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On December 30 2009 02:16 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
thats not entirely fair, he didnt have much time before moving out here to learn the language since he had to come in time for ief, and for most people its very hard to learn a language by submersion when you have no framework to build on. and with korean you really do have no framework since its not related to any of the languages he speaks. ya, it would be very good to study it, but you have to keep in mind that you have maybe 3-4 hours of free time a day in which you also have to eat and do stuff. and you dont get enough sleep at night so most players nap during free time as well. its really not all that practical unless the team agrees to let you take some time out of practice for classes.
IdRA i agree with what you said... and i necessarily wasnt talking about RET's specific case because i cant really imagine what its like for YOU or him out their since i have never been to the country... but from what RekRul was saying i was pointing out that if anybody who is really serious about making it pro if you want to make the transition for yourself alittle smoother than it would be best to learn the language in basic terms... You are ABSOLUTLY correct with the korean language... it is its own world and i have only learned the basic greeting and how to pronounce my name.
What im basically saying is : If you want to go to a different country and be pro! Commit 6 months atleast to learning the language hardcore while you are in the comfort of your own vicinity.. whether you live at home/ own your place/ stay with friends ... Sacrifice your time to reap the benefits in the other country you choose to reside. Idra people mainly younger guy's need to understand their is a responsiblity a big responsiblity to Do their part AND MORE if they want to succeed.
I feel bad for RET and i know he will get better and another opportunity to do something will come up... im sure he learned from this expierience and will move on to do great things..
As for you Keep making TossGirl cry so she can lean on my shoulder one day and i hope your doing well man ... We are happy you represent most of us gamers who would love to be over there and pat you on the back and just give you support in person... but the internet is what most of us can only do 
All in all!! LEARN THE LANGUAGE Ahead of time and be smart
Have Fun
GG
AM.23)Jehuty A.kA O-MeGaMeRc ICCUP ID
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On December 30 2009 02:21 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 04:01 ret wrote:
I definately still believe it can be done in Korea.
I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also.
But for me personally, age is a huge factor like some people here pointed out. If I was younger, I wouldn't even think twice about what to do and just keep trying my best and eventually win courage and just keep trying. But yes I am quite old, so wasting time would be bad, and with SC2 coming out I don't know how feasible it is to stay. I think someone like Kolll (very young, already very good, and not yet ruined by all the freedom you get after high school :p) would succeed here quite easily. I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D: I just can't believe that after all rekrul said and after all that happened to you, you still come here to brag about some wins over people who won the courage and say that you are a better player than idra and it makes you sad to see him doing well... You should be amazed that idra is doing well, you should copy every aspect of idra's life. he is not doing well just because he is good at SC, there is a lot of factors behind... read read and re-read rekrul post. You are white, a foreigner, don't speak korean, is a "big" person, you don't play ZvZ and you don't have the korean personality... also the fact that you won one game against idra doesn't mean you are a better player. to be a better player you need consistent results, accomplishment, discipline, patience to sit and repeat the same strategy over and over to become a robot, etc. idra was the most hated person in the entire community, to become what he is now after all the hate... its not because his trolling is fun...
Learning a language is a difficult thing. See the above lack of reading comprehension as an example. Ilbh probably has years of experience with english, how could months of learning korean possibly compare? Then again, it might not be too bad if he could pick up some of the basics and then have someone who knows korean and knows starcraft game terms give them a list of those terms..
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On December 30 2009 02:21 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 04:01 ret wrote:
I definately still believe it can be done in Korea.
I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also.
But for me personally, age is a huge factor like some people here pointed out. If I was younger, I wouldn't even think twice about what to do and just keep trying my best and eventually win courage and just keep trying. But yes I am quite old, so wasting time would be bad, and with SC2 coming out I don't know how feasible it is to stay. I think someone like Kolll (very young, already very good, and not yet ruined by all the freedom you get after high school :p) would succeed here quite easily. I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D: I just can't believe that after all rekrul said and after all that happened to you, you still come here to brag about some wins over people who won the courage and say that you are a better player than idra and it makes you sad to see him doing well... You should be amazed that idra is doing well, you should copy every aspect of idra's life. he is not doing well just because he is good at SC, there is a lot of factors behind... read read and re-read rekrul post. You are white, a foreigner, don't speak korean, is a "big" person, you don't play ZvZ and you don't have the korean personality... also the fact that you won one game against idra doesn't mean you are a better player. to be a better player you need consistent results, accomplishment, discipline, patience to sit and repeat the same strategy over and over to become a robot, etc. idra was the most hated person in the entire community, to become what he is now after all the hate... its not because his trolling is fun...
Did you even read what Ret wrote? Wtf are you trollin about?
Bragging? He even said he's not making excuses just lets us know that he can beat those guys. Nony could and he wasnt as dominant amongst foreigners as Ret is now.
His post has abolutely nothing to do with Idra, he doesnt even mentions him. You don't know shit about what Red or Idra does in Korea, nor do you know their personalities, yet you declare what Ret should do.
Who the hell is talking about that game? Not Ret for sure!
