EPTMatch Fixing Savior starts paid lessons - Page 16
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dark14cs
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Forester
United States116 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote: Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label succinctly captures the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!! As a thread title, Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services On topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at MATCH-FIXING-savior for an hour and a half What Savior did is nowhere on the level of child molestation so that's a terrible attempt at a comparison. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
he should really start sc2 IF he is allowed to partiicpate again after that date. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On March 30 2012 12:09 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote: so he is not banned anymore after june this year?? or does it mean something else? he should really start sc2 IF he is allowed to partiicpate again after that date. He's banned for life. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:45 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: You disgust me. He had his punishment. You want to coerce everyone into punish him even more? Who are you? The worlds judge? Have you ever worked/interacted with people who have a criminal background? Do you realize that Savior is actually doing something very benefical to the community by giving lessons, he could breed the a new generation of progamers. Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
Everyone has their own opinions about the man. Many StarCraft 2 players that happened to flip through Brood War's history will probably have this opinion of sAviOr. The old guards of Brood War that are antagonizing the newcomers should realize they're sort of acting in oppression. You have very strong opinions, yes be vocal about it. But don't force your views on other. sAviOr already had judicial decisions levied against him. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
Hey, I have no problems with this. The S. Korean judicial system has ruled, and that's that. We can be bitter (and I am) but he can do what he wants. The reason he has no takers (yet), is because with the horrible rumors about the BW scene lately, and the immense multitude of, and popularity of, other games makes being a good BW player less desirable than it was, say, 2 years ago. Even though Flash gushed over his skills on bnet, Savior hasn't posted decent results in years. It's hard to believe he threw all of those games that were losses. It was likely no more than ten. So the rest were just him losing. So I feel like most of the things he could teach you are outdated in regards to the highest level. Certainly good enough to get you a high ranking in ICCUP, or do well in team tourneys, which is the most practical use for a customer receiving lessons, but your money can used for better things. And since he threw games for money, I see nothing stopping him half-assing lessons for money. Let the buyer beware. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
The post states that 'Users who record the lessons and shares them will be added to the blacklist' to prevent users who try to obtain free lessons. Funny how he has no tolerance for people cheating the system. | ||
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SeventhPride
712 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
Pointing out a historical fact has no moral significance if you had no influence on the matter, it has personal, historical or academic significance but that's it. You aren't a more moral or upstanding person for pointing out someone's past mistakes, just as you aren't less moral or upstanding for pointing out someone's past achievements. All I'm seeing is someone who spent his educational career time playing professional BW, who was good at BW, made a mistake, was punished for it, and now is offering to coach for his sole / some additional income probably because it's the only skill he has available at his disposal with out restarting his entire educational career 10 years late. | ||
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
Can't afford to let him get popular again, I suppose. | ||
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
On March 30 2012 12:49 W2 wrote: Funny how he has no tolerance for people cheating the system. Starcraft 2 got you down? Has a lack of MSL made you a prisoner to cable television? Then call sAviOr right now and he'll sell you his VODs teaching you how to 3-hatch for a small fee of $99.99 per lesson! But wait! There's more! Call in the next 30 minutes and he'll even throw in a discount lesson! Don't speak Korean? No problem! THE bonjwa himself will come to your house with milkis and teach you all the hot 2006 strategies to help you improve your play to make you A+ on ICCup! This is an offer you cannot pass up! Don't wait! Call now! | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
