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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
March 30 2012 01:11 GMT
#281
On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it.


He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it.

Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please.

/Ugh.
ppp
empty.bottle
Profile Joined July 2009
685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 01:17:31
March 30 2012 01:11 GMT
#282
On March 29 2012 23:01 storywriter wrote:
Match Fixing Savior starts paid lessons


Ex-progamer Savior who was permanently banned for participating in match fixing is starting Starcraft lessons.

Savior who participated in match fixing in Starcraft was banned permanently by the Korean-eSports association on the 7th of June 2010 and was sentenced to 1 year imprisonment, 2 years probation on the 22nd of October 2010. His probation ends on the 22nd of June this year.

Savior, banned from progaming, started an internet stream in March last year and even obtained a personal sponsor in November. Since then, as criticisms began to surface on his Afreeca page and in the chat, starting January this year, only those who pay a fee to join his fanclub are allowed to post on the forum.



If that's not enough information about Savior and the Match fixing scandal, i don't know how many is.

I dont blame the OP, he just translated the original arcticle, I just found the title too harsh, but w/e i guess that's my personal opinion.
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 01:41:50
March 30 2012 01:37 GMT
#283
Brb, off to buy Rosetta Stone Korean and some lessons from Ma Bonjwa himself.
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 01:37:49
March 30 2012 01:37 GMT
#284
--- Nuked ---
WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
March 30 2012 01:45 GMT
#285
On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:
On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it.


He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it.

Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please.

/Ugh.


You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge?

Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background?

Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers.
small dicks have great firepower
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 30 2012 01:50 GMT
#286
It's sad that he seems to have no other way of making a living other than from starcraft. If so then I don't get why he doesn't just start practicing sc2.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 30 2012 02:02 GMT
#287
On March 30 2012 10:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It's sad that he seems to have no other way of making a living other than from starcraft. If so then I don't get why he doesn't just start practicing sc2.


he cant even play in sc2 tourneys (kespa and gom banned him from everything). well that is in korea.....but foreign scene???
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
March 30 2012 02:04 GMT
#288
On March 30 2012 11:02 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 10:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It's sad that he seems to have no other way of making a living other than from starcraft. If so then I don't get why he doesn't just start practicing sc2.


he cant even play in sc2 tourneys (kespa and gom banned him from everything). well that is in korea.....but foreign scene???

Not even foregin scene since the taint from the match-fixing scandal would follow him.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 30 2012 02:07 GMT
#289
On March 30 2012 11:04 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 11:02 Golgotha wrote:
On March 30 2012 10:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
It's sad that he seems to have no other way of making a living other than from starcraft. If so then I don't get why he doesn't just start practicing sc2.


he cant even play in sc2 tourneys (kespa and gom banned him from everything). well that is in korea.....but foreign scene???

Not even foregin scene since the taint from the match-fixing scandal would follow him.


most definitely it will follow him but at least he has a chance, whereas in korea he is actually banned banned.
Infinite Lurker
Profile Joined January 2011
United States24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 02:08:39
March 30 2012 02:08 GMT
#290
I think people are overreacting when they say they literally hate Savior, and seem to imply that he's a terrible person. Sure, he's greedy, and he drew in players like Upmagic who i think would've ended up as incredible players. Seriously, though, match fixing isn't nearly the worst thing that a progamer can do; Savior never cheated or physically harmed another person. It's true that he betrayed his fans, but he was punished for it. He was taken out of games, sent to the B team, humiliated, and convicted.

Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings.

I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did.
"When Song's archon is EMP'd, it becomes essentially retarded"
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
March 30 2012 02:08 GMT
#291
IMO any news on savior should be posted and then locked for discussion because there will be bickering in the sc1 forum no matter what the news is.
On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 10:11 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 30 2012 10:09 scDeluX wrote:
On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it.


He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it.

Then take off the MBCGame thing off from your signature please.

/Ugh.



Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers.

Yes..he's doing something beneficial to the community by giving lessons..and charging for them...for a new generation of sc1 progamers...that have no place to play because of a scandal...that he was obviously not a part of...
</sarcasm>
If he wanted to "breed" a new generation of progamers he'd wouldn't be charging for lessons...he wouldn't be blacklisting anybody for sharing the vods..he wouldn't make you pay to join his fanclub or pay to follow him...and most importantly he wouldn't have done what he did with the scandal.
On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge?

Oh, the irony just can't get any better.
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 02:22:14
March 30 2012 02:21 GMT
#292
The Maestro!!!!! good luck Savior. even knowing he match fixed i can't hate this guy. it's just my favorite player
Hydralisk so fasts and dangerous :D
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
March 30 2012 02:25 GMT
#293
On March 30 2012 11:08 Infinite Lurker wrote:
I think people are overreacting when they say they literally hate Savior, and seem to imply that he's a terrible person. Sure, he's greedy, and he drew in players like Upmagic who i think would've ended up as incredible players. Seriously, though, match fixing isn't nearly the worst thing that a progamer can do; Savior never cheated or physically harmed another person. It's true that he betrayed his fans, but he was punished for it. He was taken out of games, sent to the B team, humiliated, and convicted.

Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings.

I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did.


He also shattered, stomped, and pissed on the hopes and dreams of millions of nerds and almost singlehandedly destroyed BW eSports forever.

Some bloodstains don't wash off no matter how hard you scrub.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 30 2012 02:26 GMT
#294
On March 30 2012 11:08 Infinite Lurker wrote:
I think people are overreacting when they say they literally hate Savior, and seem to imply that he's a terrible person. Sure, he's greedy, and he drew in players like Upmagic who i think would've ended up as incredible players. Seriously, though, match fixing isn't nearly the worst thing that a progamer can do; Savior never cheated or physically harmed another person. It's true that he betrayed his fans, but he was punished for it. He was taken out of games, sent to the B team, humiliated, and convicted.

Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings.

I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did.


This made me smile.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Selkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States530 Posts
March 30 2012 02:28 GMT
#295
I don't understand these people that say "he shouldn't try to make money off of sc anymore". That makes no sense. The guy has a passion for the game, it's what he wants to do now and forever, why force him to get a job somewhere else when he can live from his passion?
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 30 2012 02:33 GMT
#296
On March 30 2012 11:28 Selkie wrote:
I don't understand these people that say "he shouldn't try to make money off of sc anymore". That makes no sense. The guy has a passion for the game, it's what he wants to do now and forever, why force him to get a job somewhere else when he can live from his passion?


I think you are mistaking 'Passion' for 'Exploitation'
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Infinite Lurker
Profile Joined January 2011
United States24 Posts
March 30 2012 02:40 GMT
#297
On March 30 2012 11:25 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 11:08 Infinite Lurker wrote:
I think people are overreacting when they say they literally hate Savior, and seem to imply that he's a terrible person. Sure, he's greedy, and he drew in players like Upmagic who i think would've ended up as incredible players. Seriously, though, match fixing isn't nearly the worst thing that a progamer can do; Savior never cheated or physically harmed another person. It's true that he betrayed his fans, but he was punished for it. He was taken out of games, sent to the B team, humiliated, and convicted.

Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings.

I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did.


He also shattered, stomped, and pissed on the hopes and dreams of millions of nerds and almost singlehandedly destroyed BW eSports forever.

Some bloodstains don't wash off no matter how hard you scrub.


Savior didn't destroy Brood War. Blizzard and Gretech destroyed Brood war.
"When Song's archon is EMP'd, it becomes essentially retarded"
Sluggy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 02:45:51
March 30 2012 02:45 GMT
#298
Good for him. If brood war makes him happy and people want to pay him to share knowledge that he gained by working his ass off, then he deserves it regardless of past mistakes.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 30 2012 02:45 GMT
#299
On March 30 2012 11:40 Infinite Lurker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 11:25 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 30 2012 11:08 Infinite Lurker wrote:
I think people are overreacting when they say they literally hate Savior, and seem to imply that he's a terrible person. Sure, he's greedy, and he drew in players like Upmagic who i think would've ended up as incredible players. Seriously, though, match fixing isn't nearly the worst thing that a progamer can do; Savior never cheated or physically harmed another person. It's true that he betrayed his fans, but he was punished for it. He was taken out of games, sent to the B team, humiliated, and convicted.

Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings.

I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did.


He also shattered, stomped, and pissed on the hopes and dreams of millions of nerds and almost singlehandedly destroyed BW eSports forever.

Some bloodstains don't wash off no matter how hard you scrub.


Savior didn't destroy Brood War. Blizzard and Gretech destroyed Brood war.


Yeah, he just almost destroyed the BW scene reputation. That lawsuit, on the other hand, was the nail to the coffin. I still damn Blizz til this day!
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
March 30 2012 02:52 GMT
#300
On March 30 2012 11:40 Infinite Lurker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 11:25 Fyrewolf wrote:
On March 30 2012 11:08 Infinite Lurker wrote:
I think people are overreacting when they say they literally hate Savior, and seem to imply that he's a terrible person. Sure, he's greedy, and he drew in players like Upmagic who i think would've ended up as incredible players. Seriously, though, match fixing isn't nearly the worst thing that a progamer can do; Savior never cheated or physically harmed another person. It's true that he betrayed his fans, but he was punished for it. He was taken out of games, sent to the B team, humiliated, and convicted.

Savior was the one who showed zergs how to apply one's race's advantages in order to exploit certain aspects of the tournament map pools, something that Terrans had been doing for awhile. If it weren't for Savior, perhaps Bisu wouldn't have needed to adapt a new style to deal with Zerg, and Protoss players would still be doing their terrible one base zealot timings.

I know I sound like I'm trying to justify Savior's mistakes, but I truly believe that he contributed a great deal to the game, and to take the one thing that he truly spent the effort to master, SC:BW, is a punishment far beyond what he did.


He also shattered, stomped, and pissed on the hopes and dreams of millions of nerds and almost singlehandedly destroyed BW eSports forever.

Some bloodstains don't wash off no matter how hard you scrub.


Savior didn't destroy Brood War. Blizzard and Gretech destroyed Brood war.


This is incredibly misinformed and incorrect
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