EPTI didnt knew progaming was so bad ...treating players like slaves i wonder why there is so much ppl in korea that wanna became progamers.
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
I didnt knew progaming was so bad ...treating players like slaves i wonder why there is so much ppl in korea that wanna became progamers. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
On December 28 2009 07:33 SkelA wrote: Great post . I didnt knew progaming was so bad ...treating players like slaves i wonder why there is so much ppl in korea that wanna became progamers. Because it's korean culture, they have no problems with it. | ||
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
 Massive respect for the foreigners who went there for trying... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3468/244787-reality_game_super.jpg) | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 28 2009 07:33 SkelA wrote: Great post . I didnt knew progaming was so bad ...treating players like slaves i wonder why there is so much ppl in korea that wanna became progamers. It's not only progaming, people in the music business (K-Pop) get treated like slaves too. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On December 28 2009 07:27 Megalisk wrote: How is playing iccup in a progamer house better than playing in your own? You're playing the exact same people, you lag so people are more hesitant to game with you. You don't know anyone in the house and can't communicate with them. The point of playing in a progamer house is to train with those other gamers in there, which ret couldn't even do due to obvious barriers. ret was better off training on his own in the comfort of his home IMO. A progaming house takes care of your room and board so you can concentrate. At home you have to be able to pay bills. | ||
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city42
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On December 28 2009 07:39 city42 wrote: How many of you people who are saying "you should learn the native language before moving to a country" have actually taught yourself to be conversationally fluent in Korean as a second language? We are not just talking about learning some verb forms or honorifics here. Getting to the point where you can walk up to a native and hold a complete conversation takes years of study, especially a language like Korean which (at least to my ears) appears to be spoken very quickly. Sure, the natives might treat you a little better if you are making an effort to learn their language, but how exactly does that help ret's starcraft situation? Koreans have a massive advantage with training because they can freely speak to one another about strategies and get help from coaches. With just elementary knowledge of the language, the communication barrier would still be there. Ok, so it's hard... so what? That doesn't mean you shouldn't have to do it. I always thought it was strange that foreigners moved to Korea before learning the language. How do you expect to improve if you can't discuss games, etc. with the players? If you just want to get owned by gosu Koreans I'd imagine it wouldn't be much different from playing on iccup. | ||
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True Swifty
Poland22 Posts
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diskborste
Sweden113 Posts
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hubson
Sweden93 Posts
But looks like the Courage tournament is way too hard in order to obtain the license. I guess the only chance foreigners might have in korean progaming is when sc2 comes out and they have some sort of equal start. | ||
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St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 28 2009 07:33 SkelA wrote: Great post . I didnt knew progaming was so bad ...treating players like slaves i wonder why there is so much ppl in korea that wanna became progamers. cause it's the same even in normal jobs kinda | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On December 28 2009 07:42 QuakerOats wrote: Ok, so it's hard... so what? That doesn't mean you shouldn't have to do it. I always thought it was strange that foreigners moved to Korea before learning the language. How do you expect to improve if you can't discuss games, etc. with the players? If you just want to get owned by gosu Koreans I'd imagine it wouldn't be much different from playing on iccup. I was going to shout at you but that won't achieve much, so I'll just explain why you don't get it. This is 2009. In order for ret to be at a point where he can walk up to a native Korean and have a nice, lengthy starcraft strategy discussion, he'd probably need 2 years of consistent learning and exposure to the language. This means that he would have needed to start in 2007. News flash: he didn't have an offer to go to Korea in 2007! Now, you may be asking: "so why didn't he start learning now and go there in 2011?" First of all, starcraft progaming may very well be dead or floundering by that time. Also, he may have decided that this is the last point in his life where he can take time off from everything to pursue this goal. In short, this situation did not really allow ret the time to achieve enough Korean fluency to have it make a difference with regard to his professional starcraft career. | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On December 28 2009 07:39 city42 wrote: How many of you people who are saying "you should learn the native language before moving to a country" have actually taught yourself to be conversationally fluent in Korean as a second language? We are not just talking about learning some verb forms or honorifics here. Getting to the point where you can walk up to a native and hold a complete conversation takes years of study, especially a language like Korean which (at least to my ears) appears to be spoken very quickly. Sure, the natives might treat you a little better if you are making an effort to learn their language, but how exactly does that help ret's starcraft situation? Koreans have a massive advantage with training because they can freely speak to one another about strategies and get help from coaches. With just elementary knowledge of the language, the communication barrier would still be there. The thing is, if you at least learned the language to a rudimentary, semi-conversational level, then you can pick up more just by talking and listening to people. If you don't know anything then you won't learn anything just by listening. The communication barrier would get smaller and smaller. And no, I haven't taught myself any Korean but I don't have any plans of going to live in Korea indefinitely any time soon, what's your point? EDIT: Ok, saw your new post, and fair enough, but like I said, it's not like you need to become fluent before moving there. But taking like a 6-month crash course surely would have helped a lot? Maybe not, I don't know all the details so I won't go on about this. | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
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BaltA
Norway849 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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NeO)DarK
Canada37 Posts
On December 28 2009 07:39 city42 wrote: How many of you people who are saying "you should learn the native language before moving to a country" have actually taught yourself to be conversationally fluent in Korean as a second language? We are not just talking about learning some verb forms or honorifics here. Getting to the point where you can walk up to a native and hold a complete conversation takes years of study, especially a language like Korean which (at least to my ears) appears to be spoken very quickly. Sure, the natives might treat you a little better if you are making an effort to learn their language, but how exactly does that help ret's starcraft situation? Koreans have a massive advantage with training because they can freely speak to one another about strategies and get help from coaches. With just elementary knowledge of the language, the communication barrier would still be there. I am slowly learning the language as I have time to spare and when you speak two languages fluently, I see no reason for you to insult me on not understanding the language perfectly before posting. If ret had understanding of the language it would create a common-ground between himself and teammates and he would be able to communicate with them. Communication is important on these teams because you need to engage in conversation to help improve your game as well as earn the respect of better players. With respect comes more chances to practice with your teammates. I don't believe ANYONE said anything about having a basic understanding of the language - please be more constructive if you plan on negating more comments. Throwing words into peoples' posts is just idiotic. | ||
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