Ret has consistent results amongst foreginers. Idra did not have too much until like half a year ago, when he already spent a lot of time in Korea. Ret has dicipline, he's not a 16 years old korean kid, but this doesnt mean he's impatinet.
Idra's BM has nothing to do with his development/skill. He plays too well, and when he loses he talks trash. You try to suggest that he plays well BECAUSE he talks shit and thinks eveybody is a skilles newbie (i exaggerate a bit )?
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On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
I was so excited to read rekruls post... because it really opens up people's minds especially the 20 and younger crowd we have here because alot of them dont know what its like to earn their own dollar and most of what they say is just newb ish... (Im 26, Married, And have a Great job) ... but I can see how the koreans act exactly how he potrays them for example look at Tossgirls most recent interview about how she cried when she lost to IdRA (Koreans really look at Foreigners as inferior to them..... but i can also see them opening up to someone they can communicate with.
All in all i say if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be a successfull pro-gamer... 1) Learn Basic Language of the country your going 2) Be freaking Beyond GoSu 3) Wait till starcraft 2 comes out before you make the move if its SC that your going for. 4) Have a decent bank account of your own... these are things people really need to look at!!
Have fun
and GG
Am.23)Jehuty aka O-MeGaMerc ICCUPID
lol.
That's great you have a good job and a wife. Can you teach us life, because we are ignorant kids? Maybe I can pm you ICCUPID and you explain me what I have to do to be succesfull also.
Seriously...
That's amazing how everybody knows better than ret what is good and what is bad for him. If he has to do mistakes in his life, he will learn from it. This patronizing attitude doesn't help.
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On December 29 2009 16:02 FirstProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2009 12:48 wadadde wrote:On December 29 2009 11:13 FirstProbe wrote:
Give up Ret. I don't know (you or) what you hope to achieve, but I doubt you'll have much success in Korea with Brood War. A matter of too little, too late, and wrong place. You see that now. Not that I wanted to see you fail; I'd have loved to see you on television... but I think there's nothing for you to realistically gain. Why would you say something like that? Are you a friend of Ret? His father perhaps? If not, you should just shut up or at least not dress up your opinion as if it's supposed to be directed at Ret. I don't think he's waiting for randomdouche2250's tough love right now. Why don't you shut up. I'm allowed to voice my opinion. He doesn't have to take it. I didn't actually put him down, so perhaps you shouldn't take offense (why you are in the first place is beyond me). He understands the reality better than both of us, and I'd be surprised if he didn't think of doing exactly that, irrespective of whether or not he read my comment.
it's not about your opinion.
it's about how you present your opinion.
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Was Rekrul even in Korea during the time Ret was there? Did Rekrul ever meet Ret?
Rekrul is a failed poker player. What's different from being a failed progamer? Rekrul got lucky and won a lot yet he wasted all of it on stupid stuff. Yeah he had a good time, I am sure. But Rekrul is one of the worst examples one cat give to others.
Rekrul was just waiting for Ret to fail and then to get his attention. He's such a bad person online.
User was banned for this post.
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On December 30 2009 03:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
I was so excited to read rekruls post... because it really opens up people's minds especially the 20 and younger crowd we have here because alot of them dont know what its like to earn their own dollar and most of what they say is just newb ish... (Im 26, Married, And have a Great job) ... but I can see how the koreans act exactly how he potrays them for example look at Tossgirls most recent interview about how she cried when she lost to IdRA (Koreans really look at Foreigners as inferior to them..... but i can also see them opening up to someone they can communicate with.
All in all i say if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be a successfull pro-gamer... 1) Learn Basic Language of the country your going 2) Be freaking Beyond GoSu 3) Wait till starcraft 2 comes out before you make the move if its SC that your going for. 4) Have a decent bank account of your own... these are things people really need to look at!!
Have fun
and GG
Am.23)Jehuty aka O-MeGaMerc ICCUPID lol. That's great you have a good job and a wife. Can you teach us life, because we are ignorant kids? Maybe I can pm you ICCUPID and you explain me what I have to do to be succesfull also. Seriously... That's amazing how everybody knows better than ret what is good and what is bad for him. If he has to do mistakes in his life, he will learn from it. This patronizing attitude doesn't help.
You wanna know what amazes me ..... apparently people dont know how to read on this web site .... Tell me where in my post do i speak about RET?? do i even mention his NAME?? This was a GENERAL post to those who in the FUTURE want to try to be progamers ... then it would be in their best interest to learn the language of the country they are going to. And if you would READ IdrA's replay to my original post you will see that i explained to him that i WAS NOT speaking about RET i was speaking just in GENERAL.
Did i claim im a philosopher...? Did i say you all need to listen to me ...? I was stating my opinion and WHAT I WOULD DO!! then gave basic advice to people who are serious about gaming! Im not an expert, my suggestions were to the TL population on a specific topic.. and its one i believe MOST in this community would agree with... Wanna gain some respect?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE .... Wanna have communication?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE ... Wanna have a shot at taking TOSSGIRL out to dinner?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE!!
I got advice to you.... Learn how to read !!! Im doing a class on Internet post 101 starts January 1st ... Maybe you should consider joining
Have FUN
GG
AM.23)Jehuty A.K.A O-MeGaMeRc ICCUP ID
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It's funny seeing all these random people try to give ret advice.
