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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote: He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it. Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. | ||
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empty.bottle
685 Posts
On March 29 2012 23:01 storywriter wrote: Match Fixing Savior starts paid lessons Ex-progamer Savior who was permanently banned for participating in match fixing is starting Starcraft lessons. Savior who participated in match fixing in Starcraft was banned permanently by the Korean-eSports association on the 7th of June 2010 and was sentenced to 1 year imprisonment, 2 years probation on the 22nd of October 2010. His probation ends on the 22nd of June this year. Savior, banned from progaming, started an internet stream in March last year and even obtained a personal sponsor in November. Since then, as criticisms began to surface on his Afreeca page and in the chat, starting January this year, only those who pay a fee to join his fanclub are allowed to post on the forum. If that's not enough information about Savior and the Match fixing scandal, i don't know how many is. I dont blame the OP, he just translated the original arcticle, I just found the title too harsh, but w/e i guess that's my personal opinion. | ||
CountChocula
Canada2068 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote: Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please. /Ugh. You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:50 zulu_nation8 wrote: It's sad that he seems to have no other way of making a living other than from starcraft. If so then I don't get why he doesn't just start practicing sc2. he cant even play in sc2 tourneys (kespa and gom banned him from everything). well that is in korea.....but foreign scene??? | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:02 Golgotha wrote: he cant even play in sc2 tourneys (kespa and gom banned him from everything). well that is in korea.....but foreign scene??? Not even foregin scene since the taint from the match-fixing scandal would follow him. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:04 amazingxkcd wrote: Not even foregin scene since the taint from the match-fixing scandal would follow him. most definitely it will follow him but at least he has a chance, whereas in korea he is actually banned banned. | ||
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Infinite Lurker
United States24 Posts
Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings. I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did. | ||
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Yes..he's doing something beneficial to the community by giving lessons..and charging for them...for a new generation of sc1 progamers...that have no place to play because of a scandal...that he was obviously not a part of... </sarcasm> If he wanted to "breed" a new generation of progamers he'd wouldn't be charging for lessons...he wouldn't be blacklisting anybody for sharing the vods..he wouldn't make you pay to join his fanclub or pay to follow him...and most importantly he wouldn't have done what he did with the scandal. On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Oh, the irony just can't get any better. | ||
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Sum41
Chile345 Posts
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:08 Infinite Lurker wrote: I think people are overreacting when they say they literally hate Savior, and seem to imply that he's a terrible person. Sure, he's greedy, and he drew in players like Upmagic who i think would've ended up as incredible players. Seriously, though, match fixing isn't nearly the worst thing that a progamer can do; Savior never cheated or physically harmed another person. It's true that he betrayed his fans, but he was punished for it. He was taken out of games, sent to the B team, humiliated, and convicted. Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings. I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did. He also shattered, stomped, and pissed on the hopes and dreams of millions of nerds and almost singlehandedly destroyed BW eSports forever. Some bloodstains don't wash off no matter how hard you scrub. | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:08 Infinite Lurker wrote: I think people are overreacting when they say they literally hate Savior, and seem to imply that he's a terrible person. Sure, he's greedy, and he drew in players like Upmagic who i think would've ended up as incredible players. Seriously, though, match fixing isn't nearly the worst thing that a progamer can do; Savior never cheated or physically harmed another person. It's true that he betrayed his fans, but he was punished for it. He was taken out of games, sent to the B team, humiliated, and convicted. Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings. I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did. This made me smile.  | ||
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Selkie
United States530 Posts
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:28 Selkie wrote: I don't understand these people that say "he shouldn't try to make money off of sc anymore". That makes no sense. The guy has a passion for the game, it's what he wants to do now and forever, why force him to get a job somewhere else when he can live from his passion? I think you are mistaking 'Passion' for 'Exploitation' | ||
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Infinite Lurker
United States24 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:25 Fyrewolf wrote: He also shattered, stomped, and pissed on the hopes and dreams of millions of nerds and almost singlehandedly destroyed BW eSports forever. Some bloodstains don't wash off no matter how hard you scrub. Savior didn't destroy Brood War. Blizzard and Gretech destroyed Brood war. | ||
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Sluggy
United States128 Posts
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:40 Infinite Lurker wrote: Savior didn't destroy Brood War. Blizzard and Gretech destroyed Brood war. Yeah, he just almost destroyed the BW scene reputation. That lawsuit, on the other hand, was the nail to the coffin. I still damn Blizz til this day! | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:40 Infinite Lurker wrote: Savior didn't destroy Brood War. Blizzard and Gretech destroyed Brood war. This is incredibly misinformed and incorrect | ||
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