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yo this 25/1.5hour is so good man... especially from savior
for us anyway, prbly alot more value in korea
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Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
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On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
I have to agree. "Savior starts paid lessons", and that's it. Seriously.
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On March 30 2012 01:35 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 01:33 cLicK wrote:On March 30 2012 01:20 TheToast wrote:On March 30 2012 01:05 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I don't think his intention to make money is wrong because that is one of the reasons most people coach in the first place. Savior isn't really taking advantage of anyone. Its people's money and they can do what they want with it. If people are willing to offer money and are interested in being coached then why not. I personally think this is a better way than living off donations from his fans since hes actually being paid in exchange for something. Don't think anyone really has a legit reason to hate on what hes doing. Yeah, I agree with this. Savior has been playing BW since his teens right? Outside of pro-gaming what is he actually qualified to do, does he have any type of education at all? The guy has got to be able to support himself somehow, and what he is offering is something of relatively high value. I don't think this situation hurts anyone or does any more damage to BW/esports. So honestly, I say let the guy be. It doesen't. And I don't really care what Savior does now. But what gives him the right to use BW to make money. The excuse "this is all I know what to do" is disgusting. What about guys like go.go that can barely take care of themselves (Oldboy) How is that fair to them, the people he dragged into this mess. They have 0 skills as well. He's just lucky he had such a successful career or this wouldn't even work. He should just do his military service, people will forget about him, and he should just go to school and make a proper future for himself. Clinging on to BW after what he's done just b/c "its all I know" is crazy. Nothing wrong with streaming, but Im getting the impression he's actually using his BW fame and career to sustain himself completely. To be quite honest, if he comes back from the military and becomes a successful businessmen, it will be the better future for everyone: For savior himself for obvious reasons, and for eSports because it shows to the society that even the "spoiled kids" can become successful in life.
Easier said than done especially with a criminal record. You're acting like you can just get a job without education and even with education it's not certain you'll be successful. Not defending the guy because honestly I don't really care but you oversimplify things too much.
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Hm, Savior... In my world (which is much cooler than this one, by the way) there was no such thing as the match-fixing scandal, and Savior would be a respected legend of the past that no longer achieves the same success as he did before. MBCgame wouldn't have shut down, OSL nor PL nor anybody else (including teams) would have problems finding sponsors (i'm not saying all the negative things happening recently in the BW scene has been entirely due to Savior and the scandal).
Oz would still be alive and well, too, for the record. As for the issue at hand here, i'm a little torn, after reading all the responses. On one hand, I don't see anything wrong with him making a living, but on the other hand I find it pathetic that he's trying to squeeze money out of his fans like this. Blah. The whole situation is depressing.
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Thats so incredibly cheap. Wow. I'd definitely try it if I were korean, just for shits and giggles.
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I don't think crimes like that should be punished with imprisonment, but rather with fines.
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On March 30 2012 07:01 SaWse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 01:35 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 30 2012 01:33 cLicK wrote:On March 30 2012 01:20 TheToast wrote:On March 30 2012 01:05 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I don't think his intention to make money is wrong because that is one of the reasons most people coach in the first place. Savior isn't really taking advantage of anyone. Its people's money and they can do what they want with it. If people are willing to offer money and are interested in being coached then why not. I personally think this is a better way than living off donations from his fans since hes actually being paid in exchange for something. Don't think anyone really has a legit reason to hate on what hes doing. Yeah, I agree with this. Savior has been playing BW since his teens right? Outside of pro-gaming what is he actually qualified to do, does he have any type of education at all? The guy has got to be able to support himself somehow, and what he is offering is something of relatively high value. I don't think this situation hurts anyone or does any more damage to BW/esports. So honestly, I say let the guy be. It doesen't. And I don't really care what Savior does now. But what gives him the right to use BW to make money. The excuse "this is all I know what to do" is disgusting. What about guys like go.go that can barely take care of themselves (Oldboy) How is that fair to them, the people he dragged into this mess. They have 0 skills as well. He's just lucky he had such a successful career or this wouldn't even work. He should just do his military service, people will forget about him, and he should just go to school and make a proper future for himself. Clinging on to BW after what he's done just b/c "its all I know" is crazy. Nothing wrong with streaming, but Im getting the impression he's actually using his BW fame and career to sustain himself completely. To be quite honest, if he comes back from the military and becomes a successful businessmen, it will be the better future for everyone: For savior himself for obvious reasons, and for eSports because it shows to the society that even the "spoiled kids" can become successful in life. Easier said than done especially with a criminal record. You're acting like you can just get a job without education and even with education it's not certain you'll be successful. Not defending the guy because honestly I don't really care but you oversimplify things too much.
I've stated that in the most optimistic way possible, because if I post my actual views on how he will turn out to be in the future even with education at this point, a lot of people (or match fixer lovers) will hunt me down.
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Practically kill proleague for money then turn around and profit off it even more? I'm beyond disgusted
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On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.
Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label succinctly captures the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!
As a thread title, Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services
On topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at MATCH-FIXING-savior for an hour and a half
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I don't even want to think about this. Mixed feelings honestly, not going to lie.
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On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue. Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label succinctly captures the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!! As a thread title, Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services On topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Oh my god Savior is a pedophile. =o
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Why is he doing this? He's still in his early twenties and has plenty of money to get an education and to start a different career. Why try making money from the one place where literally everyone hates you? If I were in his position I'd have left the country already, gone to the US or Europe where nobody knows you.
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On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue. Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!! Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half
Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
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I agree that he shouldn't earn money from any SC related stuff, but there's nothing I can do about it other than to wait and see, so I'll just look on the bright side. He might produce good amateurs! The amount of new players per year is constantly decreasing so these ex pros tutoring others might help in keeping BW alive  .
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On March 30 2012 07:30 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue. Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!! Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.
I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that MATCH-FIXING-savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
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On March 30 2012 07:32 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 07:30 Xiphos wrote:On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue. Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!! Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure. I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
If we are talking raw babysitting ability a child molester should be very good at dealing with kids.
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I think he has paid enough for his crime.
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On March 30 2012 07:32 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 07:30 Xiphos wrote:On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue. Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!! Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure. I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
Not sure if you're joking but savior giving lessons is completely legal and harmless. Really, what's the problem here?
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On March 30 2012 07:32 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 07:30 Xiphos wrote:On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue. Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!! Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure. I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.
But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.
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