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I must interject: progamers do NOT do this for the love of the game. They get paid. In the case of Nada, Savior, and now Flash, some got paid amazingly well. Whether it was a passion that turned into a profession, or just a profitable hobby, our BW heroes played for the money. Let's not talk about love or passion. Let's be honest. Savior played BW for money, fixed games for money (after he couldn't win any more tournaments), and is now offering lessons for money. On this particular point, I have no objection.
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Yes, what he did was crappy. But sAviOr is a truly great player and a true bonjwa. No one can take how good he is/was away from him. I am happy to see this and I am sure some people will really enjoy having a SC:BW legend give them lessons, especially for this low of a price. I see higher prices from SC2 players who aren't nearly as skilled as sAviOr. And yes, even though he did a shitty thing and he may still be a shitty person, I still have respect and gratitude for sAviOr, as a player, out of true admiration for the skills he has in the game and the crazy good games and times he has shown us in the past. He was my favorite player for a long time and I thoroughly enjoyed watching his matches up until the point where he started to throw them.
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On March 30 2012 13:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right?
Yeah that's what I said. Current sponsors are all historical sponsors. Proleague is sponsored by SK Telecom. Sparkyz disbanded right after the match fixing scandal. eSTRO not long later. Then 3 more teams disbanded and merged into a new one, Team 8 that hasn't found a sponsor yet, so it's financed by KeSPA, whose board is composed of the big old sponsors representatives. We got a confirmation that a new OSL would start, I am really looking forward to hearing the name of the sponsor.
Your Maradona analogy is not relevant. Maradona did not ruin the football scene. If he did he wouldn't have been appointed as Argentina's coach.
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On March 30 2012 13:54 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I must interject: progamers do NOT do this for the love of the game. They get paid. In the case of Nada, Savior, and now Flash, some got paid amazingly well. Whether it was a passion that turned into a profession, or just a profitable hobby, our BW heroes played for the money. Let's not talk about love or passion. Let's be honest. Savior played BW for money, fixed games for money (after he couldn't win any more tournaments), and is now offering lessons for money. On this particular point, I have no objection.
Honestly, I think that sAviOr could still win tournaments. I watched him win a Blizzcon outright in '08 (I think?) and that was in the middle of his "slump" which we now know was due to throwing games. He played real for that one because there were no real betting going on for that tournament. I think he simply decided that there was more money in throwing games than actually winning tournaments, as well as their being no real risk involved in throwing matches... outside of being caught (LOL, that didn't work out so well, did it?).
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On March 30 2012 13:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right? Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 12:21 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. The match fixing happened 2 years ago and now the sponsors are abandoning scbw because of it. That some massive lag right there, can you explain that lag to me? Is it really the bad image of esports? Is SC2 included in that esport? Do they also suffer from the match fixing? I mean, it has to because savior killed esports single handedly according to you. Is it really because of people giving brood war lessons that you can't go to the LOOX studio anymore, or is it rather because of people throwing games? Oh wait, for you the action doesn't matter, it's all about the name. Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Who are you to tell people what they care about? Worlds judge again? I care about the closure of MBCGame, it fucking sucks. But I have an entire different view about punishment of people than you. I value actions way higher than names. Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong and you are right?
You got to be fucking kidding me, it's has never "lagged". Since the scandal less and less big companies wanted to sponsor a OSL/MSL/Proleague or teams. It didn't only start now. NO MONEY=NO OSL/MSL/PROLEAUGE/TEAMS=Downfall of broodwar which is practically ESPORTS in Korea itself back then. Ever wondered why NO big company sponsors a SC2 team in Korea?
PS. If you didn't know, Savior was practically the head of the Match-making group.
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Please, just play sc2 instead. Savior is my favorite player of all time, even more so than Jaedong.
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On March 30 2012 13:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right? Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 12:21 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. The match fixing happened 2 years ago and now the sponsors are abandoning scbw because of it. That some massive lag right there, can you explain that lag to me? Is it really the bad image of esports? Is SC2 included in that esport? Do they also suffer from the match fixing? I mean, it has to because savior killed esports single handedly according to you. Is it really because of people giving brood war lessons that you can't go to the LOOX studio anymore, or is it rather because of people throwing games? Oh wait, for you the action doesn't matter, it's all about the name. Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Who are you to tell people what they care about? Worlds judge again? I care about the closure of MBCGame, it fucking sucks. But I have an entire different view about punishment of people than you. I value actions way higher than names. Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong and you are right?
