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Shadow_Dog

Canada427 Posts

March 29 2012 23:53 GMT

#261

Wow guys, he's just doing some coaching, chill out.

Kiett

United States7639 Posts

March 29 2012 23:54 GMT

#262

On March 30 2012 08:42 VPCursed wrote:
People need to kick someone when they're already down.... Its a shame. What savior did was bad, but he was a kid.. we shouldn't have such a zero tolerance policy and completely destroy a persons life, wasn't him being kicked out of BW competition and SC2 competitions enough?

23 year olds are still kids? Sweet. I guess that means I still have 4 years left on my get out of jail free card :D

figq

12519 Posts

March 30 2012 00:03 GMT

#263

On March 30 2012 08:16 ChoiSulli wrote:
In Harry Potter terms this would be like getting magic lessons from the dark lord himself! xD

Except Savior's RTS skills are neutral, while evil wizards use evil kinds of magic.

One thing I wonder about, there seem to be so many people who want lessons... but the skill level of Savior is so high that most people probably could very well get what they need from someone else; while Savior's prime services would be truly fully useful only to exceptionally high level players / progamers.

Eg: If I were Jaedong or Soulkey, then I think I should be more interested in Savior's wisdom, than if I were D/C/B etc. Anyway, that raises the question why teaching BW isn't more popular in the community, if there are so many interested in getting paid lessons.

WhuazGoodJaggah

Lesotho777 Posts

March 30 2012 00:07 GMT

#264

On March 30 2012 08:54 Kiett wrote:

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23 year olds are still kids? Sweet. I guess that means I still have 4 years left on my get out of jail free card :D

I wouldn't call him a kid, but most of the youth benefit stuff is until 25in my country (bank account, train tickets, ...), so I'd definitely give him some young and stupid bonus, especially as he was in a quite closed environment where you don't grow a lot of responsibility (provided home and food).

docvoc

United States5491 Posts

March 30 2012 00:07 GMT

#265

Man, when i just got into starcraft II, I then learned of the old SC1 days. I read all about saviour and was so impressed, he was just, he was Ma-bonjwa. He was so damn good, he made me truly question the limits that we put on SCII and how far i believe it can go, just looking at the innovation he had, the strategy, the pure perfection that his game embodied. This however? I understand he has to make a living, but it has come out that he, not only cheated for more money, but was also according OpticalShot was part of the downturn of the MSL. Truly an ironic name, Savior the man who saved zerg and then killed the MSL and lots of dreams of B teamers with his scandal. I just don't know what to think, He is probably my biggest idol when it comes to playing strategically sound (i play protoss in SCII so ofc i love all them protoss players). It comes down to one of two things, 1. he is too lazy to go back to school or isn't the brightest and is just cunning and therefore can't make a living at anything else, or 2. he knows there are still hardcore fans he can milk before his final goodbye, i can't tell which

WhuazGoodJaggah

Lesotho777 Posts

March 30 2012 00:09 GMT

#266

On March 30 2012 08:16 ChoiSulli wrote:
In Harry Potter terms this would be like getting magic lessons from the dark lord himself! xD

no that would be like savior giving lessons in match fixing.

whatusername

Canada1181 Posts

March 30 2012 00:11 GMT

#267

I was fine with sAviOr streaming and I thought that was cool, but this is a bit low LOL

RowdierBob

Australia13293 Posts

March 30 2012 00:18 GMT

#268

Yikes, from one of the highest paid and most regarded BW players to scratching around for cash by giving BW lessons at $25 an hour. I can help but feel sad for Savior.

But I'm a massive fanboy of his. I know he did wrong, but I still love him.

RowdierBob

Australia13293 Posts

March 30 2012 00:23 GMT

#269

I don't get the moral outrage from people. You're not condoning match fixing by learning from his BW knowledge. The two aren't mutually inclusive.

If you were an up and coming sprinter and had a chance to learn from say Marion Jones, would you take the opportunity? I think you'd be daft not to.

Paraietta

United Kingdom130 Posts

March 30 2012 00:24 GMT

#270

Six hours with saviOr for the same price as one hour with idra? Oh my

iAmiAnC

United Kingdom317 Posts

March 30 2012 00:29 GMT

#271

On March 30 2012 09:24 Paraietta wrote:
Six hours with saviOr for the same price as one hour with idra? Oh my

18 hours of coaching with saviOr for the price of 1 hour of coaching with IdrA. $100 only gets you "practice" vs IdrA, its $300/hour for actual coaching lol.

storywriter

Australia528 Posts

March 30 2012 00:35 GMT

#272

To the people saying that the title needs to be changed, I just want to put it out there that I simply translated the title of the Korean article. If the mods still feel the need to change, I guess it can't be helped. I just wanted people to know that I didn't come up with the title or any of the sentiment expressed in the article.

sinistral

Singapore859 Posts

March 30 2012 00:36 GMT

#273

Still trying to earn his keep from the game he almost destroyed before.

