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Odeyuken
France94 Posts
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mel_ee
2448 Posts
PLEASE PLEASE please stop giving advice about Korean things if youre not even Korean or have never LIVED in that country. A visit doesnt count... | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7909 Posts
On December 30 2009 05:24 StarBrift wrote: It disguist me how some people talk about this like it's their own lives. I understand that people somewhat put their own aspirations and dreams unto players like Ret, Nony or Idra but there is a limit to how obnoxious you can get. Ret has chosen this path himself. He lives it. He will obviously make the decisions that he feels he want to take in context of his own life. How are you guys going to sit around and tell him what to do / not do or how he's stupid for even attempting this or w/e when you don't even know him on a personal level? People need to take a step back and realise that Ret is not an ambassador for white people in korean progaming. Give the guy the respect that he deserves for even attempting such a feat. Whatever he decides will be right for him. It's the same thing with Idra. People have been giving him bullshit about not progressing in the speed that their delusional minds want him to. Leave the guy alone. Support him if you like him. Ignore him if you don't. What's the point of degrading someone for something that takes more balls than most people that ever visited this site will ever have? Problem is, that's what being a "star" is all about. Stars make people live by subtitute. That's the reason why people get so passionate about guys they shouldn't care about. Who give a shit about Jaedong? I don't mean his playing, but the real guy? You can't dissociate the star system from theses silly comments. People think they owe a little bit of ret. Same way that her fan owe a little bit of Britney Spears, a little bit that they buy every time they read an interview or buy one of her cds. That's as bad as that. | ||
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On December 30 2009 05:34 Odeyuken wrote: Great read. I'm wondering one thing though : what about Elky back in the days ? Wasn't he fitting just good in the Korean pro-gamer scene/life ? Was he simply more skilled, did the times change ? Maybe it is a bad comparison... but I'd like to know. ElkY and Giyom were part of the team but they didn't live with us at the team apartment, they had their own apartment that was nice and they paid for because they were very successful Starcraft players and were paid salaries in excess of 100,000$ a year and could afford it. Though they were my friends I idolized them. ElkY came over to the practice apartment one day though to practice strategies for an upcoming TV game he was going to have but once the manager left he loaded up PokerStars and started playing the 5/10 blinds 1000$ buyin tables. He was winning and losing pots up to 3,000$ in size left and right. I knew he kinda kept up with poker but I had no idea he had make it to this level. I was watching this guy win and lose amounts greater than my net worth with a few clicks here and there. One hand there was 1250$ in the pot and ElkY had queen-high on an ace high board which means he had jack shit. He had 800$ left and he bet it all. I was thinking "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY CRAZY HE'S FUCKING DUMB." But I respected him too much to open my mouth and voice my worthless opinion. After ElkY bet all-in the guy folded and ElkY won the 1250$ in the middle profiting 625$ just by having the balls to run a big bluff. I was like "Holy shit nice man when did you get so good?" He replied "haha poker is all I have been doing, fuck Starcraft haha." from Rekrul's the Growth of a Nerd Things have changed soo much since then for foreign progamers.. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On December 30 2009 05:25 ghostWriter wrote: The thing is, people feel entitled to their own opinions. You can't stop them from giving it. But ret giving up this early isn't an indication that he really took everything carefully into account before making a decision. It also reflects badly on other foreigners who want to go into progaming as well. If someone actually thinks worse of foreigners because of anything Ret has done then that's due to them being incredibly narrow minded or flat out presumptious about the situation. These people are bandwagoners and will follow anything that a large enough number of people says. Trying to appease them is nothing short of idiocy. Do you seriously believe that Ret should have considered that some narrow minded korean person would discriminate against other white people if he failed? Do you honestly believe that is a reasonable demand to put on a person who wants to pursue his dream? As I said, this argument makes me sick. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On December 30 2009 05:45 Biff The Understudy wrote: Problem is, that's what being a "star" is all about. Stars make people live by subtitute. That's the reason why people get so passionate about guys they shouldn't care about. Who give a shit about Jaedong? I don't mean his playing, but the real guy? You can't dissociate the star system from theses silly comments. People think they owe a little bit of ret. Same way that her fan owe a little bit of Britney Spears, a little bit that they buy every time they read an interview or buy one of her cds. That's as bad as that. Thanks for explaining "the star system" so throroughly. I'm well aware of the thoughts behind this. Unfortunately what you are explaining is a bunch of people deluding themselves. They have no right to change the life of the person the worship. I myself revere players like Flash and Jaedong. I am glad when they win and pissed off when they lose soemtimes. But I wouldn't try to meddle in their personal affairs or critisize the way they live their lives. That's just pathetic. | ||
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
I hope Ret wasn't stupid enough to think that he was going to just casually train when he went to Korea. Also, i think there are some gamers out there who actually play 24/7 at home with no life. If you have the potential why not go for it? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7909 Posts