I'm sorry, did you support the scene long enough to get your name appeared on OGN casts that support teamliquid itself?
Did you translate enough articles to get invited to CJ Entus and sit down and talk, including but not limited to KeSPA and SC2 and little bit of Match Fixing?
Did you even read what I posted in several other threads about MBCGame and Savior?
You want proof?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317103¤tpage=4#76
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On March 30 2012 14:06 RezChi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 13:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right? On March 30 2012 12:21 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. The match fixing happened 2 years ago and now the sponsors are abandoning scbw because of it. That some massive lag right there, can you explain that lag to me? Is it really the bad image of esports? Is SC2 included in that esport? Do they also suffer from the match fixing? I mean, it has to because savior killed esports single handedly according to you. Is it really because of people giving brood war lessons that you can't go to the LOOX studio anymore, or is it rather because of people throwing games? Oh wait, for you the action doesn't matter, it's all about the name. Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Who are you to tell people what they care about? Worlds judge again? I care about the closure of MBCGame, it fucking sucks. But I have an entire different view about punishment of people than you. I value actions way higher than names. Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong and you are right? You got to be fucking kidding me, it's has never "lagged". Since the scandal less and less big companies wanted to sponsor a OSL/MSL/Proleague or teams. It didn't only start now. NO MONEY=NO OSL/MSL/PROLEAUGE/TEAMS=Downfall of broodwar which is practically ESPORTS in Korea itself back then. Ever wondered why NO big company sponsors a SC2 team in Korea? PS. If you didn't know, Savior was practically the head of the Match-making group.
I didn't say it just started now.
supernovamaniac
Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays
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On March 30 2012 14:16 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 13:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right? On March 30 2012 12:21 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. The match fixing happened 2 years ago and now the sponsors are abandoning scbw because of it. That some massive lag right there, can you explain that lag to me? Is it really the bad image of esports? Is SC2 included in that esport? Do they also suffer from the match fixing? I mean, it has to because savior killed esports single handedly according to you. Is it really because of people giving brood war lessons that you can't go to the LOOX studio anymore, or is it rather because of people throwing games? Oh wait, for you the action doesn't matter, it's all about the name. Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Who are you to tell people what they care about? Worlds judge again? I care about the closure of MBCGame, it fucking sucks. But I have an entire different view about punishment of people than you. I value actions way higher than names. Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong and you are right? I'm sorry, did you support the scene long enough to get your name appeared on OGN casts that support teamliquid itself? Did you translate enough articles to get invited to CJ Entus and sit down and talk, including but not limited to KeSPA and SC2 and little bit of Match Fixing? Did you even read what I posted in several other threads about MBCGame and Savior? You want proof? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317103¤tpage=4#76
what does that link proof?
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On March 30 2012 14:27 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 14:16 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 13:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right? On March 30 2012 12:21 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. The match fixing happened 2 years ago and now the sponsors are abandoning scbw because of it. That some massive lag right there, can you explain that lag to me? Is it really the bad image of esports? Is SC2 included in that esport? Do they also suffer from the match fixing? I mean, it has to because savior killed esports single handedly according to you. Is it really because of people giving brood war lessons that you can't go to the LOOX studio anymore, or is it rather because of people throwing games? Oh wait, for you the action doesn't matter, it's all about the name. Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Who are you to tell people what they care about? Worlds judge again? I care about the closure of MBCGame, it fucking sucks. But I have an entire different view about punishment of people than you. I value actions way higher than names. Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong and you are right? I'm sorry, did you support the scene long enough to get your name appeared on OGN casts that support teamliquid itself? Did you translate enough articles to get invited to CJ Entus and sit down and talk, including but not limited to KeSPA and SC2 and little bit of Match Fixing? Did you even read what I posted in several other threads about MBCGame and Savior? You want proof? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317103¤tpage=4#76 what does that link proof?
Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)?
Is it possible to be banned for retardation?
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Savior's paid lessons start on the 2nd of April and by today, the 29th, no one has yet applied.
Just disappear already, match fixer.