Does he feel no shame?

Sephy90

United States1785 Posts

March 30 2012 00:36 GMT

#274

On March 30 2012 06:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:

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Yeah, since Bonjwa is a fan-made unofficial title, I don't really see...

I don't really either but maybe the fans that made this unofficial title can take it away. I know in my eyes I don't see him that way anymore.

On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:

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Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label succinctly captures the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!

As a thread title, Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services

On topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at MATCH-FIXING-savior for an hour and a half

I'm really curious. Are you really using that comparison for him or is this some sort of exaggeration from when the coach used this comparison before?

On March 30 2012 07:49 rotinegg wrote:

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On March 30 2012 07:41 Xiphos wrote:

On March 30 2012 07:32 rotinegg wrote:

On March 30 2012 07:30 Xiphos wrote:

On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote:

On March 30 2012 06:58 empty.bottle wrote:
Can you change the title, everyone knows who Savior is... no need to keep talking about THAT issue.

Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label adds context to the OP by succinctly capturing the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!!

Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services

on topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at him for an hour and a half

Y'know if the SK culture would be more forgiving at incident such as this one and didn't make such a big fuzz about it, the entire media would have centered their focus. And if there is as little as flagrant as possible, sponsors wouldn't probably catch too much attention for this event. Honestly if everyone said 'okay, as long as you promise to NEVER repeat the same mistake twice, we are willing to give you a second chance." The scene would be still relatively in-tact. The match fixing essentially killed Hite Sparkys since two of their promising players was gone (YarnC and Go.Go.). Same applies to ESTRO, they lost their frontal man of the team (UpMagic). If they could just gave them a condition to fix their mistakes, not only this won't impact the E-sport too negatively, it would also strengthen the entire community. These guys could have continued to live as progamers while teaching the youngsters to NEVER replicate their wrongdoings because the repercussion would be catastrophic instead of dwelling in agony and possibly spread execrable rumors about the infrastructure.

I agree with your post entirely while maintaining my stance that savior is like a child molester trying to earn money through babysitting.

But a child molester doesn't possess the necessary skills to take care of an infant and is obviously bad at handling such tasks and everyone would already know the potential outcome. MJY, on the other hand should be competent enough to pass down his experience down the line. You and I both know that although he have done much atrocities, one cannot doubt his ability as a player. You wouldn't doubt him being adroit at the game. Therefore for that reason, I am almost sure that he will do a competent job in this category. While as, one will be close to 100% certain of the result of hiring a child molester in taking care of your child.

To me, it's an issue of principle, so even if it were Flash coaching BW for $25/hr, my answer would be a resounding NO if he had played an integral role in the match fixing scandal and barely showed any sign of repentance afterwards.

This post has made me understand more as to why others are way more angrier with Savior than I am. Because if Flash had played a role, I would be way more angry with him than Savior
Just some thoughts of mine below~
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Also I wonder why he's charging so cheap.. does he need money? Or has he lowered his price that low because he knows how much people hate him that they wouldn't even dare to pay more than what he's asking? I'll be even more disgusted if he cranks his prices up once he knows he has got a good amount of customers.

Quesadilla

United States1814 Posts

March 30 2012 00:43 GMT

#275

Incredibly insane opportunity for good lessons, if you don't care about the ethics. If I was fluent in Korean, I'd get a few lessons.

kyllinghest

Norway1607 Posts

March 30 2012 00:56 GMT

#276

So, does he let me win on purpose if I pay a little bit extra?

RezChi

Canada2368 Posts

March 30 2012 00:58 GMT

#277

Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it.

zev318

Canada4306 Posts

March 30 2012 00:58 GMT

#278

never seen bw before but i would watch these live lessons

perser84

Germany399 Posts

March 30 2012 01:07 GMT

#279

well he paid for his crimes and he will never play leauges and tournaments in korea

well if you compare how much other bw pros such as flash earn

25dollar for a hour is pocket money let him have it

and like others said even pro/semi pros charge more for coaching then him

compared how much he earn when he was bw pro

if someone is willing to pay for it ....let them
it up to them how to spend their money

he did something horrible to a game that we love
and i hope that i will never see him on sc2

only because he is inside korea banned doesnt mean he cant play sc2 in USA or EU

scDeluX

Canada1341 Posts

March 30 2012 01:09 GMT

#280

On March 30 2012 09:58 RezChi wrote:
Fuck this asshole. Ruins Brood-War and still tries to make money off of it.

He will be one of the progamers name and carrer that I'll remember in 25 years. For many people he didn't ruined BW but he made it.

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