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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
April 03 2012 08:19 GMT
#541
Kkk, i think that's very nice. I guess it helps to sustain interest for BroodWar for longer. Too bad he doesn't actually stream himself nowadays.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
kade
Profile Joined March 2011
94 Posts
April 03 2012 17:36 GMT
#542
On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.

Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label succinctly captures the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!

As a thread title, Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services

On topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at MATCH-FIXING-savior for an hour and a half


are you honestly comparing match fixing to child molestation? jesus
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
April 03 2012 18:28 GMT
#543
I'm trying to understand how people can be so upset over this but I'm really having difficulties with it. Acting like he single handedly took down the BW scene is an emotional overreaction.

He did his time. His reputation has been destroyed forever. If people still like him and/or have forgiven him and want to pay for his lessons, so be it.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 20:07:03
April 03 2012 20:06 GMT
#544
On April 02 2012 02:37 N.geNuity wrote:
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On April 01 2012 20:24 Incognoto wrote:
Like, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending their actions at all. Match fixing is appalling. But I think if murderers, rapists, thieves and traders are allowed to have a second chance, then there is NO reason we can't give a second chance to someone who's done match fixing. They already have a shit reputation, at least give them a chance to fix that.


I wouldn't want murderers to become security guards with guns, I wouldn't want people who run ponzi schemes or do financial crimes to go back into the high end financial sector like banking or something, and I don't really want people who fixed matches in bw to try to extort fans by making them pay money to join a fanclub to get lessons (if I understood correctly, his fanclub is pay to get in).

Streaming bw is different and making money off of afreeca stream. He's playing the game and you can enjoy someone good at the game; you learn by watching. But trying to get people to join a fanclub for specialised lessons is just trying to milk some money.


He's not trying to make anyone join it though. If you don't want to join it, you're free to ignore it. If you want to support him, you can continue to. There's a huge difference between your examples and Savior's situation.

It's his life. He should be able to do anything he wants with it. He's been banned from tournaments for life. That doesn't mean he shouldn't still play the game. And if he wants to offer lessons to people, then that's his choice too. The organization shouldn't have any say in that.
There is no one like you in the universe.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 22:33:25
April 03 2012 21:03 GMT
#545
hey here's a common misconception in this thread: savior didn't do jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in prison but with 2 years 집행유예 (=parole? I think) so no he didn't go to jail, and he will most likely end up not going as long as he doesn't break another law. He was sentenced on October 22nd 2010, so his parole is still in effect today. He (officially) started streaming for money early June 2011, not 8 months after his final sentencing in court.

also,
On April 02 2012 02:29 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 10:16 rotinegg wrote:
On April 01 2012 10:13 Xiphos wrote:
On April 01 2012 10:08 rotinegg wrote:
I agree, and I think the fans quieted down after a bit, but other factors were at play so BW ran its natural course on a slow but steady decline. Honestly I believe how the fans reacted has very little to do with BW's gradual fall, and certainly much less than just the general loss of interest in the scene that had been building for years. We only get riled up about this stuff when savior makes announcements like "IMA STREAM BW, GIMME MONEYZ" or "IMA TEACH BW, GIMME MONEYZ" not two years after the scandal happened, when it's part of our culture to repent and self-reflect when you've made a mistake. savior did none of that, and that's the beef I have with him. I would be way more accepting of players like hwasin or luxury teaching BW for $25/hr.



Say what?

broke down in tears in front of his head coach when the police contacted CJ Entus regarding the scandal, saying "BELIEVE ME COACH I DIDNT DO IT TT_TT", coach cho believes him and defends him til the end and tries to save his ass online until it was too late, after which coach cho retires out of guilt (this is a team coach cho built from nothing, when they had no sponsor and he had to break his bank to feed the players, mind you), savior then runs away and goes into hiding while his peers post apology letters and retire on their own accord, only posts an apology letter when his fate is pretty much sealed in court, then starts streaming only months after the incident, opens up a fanclub where you can only post if you pay a signup fee knowing he still has fans that will pay for anything, then this shit. Not a word of remorse outside of that half-hearted apology letter he probably didn't even write. Then this shit.

Fox news != news. Stop hiding behind rumors just because you need to hate something.

I don't hide behind rumors, I bring them to the limelight and bust down your front door with them. Plus only a tiny bit of what I wrote is rumor (the bit where savior had a talk with Coach Cho and broke down in tears asking for his trust), and even then no effort was made by Coach Cho nor any of the teammates to dispute this widespread rumor. Here are some references for what I wrote:

Amidst rumors of savior's involvement in illegal betting and match fixing, he goes into stealth mode claiming knee injury and cuts off contact with the world (March 2010)

Official articles on match fixing speculation finally surface on Fomos and everybody knows it's savior (April 2010)

Coach Cho defends savior from netizens, saying he will crack down on those spreading rumors with slander charges, and that savior is at home getting treated for his knee with no plans of retirement (April 2010)

Others post apology letters while savior (who still is in stealth mode) gets booted from CJ(May 2010)

Charges drawn up and prosecution formally begins (May 2010)

savior summoned to court, denies brokering while admitting match fixing, still calls himself 'progamer' while the other match fixers have voluntarily retired and refer to themselves as 'unemployed' (June 2010)

Savior finally posts an apology letter (Late July, 2010)

Coach Cho resigns August 2010

savior gets sentenced to jail with Justin, while others are let off with a fine (October 2010)

savior starts streaming for money (June 2011 officially, while it is speculated he started as early as March 2011) and says he will quit (August 2011) but then starts streaming again (November 2011)
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Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 03 2012 21:07 GMT
#546
On April 02 2012 11:43 JooliaGillard wrote:
I have always wondered if he threw that all-star series vs flash


That wasn't "thrown" any more than any all-star match is.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
April 03 2012 21:15 GMT
#547
I really agree with most people but the FACT (and i want to bold it) is that his style is still studied to exhaustion even today, so if they do study him as the most complex and game changing zerg why not just pay him ....
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