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On March 30 2012 14:29 RezChi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 14:27 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 14:16 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 13:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right? On March 30 2012 12:21 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. The match fixing happened 2 years ago and now the sponsors are abandoning scbw because of it. That some massive lag right there, can you explain that lag to me? Is it really the bad image of esports? Is SC2 included in that esport? Do they also suffer from the match fixing? I mean, it has to because savior killed esports single handedly according to you. Is it really because of people giving brood war lessons that you can't go to the LOOX studio anymore, or is it rather because of people throwing games? Oh wait, for you the action doesn't matter, it's all about the name. Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Who are you to tell people what they care about? Worlds judge again? I care about the closure of MBCGame, it fucking sucks. But I have an entire different view about punishment of people than you. I value actions way higher than names. Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong and you are right? I'm sorry, did you support the scene long enough to get your name appeared on OGN casts that support teamliquid itself? Did you translate enough articles to get invited to CJ Entus and sit down and talk, including but not limited to KeSPA and SC2 and little bit of Match Fixing? Did you even read what I posted in several other threads about MBCGame and Savior? You want proof? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317103¤tpage=4#76 what does that link proof? Show nested quote +Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Is it possible to be banned for retardation?
I can't find that in the link.
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If you guys actually think that Savior is the sole reason why BW has slowly been dwindling, then you are delusional and are grasping at straws trying to find a scapegoat.
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He obviously has a serious passion for the game if he still trying to get involved in any way he can. This match fixing was almost two years ago. Look at Tiger Woods he cheated (on his wife) and now people don't really talk about it that much. Okay... I just wanted to make a Tiger woods joke. On a serious note I welcome it he loves the game let him do his thing.
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Cheating on your wife has fuck all to do with match fixing scandals within your own competitive sport industry. Tiger Woods only made his own personal life look bad, while Savior put the whole BW esport industry under negative scrutiny. What he did almost damaged other people's livelihood completely. Who would watch esport if they knew that many matches are rigged?
Savior fanboys are ridiculous.
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A scam is a scam. This is why crime is penalized, and why we do not allow murderers run amok like they did nothing.
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On March 30 2012 14:37 koreasilver wrote:
If you guys actually think that Savior is the sole reason why BW has slowly been dwindling, then you are delusional and are grasping at straws trying to find a scapegoat.
I don't think anyone said he is the sole reason why BW is dwindling, but it cannot simply be overlooked either. It is just but one variable when it came to finding new sponsorship opportunities and when we consider the timeline. We would be foolish to dismiss it.
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On March 30 2012 14:37 koreasilver wrote:
If you guys actually think that Savior is the sole reason why BW has slowly been dwindling, then you are delusional and are grasping at straws trying to find a scapegoat.
He isn't the only reason for the decline that BW has seen, but he's one of the biggest reasons. Many people when they get interviewed often reference savior and the match-fixing scandal when asked about why BW is getting smaller.
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On March 30 2012 13:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right? Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 12:21 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it. He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. The match fixing happened 2 years ago and now the sponsors are abandoning scbw because of it. That some massive lag right there, can you explain that lag to me? Is it really the bad image of esports? Is SC2 included in that esport? Do they also suffer from the match fixing? I mean, it has to because savior killed esports single handedly according to you. Is it really because of people giving brood war lessons that you can't go to the LOOX studio anymore, or is it rather because of people throwing games? Oh wait, for you the action doesn't matter, it's all about the name. Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Who are you to tell people what they care about? Worlds judge again? I care about the closure of MBCGame, it fucking sucks. But I have an entire different view about punishment of people than you. I value actions way higher than names. Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong and you are right?
You should take note to read up and give thoughts to posts made by people who are evidently more well-informed than you.
Look at our recent sponsors for our Leagues:
SK Planet is obviously affiliated with SK Telecom.
Jin Air and Korean Air with CJ.
That left what? ABC Mart? Not to mention that Shinhan Bank terminated their sponsorship after the 10/11 Season despite having sponsored the SPL for several years running.
You clearly havn't been reading up, and should refrain from these confrontational/condescending tone, especially towards more well-informed people (supernovamaniac is a very good example of one).
Edit: Lol most people who defend Savior are the SC2 guys (like dude below, >95% posts on SC2 section). Interesting trend.
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Savior destroyed the game? Oh wait...thats just the blind hate posts.
How about you remember how much this guy contributed to the pro scene in the first place? This game would have been a hell of a lot worse if Saviors star didnt shine. Do you even realise what an impact he had on the whole scene with his sole appearance? I would say fuck all based on reading most of your posts. He made the scene better and increased the scenes life with some extra years. He made a mistake and destroyed his pro career. Thats all there is. Dont give me that crap that he killed all of the sponsors interest and completely ruined the scene of a game which is naturally going towards its end after so many years. Even if this incident never occurred this game would still be close to its end. And if Savior never appeared in the scene this game would have probably been dead already.
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