On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote: Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!
Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services
on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.
That's not the question. The question is whether or not it is ethical for him to do this, his ability to play/coach is not.
And I'm sure that there are many many child molesters (cough Sandusky, cough) who are more than capable of earning the trust of those around them by showing that they can be around children.
On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote: Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!
Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services
on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.
To me, it's an issue of principle, so even if it were Flash coaching BW for $25/hr, my answer would be a resounding NO if he had played an integral role in the match fixing scandal and barely showed any sign of repentance afterwards.
That's quite the tarnished reputation discount Savior is giving. If you can speak Korean and you don't really have any moral objections to the whole issue, getting lessons from the most dominant Zerg player ever at such a low low price is a steal.
I wonder if it weren't for streaming or now coaching lessons, how does Savior support himself? His reputation is tarnished, and I doubt many companies are willing to hire him.
On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote: Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!
Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services
on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.
That's not the question. The question is whether or not it is ethical for him to do this, his ability to play/coach is not.
And I'm sure that there are many many child molesters (cough Sandusky, cough) who are more than capable of earning the trust of those around them by showing that they can be around children.
Well, after the man got exposed to the general public, I bet that nobody would be dumb enough to permit him babysitting am I right? He earned the trust because the victims didn't know what is he capable of.
On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote: Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!
Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services
on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.
To me, it's an issue of principle, so even if it were Flash coaching BW for $25/hr, my answer would be a resounding NO if he had played an integral role in the match fixing scandal and barely showed any sign of repentance afterwards.
I am just saying that it is not up to us in deciding what he can and what he cannot do. It is his life. If people are willing to pay for the tuition, we have no right to judge them.
On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote: Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!
Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services
on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.
To me, it's an issue of principle, so even if it were Flash coaching BW for $25/hr, my answer would be a resounding NO if he had played an integral role in the match fixing scandal and barely showed any sign of repentance afterwards.
I am just saying that it is not up to us in deciding what he can and what he cannot do. It is his life. If people are willing to pay for the tuition, we have no right to judge them.
I see your point, and I do not judge those who pay the fees. MATCH-FIXING-savior, on the other hand, I reserve the right to judge him for all of eternity for what he did. It's his life, but the way he lives disgusts me and I believe sets a bad precedent for young BW fans.
On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote: Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!
Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services
on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.
To me, it's an issue of principle, so even if it were Flash coaching BW for $25/hr, my answer would be a resounding NO if he had played an integral role in the match fixing scandal and barely showed any sign of repentance afterwards.
What law can you get him on though? He did the crime and he's doing the time. This shouldn't be relevant. If you hate him then don't buy his lessons
On March 30 2012 08:35 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: savor giving scbw lessons is like a hacker giving security advice, man thats so baaad. /irony
Hackers are routinely contracted by internet and software security companies, and internet and software companies in general, to test out their security and help patch loopholes.
Also, if the man wants to do some one versus one in order to pass along his skill, why shouldn't he? Savior was a ZvP genius back in the day, and it would be a shame to stop him from teaching other players that magic.
People need to kick someone when they're already down.... Its a shame. What savior did was bad, but he was a kid.. we shouldn't have such a zero tolerance policy and completely destroy a persons life, wasn't him being kicked out of BW competition and SC2 competitions enough?
On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote: Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!
Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services
on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.
To me, it's an issue of principle, so even if it were Flash coaching BW for $25/hr, my answer would be a resounding NO if he had played an integral role in the match fixing scandal and barely showed any sign of repentance afterwards.
I am just saying that it is not up to us in deciding what he can and what he cannot do. It is his life. If people are willing to pay for the tuition, we have no right to judge them.
I see your point, and I do not judge those who pay the fees. MATCH-FIXING-savior, on the other hand, I reserve the right to judge him for all of eternity for what he did. It's his life, but the way he lives disgusts me and I believe sets a bad precedent for young BW fans.
I agree, but unlike you, I DO judge those who pay him fees. Anyone willing to pay for lessons from this devil has absolutely no respect for Starcraft, Brood War, Competition, or eSports.
Well IdrA one said if he could ever be coached by anyone it'd be sAviOr. One cannot argue the value of sAviOr's BW knowledge... but this is a effing joke. Damn you sAviOr TT_TT
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