On December 30 2009 07:39 StarBrift wrote: Thanks for explaining "the star system" so throroughly. I'm well aware of the thoughts behind this. Unfortunately what you are explaining is a bunch of people deluding themselves. They have no right to change the life of the person the worship. I myself revere players like Flash and Jaedong. I am glad when they win and pissed off when they lose soemtimes. But I wouldn't try to meddle in their personal affairs or critisize the way they live their lives. That's just pathetic. Sure. However, you can question the will of becoming a star. A sportman or a pop star who start giving interviews / selling his image / doing commercials etc etc etc, decides to become part of the Spectacular Society, to become a merchandise. If you make publicity of your life, and if you sell yourself, you know what you are getting into. Britney Spears decided to become a product, an image, a virtual self for people deluding themselves, as you say, and she decided that because it makes a lot of money. That's what one should answer to the "Leave Britney Alone" shit. She got what she wanted. Look at all theses interviews / videos / pictures / merchandised stuffs of all kind done with Jaedong or Bisu. That's not Starcraft. This whole iconic stuff is just money, for making people dream about something which is made of nothing. Now, I don't think ret has much to do with that, except that the way people behave is the other face of his fame. Ret is becoming an icon in this community, people who don't know him for shit start to feel close to him, and that sucks for him. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On December 30 2009 07:48 rusty23456 wrote: It is only slave work if you don't have the desire to be the best. You better have a passion for the game like Jordan had for basketball or Tiger Woods for golf (They train harder than anyone in their sport). Of course your going to train day and night. You train day and night to be the best you can. Isn't that why you go to Korea? You expect to have a life when you go to Korea to become a progamer? Competition is for BW is top in Korea. You better outwork EVERYONE. That is why you go to Korea. It's WAR. I hope Ret wasn't stupid enough to think that he was going to just casually train when he went to Korea. Also, i think there are some gamers out there who actually play 24/7 at home with no life. If you have the potential why not go for it? pretty sure he didn't think that. Pretty sure you don't know the actual cultural issues that went down which resulted in him leaving Estro (apart from Estro members not playing against him, we all know that now.) Pretty sure you're a troll. By the way since you brought up Jordan, no greatest of all time athlete has ever became what he is through slave-work. The korean system is effective at making sure that anyone who steps into the scene doesn't turn out to be a waste of talent due to lack of practice, somewhat similar to the system that was set up in the Soviet Union to develop athletes. It is NOT the system that develops the Michael Jordans. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 30 2009 07:28 StarBrift wrote: If someone actually thinks worse of foreigners because of anything Ret has done then that's due to them being incredibly narrow minded or flat out presumptious about the situation. These people are bandwagoners and will follow anything that a large enough number of people says. Trying to appease them is nothing short of idiocy. Do you seriously believe that Ret should have considered that some narrow minded korean person would discriminate against other white people if he failed? Do you honestly believe that is a reasonable demand to put on a person who wants to pursue his dream? As I said, this argument makes me sick. I was talking about the people who run the teams, including the coaches and the managers, not to mention the gamers themselves. The most recent foreigners on a team that I can think of is Idra, Nony and ret, so ret going to Estro means that he and Idra are the only representatives for foreign gamers. Since they have an opportunity to live with other gamers, obviously the Koreans will make judgments on what they see. How many more foreigners will they be willing to take when Nony and ret washed out so quickly? And obviously I can't expect Ret to consider this when he went there, but the fact is that it is a factor. I'm not putting the demand on him, it's already there. Don't pretend you don't ever make judgment calls on entire other groups of people based on the actions of a few individuals. It's impossible not to, our brains are hardwired to think like that, no matter how politically correct you try to be. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On December 30 2009 05:04 ghostWriter wrote: Right your 10-22 d scares the shit out of me. Are you really 26 and married? Because you seem to have the emotional stability and the mental acuity of someone half your age. check his profile pic. definitely looks like a mature well spoken adult. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 30 2009 08:07 mOnion wrote: check his profile pic. definitely looks like a mature well spoken adult. HAHAHA "Hey mom! Look at me, I'm Spiderman!" "Also, I wear sunglasses inside like a true douchebag." | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
On December 30 2009 08:09 ghostWriter wrote: HAHAHA "Hey mom! Look at me, I'm Spiderman!" "Also, I wear sunglasses inside like a true douchebag." Hey, I occasionally do this, and I realize I may look like a douchebag, but they're prescription, and I can't see shit without them. I'll generally either wear my regular glasses, or my sunglasses, without carrying the other around, so if I chose to wear my sunglasses, and I need to see something, you're damn right I'll be using them inside.  | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7909 Posts
On December 30 2009 08:07 mOnion wrote: check his profile pic. definitely looks like a mature well spoken adult. lol this guy got flamed so hard that I almost feel guilty. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
i am a failed poker player indeed. | ||
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Wotans_Fire
United Kingdom294 Posts
Here is Rekruls online record for the year, but I think he plays live games mostly http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/rekrul | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 30 2009 08:16 So no fek wrote: Hey, I occasionally do this, and I realize I may look like a douchebag, but they're prescription, and I can't see shit without them. I'll generally either wear my regular glasses, or my sunglasses, without carrying the other around, so if I chose to wear my sunglasses, and I need to see something, you're damn right I'll be using them inside. Sorry. But do you take pictures of yourself while wearing them and jumping around with your hands in the spiderman slinging his web around position when you pretend to be 26 years old and married? | ||
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