EPTStork (rightfully) said that KESPA needs to listen to the players more....
Seriously guys.
Stork: "There needs to be a Players Council." - Page 19
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Stork (rightfully) said that KESPA needs to listen to the players more.... Seriously guys. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + this became a shitstorm because some guy came in and said SC2 not that bad, and ... yes it is... Boom | ||
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empty.bottle
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On May 24 2012 10:05 Release wrote: + Show Spoiler + this became a shitstorm because some guy came in and said SC2 not that bad, and ... yes it is... Boom This and because an idiot said something like "Stork has subtle motives to make the claims that he did" just not that straight. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 24 2012 04:07 Jealous wrote: I agree. But the foundation of this particular issue is SC2 vs. BW in PL. Hence my question, which was adequately answered. No its not. Had Stork only said: "if the top players and middle ranking players don't do well at BW, it is the end for them " how does that changes the message? His point is that players are not being treated well by KESPA, they do whatever they want without regards to the players. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 24 2012 10:09 empty.bottle wrote: This and because an idiot said something like "Stork has subtle motives to make the claims that he did" just not that straight. Well, to be fair(and please correct me if I am wrong) doesn't he? Hasn't it always been an issue that players that are not doing that well will struggle? My guess is that Stork only spoke about it now since an hypothetical SC2 switch endangers his good position in the current BW status Quo. I don't mean he is a bad person, nor shady, I just do think he mentioned this now because things are probably going to change. Well, I will shut up about this. I don't really like when threads devolve into "my game can beat up yours" | ||
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MCXD
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On May 24 2012 10:16 windsupernova wrote: Well, to be fair(and please correct me if I am wrong) doesn't he? Hasn't it always been an issue that players that are not doing that well will struggle? My guess is that Stork only spoke about it now since an hypothetical SC2 switch endangers his good position in the current BW status Quo. There are two things very wrong with this line of thought. 1. Stork's argument has nothing to do with having an SC2 switch. It has to do with how it's handled, and how players had absolutely no say in it. He's not saying "No to SC2," He's saying "If you're going to make a switch, at least do it in a manner that makes it easier on the players and the fans." 2. Whether or not Stork has a motive does not change the validity of his statement. Everyone always has a motive. Perhaps Stork was speaking for himself. Perhaps on behalf of some of his teammates. Perhaps a lot of them. So what? Is he factually incorrect? If not, why does it matter? It's clear from any BW fan reading interviews over the years that most players are afraid to say anything beyond PC answers. You really need a top player like Stork to raise any sort of awareness of behind the scenes stuff. | ||
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Fleuria
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Jealous
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On May 24 2012 10:28 MCXD wrote: Stork is angry at Kespa, not SC2. People really shouldn't read into things which aren't there. I agree with this. Stork is angry about the way Kespa handled SC2 'transition' not the game itself, the former of which we should all be focusing on here. | ||
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cydereal
United States193 Posts
On May 23 2012 06:57 HawaiianPig wrote: Around the time when Jaedong was getting royally screwed on his free agency, I remember thinking, "Man, they really need a players association". It's nice to see someone piping up about this. Poor stork  .100% on this. KeSPA is management, a hypothetical players union represents labor. The players need to band together and get some negotiating going on for themselves. As I say this, I of course realize I have no idea about labor laws in Korea, but some sort of association needs to occur where players can assert themselves for some minimum terms of the competition for a defined length of time. Hearing that maps are given to them a day or two early? That's ridiculous. | ||
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dragoon
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BretZ
United States1510 Posts
Boo Kespa  | ||
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kyllinghest
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bjornkavist
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Absurdly
Canada59 Posts
On May 23 2012 06:50 Ryo wrote: It might not matter to players who earn a lot of money but as a whole, if the top players and middle ranking players don't do well at SC2, it is the end for them. Just this sentence irks me a little. Like he said, it's the fans that allow esports to exist, and with the declining fan base of BW they are switching to SC2 right? So if the BW players can't compete in SC2 what exactly does he expect? Kespa to support them regardless? If the players aren't good enough, that's their own problem. | ||
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Xiphos
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Elroi
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Supreme commander fighting! | ||
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florious80
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
On May 23 2012 07:55 Belha wrote: I do not agree with all the "hail stork" around. [...] It is rumored that Stork is not that good at Sc2 (just a rumor). If that is true, then i think stork is just worried about him and other players that indeed and sadly will get out of the scene. *looks at sudden mod warning on the top of the page* That wasn't there before... Belha gets my vote for troll of the week. He turned our BW thread into an SC2 thread: Big mod warning on top and and a whole lot of rabble rabble! | ||
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