Reality (Ret/Progaming) - Page 30

On December 30 2009 05:24 StarBrift wrote:
It disguist me how some people talk about this like it's their own lives. I understand that people somewhat put their own aspirations and dreams unto players like Ret, Nony or Idra but there is a limit to how obnoxious you can get.

Ret has chosen this path himself. He lives it. He will obviously make the decisions that he feels he want to take in context of his own life. How are you guys going to sit around and tell him what to do / not do or how he's stupid for even attempting this or w/e when you don't even know him on a personal level?

People need to take a step back and realise that Ret is not an ambassador for white people in korean progaming. Give the guy the respect that he deserves for even attempting such a feat. Whatever he decides will be right for him.

It's the same thing with Idra. People have been giving him bullshit about not progressing in the speed that their delusional minds want him to. Leave the guy alone. Support him if you like him. Ignore him if you don't. What's the point of degrading someone for something that takes more balls than most people that ever visited this site will ever have?

On December 30 2009 05:34 Odeyuken wrote:
Great read. I'm wondering one thing though : what about Elky back in the days ? Wasn't he fitting just good in the Korean pro-gamer scene/life ? Was he simply more skilled, did the times change ? Maybe it is a bad comparison... but I'd like to know.

ElkY and Giyom were part of the team but they didn't live with us at the team apartment, they had their own apartment that was nice and they paid for because they were very successful Starcraft players and were paid salaries in excess of 100,000$ a year and could afford it. Though they were my friends I idolized them. ElkY came over to the practice apartment one day though to practice strategies for an upcoming TV game he was going to have but once the manager left he loaded up PokerStars and started playing the 5/10 blinds 1000$ buyin tables. He was winning and losing pots up to 3,000$ in size left and right. I knew he kinda kept up with poker but I had no idea he had make it to this level. I was watching this guy win and lose amounts greater than my net worth with a few clicks here and there. One hand there was 1250$ in the pot and ElkY had queen-high on an ace high board which means he had jack shit. He had 800$ left and he bet it all. I was thinking "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY CRAZY HE'S FUCKING DUMB." But I respected him too much to open my mouth and voice my worthless opinion. After ElkY bet all-in the guy folded and ElkY won the 1250$ in the middle profiting 625$ just by having the balls to run a big bluff. I was like "Holy shit nice man when did you get so good?" He replied "haha poker is all I have been doing, fuck Starcraft haha."

On December 30 2009 05:25 ghostWriter wrote:
The thing is, people feel entitled to their own opinions. You can't stop them from giving it. But ret giving up this early isn't an indication that he really took everything carefully into account before making a decision. It also reflects badly on other foreigners who want to go into progaming as well.

On December 30 2009 05:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Problem is, that's what being a "star" is all about. Stars make people live by subtitute. That's the reason why people get so passionate about guys they shouldn't care about. Who give a shit about Jaedong? I don't mean his playing, but the real guy?

You can't dissociate the star system from theses silly comments. People think they owe a little bit of ret. Same way that her fan owe a little bit of Britney Spears, a little bit that they buy every time they read an interview or buy one of her cds. That's as bad as that.

On December 30 2009 07:39 StarBrift wrote:


Thanks for explaining "the star system" so throroughly. I'm well aware of the thoughts behind this. Unfortunately what you are explaining is a bunch of people deluding themselves. They have no right to change the life of the person the worship.

I myself revere players like Flash and Jaedong. I am glad when they win and pissed off when they lose soemtimes. But I wouldn't try to meddle in their personal affairs or critisize the way they live their lives. That's just pathetic.

On December 30 2009 07:48 rusty23456 wrote:
It is only slave work if you don't have the desire to be the best. You better have a passion for the game like Jordan had for basketball or Tiger Woods for golf (They train harder than anyone in their sport). Of course your going to train day and night. You train day and night to be the best you can. Isn't that why you go to Korea? You expect to have a life when you go to Korea to become a progamer? Competition is for BW is top in Korea. You better outwork EVERYONE. That is why you go to Korea. It's WAR.

I hope Ret wasn't stupid enough to think that he was going to just casually train when he went to Korea.

Also, i think there are some gamers out there who actually play 24/7 at home with no life. If you have the potential why not go for it?

On December 30 2009 07:28 StarBrift wrote:


If someone actually thinks worse of foreigners because of anything Ret has done then that's due to them being incredibly narrow minded or flat out presumptious about the situation. These people are bandwagoners and will follow anything that a large enough number of people says. Trying to appease them is nothing short of idiocy.

Do you seriously believe that Ret should have considered that some narrow minded korean person would discriminate against other white people if he failed? Do you honestly believe that is a reasonable demand to put on a person who wants to pursue his dream?

As I said, this argument makes me sick.

On December 30 2009 05:04 ghostWriter wrote:


Right your 10-22 d scares the shit out of me.

Are you really 26 and married? Because you seem to have the emotional stability and the mental acuity of someone half your age.

On December 30 2009 08:07 mOnion wrote:


check his profile pic. definitely looks like a mature well spoken adult.

On December 30 2009 08:09 ghostWriter wrote:


HAHAHA

"Hey mom! Look at me, I'm Spiderman!"

"Also, I wear sunglasses inside like a true douchebag."

On December 30 2009 08:07 mOnion wrote:


check his profile pic. definitely looks like a mature well spoken adult.

On December 30 2009 08:16 So no fek wrote:



Hey, I occasionally do this, and I realize I may look like a douchebag, but they're prescription, and I can't see shit without them. I'll generally either wear my regular glasses, or my sunglasses, without carrying the other around, so if I chose to wear my sunglasses, and I need to see something, you're damn right I'll be using them inside.