On March 30 2012 13:13 Epithet wrote: Starcraft 2 got you down? Has a lack of MSL made you a prisoner to cable television? Then call sAviOr right now and he'll sell you his VODs teaching you how to 3-hatch for a small fee of $99.99 per lesson! But wait! There's more! Call in the next 30 minutes and he'll even throw in a discount lesson! Don't speak Korean? No problem! THE bonjwa himself will come to your house with milkis and teach you all the hot 2006 strategies to help you improve your play to make you A+ on ICCup! This is an offer you cannot pass up! Don't wait! Call now! Prices may vary. Milkis not available. Some restrictions may apply. | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On March 30 2012 12:21 endy wrote: You don't seem to understand how much the match fixing scandal hurt the scene. Companies do not want to sponsor a game involved in a match fixing scandal. It's by far the main reason teams have disbanded, MBCGame became a music channel, and OSL struggles to find sponsors. Yes he does have criminal record, but he totally deserves it. I don't even see how giving lessons is beneficial, it's just an arrogant provocation after what happened. "Hey guys, your team disbanded ? That sucks, sorry to hear that ! Well, I'm still making money off this game :trollface:" Oh, companys do not want to sponsor a game with match fixing? aaah, that is why there is 0 sponsors for scbw. oh wait, no there is still a proleague. must be all fake sponsors, huh? It is just an arrogant provocation? Do you know Diego Armando Maradona? He was caught doping, but him beeing the coach for Argentina was just an arrogant provocation, right? On March 30 2012 12:21 supernovamaniac wrote: Beneficial? Sure, benefit from teaching all those kids to have hopes of becoming a pro-BW player. Oh wait, while raising those kids, lets not forget to mention what he also did to destroy those hopes of kids who wanted to become a pro-player by downsizing the scene into 1 studio and 8 teams. Let's also mention the fact that BW has been getting less sponsorship requests nowadays, and OGN/KeSPA actually has hard time finding sponsors due to the bad image of e-Sports caused by those "incidents" If I knew that the day I last sat in MBCGame was going to be the last Proleague game being held in LOOX studio with full attendee, then I would've savored every single second of it. Thanks to people who are "doing something very beneficial to the community by giving lessons" and "breed a new generation of progamers", I regret getting out of the studio without taking few extra photos for myself. If people in this community had even a slight clue about what happened in the Korean BW scene with this particular incident, they know that Savior incident actually mattered in closure of MBCGame. If you know about the match fixing then still choose to support Savior or this lesson, that's fine by me because sometimes, you can't let go of your idol. However, don't act like you actually care for the closure of MBCGame if you still support his cause. The match fixing happened 2 years ago and now the sponsors are abandoning scbw because of it. That some massive lag right there, can you explain that lag to me? Is it really the bad image of esports? Is SC2 included in that esport? Do they also suffer from the match fixing? I mean, it has to because savior killed esports single handedly according to you. Is it really because of people giving brood war lessons that you can't go to the LOOX studio anymore, or is it rather because of people throwing games? Oh wait, for you the action doesn't matter, it's all about the name. Can you give me sources for the direct correlation of the closing of MBCGame and the match fixing (which is not entirely saviors fault)? Who are you to tell people what they care about? Worlds judge again? I care about the closure of MBCGame, it fucking sucks. But I have an entire different view about punishment of people than you. I value actions way higher than names. Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong and you are right? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 29 2012 23:06 GTR wrote: 30k won is quite a lot (compared to the other afreeca bjs) players like eagle/anytime do it for 10-15k won p/hr iirc. that being said, you are learning from probably the greatest strategic zerg ever to play bw. welp at least it's cheaper than idra. I couldn't help but laugh out loud. Meh, -.- On March 30 2012 11:40 Infinite Lurker wrote: Savior didn't destroy Brood War. Blizzard and Gretech destroyed Brood war. Go back to lurking. | ||
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sinistral
Singapore859 Posts
On March 30 2012 12:02 Forester wrote: Maybe its because I only got into the BW scene right after the match-fixing took place and the effect of it didn't really take place, but I think the guy's learned his lesson. And even if he hasn't he's not really in a position to harm anyone else. No one can deny he's a SICK player, these lessons can only help those who take them and help him make a living the best, and probably only, way he knows how: playing the game he loves. And I got into the BW scene WAY after the match fixing scandal. This guy still hasn't learnt his lessons. Yes, he's a pretty sick player, the morally sick type. And I truly thinks he doesn't love the game at all. It's the money that he loves, he's really corrupted. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 30 2012 07:18 rotinegg wrote: Why? What he's doing is despicable, and the label succinctly captures the essence of the controversy. People who already know may not need to be reminded of what he did, but people who are new to BW might think HEY AN EX-PRO TUTORING 1-ON-1 FOR $25/HR? AWESOME!!! As a thread title, Child molester Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services >>>> Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller offers babysitting services On topic, I would pay 25 bucks to curse at MATCH-FIXING-savior for an hour and a half You and me both. I always knew something was off with IPXZerg. I didn't like his character back then and I don't like his character now. He really did leave a black eye on the organizations and I guess it should be no surprise that money dried up fairly quickly when they found it to be true. Just one of many factors in the equation, but something we cannot overlook especially in that culture. On March 30 2012 13:49 sinistral wrote: And I got into the BW scene WAY after the match fixing scandal. This guy still hasn't learnt his lessons. Yes, he's a pretty sick player, the morally sick type. And I truly thinks he doesn't love the game at all. It's the money that he loves, he's really corrupted. To be fair, The boy doesn't have much to fall back on so I can understand his reasoning behind this. | ||
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