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They weren't allowed to take language classes.
Personally I wouldn't go if I wasn't allowed to take classes. Ret should have said: "Ill go but I have these requests. If they aren't met, it isn't worth it for me to go."
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On December 30 2009 03:26 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
I was so excited to read rekruls post... because it really opens up people's minds especially the 20 and younger crowd we have here because alot of them dont know what its like to earn their own dollar and most of what they say is just newb ish... (Im 26, Married, And have a Great job) ... but I can see how the koreans act exactly how he potrays them for example look at Tossgirls most recent interview about how she cried when she lost to IdRA (Koreans really look at Foreigners as inferior to them..... but i can also see them opening up to someone they can communicate with.
All in all i say if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be a successfull pro-gamer... 1) Learn Basic Language of the country your going 2) Be freaking Beyond GoSu 3) Wait till starcraft 2 comes out before you make the move if its SC that your going for. 4) Have a decent bank account of your own... these are things people really need to look at!!
Have fun
and GG
Am.23)Jehuty aka O-MeGaMerc ICCUPID lol. That's great you have a good job and a wife. Can you teach us life, because we are ignorant kids? Maybe I can pm you ICCUPID and you explain me what I have to do to be succesfull also. Seriously... That's amazing how everybody knows better than ret what is good and what is bad for him. If he has to do mistakes in his life, he will learn from it. This patronizing attitude doesn't help. I got advice to you.... Learn how to read !!! Im doing a class on Internet post 101 starts January 1st ... Maybe you should consider joining Have FUN GG AM.23)Jehuty A.K.A O-MeGaMeRc ICCUP ID
lesson 1: don't sign your posts
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On December 30 2009 03:26 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
I was so excited to read rekruls post... because it really opens up people's minds especially the 20 and younger crowd we have here because alot of them dont know what its like to earn their own dollar and most of what they say is just newb ish... (Im 26, Married, And have a Great job) ... but I can see how the koreans act exactly how he potrays them for example look at Tossgirls most recent interview about how she cried when she lost to IdRA (Koreans really look at Foreigners as inferior to them..... but i can also see them opening up to someone they can communicate with.
All in all i say if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be a successfull pro-gamer... 1) Learn Basic Language of the country your going 2) Be freaking Beyond GoSu 3) Wait till starcraft 2 comes out before you make the move if its SC that your going for. 4) Have a decent bank account of your own... these are things people really need to look at!!
Have fun
and GG
Am.23)Jehuty aka O-MeGaMerc ICCUPID lol. That's great you have a good job and a wife. Can you teach us life, because we are ignorant kids? Maybe I can pm you ICCUPID and you explain me what I have to do to be succesfull also. Seriously... That's amazing how everybody knows better than ret what is good and what is bad for him. If he has to do mistakes in his life, he will learn from it. This patronizing attitude doesn't help. You wanna know what amazes me ..... apparently people dont know how to read on this web site .... Tell me where in my post do i speak about RET?? do i even mention his NAME?? This was a GENERAL post to those who in the FUTURE want to try to be progamers ... then it would be in their best interest to learn the language of the country they are going to. And if you would READ IdrA's replay to my original post you will see that i explained to him that i WAS NOT speaking about RET i was speaking just in GENERAL. Did i claim im a philosopher...? Did i say you all need to listen to me ...? I was stating my opinion and WHAT I WOULD DO!! then gave basic advice to people who are serious about gaming! Im not an expert, my suggestions were to the TL population on a specific topic.. and its one i believe MOST in this community would agree with... Wanna gain some respect?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE .... Wanna have communication?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE ... Wanna have a shot at taking TOSSGIRL out to dinner?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE!! I got advice to you.... Learn how to read !!! Im doing a class on Internet post 101 starts January 1st ... Maybe you should consider joining Have FUN GG AM.23)Jehuty A.K.A O-MeGaMeRc ICCUP ID
Yeah good point. This thread is about ret and how he didn't make it in estro's house. Why post in a thread about ret with a post that supposedly has nothing to do about him? Are you a progamer? Do you have any background in esports? No? So why do you think you have any kind of authority to tell other people what to do? Your advice means nothing, especially since you're a sub-100 post noob. Foreigners are inferior to Korean progamers, who have the support system of a team behind them, and even many Korean amateurs. They are naturally disadvantaged by being unable to speak Korean in a game in which most of the professional leagues and tournaments are played in Korea or are dominated by Koreans. Protip: Try not to tell other people to learn a language when yours is just awful. Are you really a teacher? Because you are pretty bad at using capitalization and apostrophes.
And we can see your name at the top of your post, anyone who signs their post is a stupid douche on par with people who feel an overwhelming desire to post FISRST!$%!$!%#@^@ on new topics. Also, you're bad at Starcraft.
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On December 30 2009 03:21 Glaucus wrote:
Was Rekrul even in Korea during the time Ret was there? Did Rekrul ever meet Ret?
Rekrul is a failed poker player. What's different from being a failed progamer? Rekrul got lucky and won a lot yet he wasted all of it on stupid stuff. Yeah he had a good time, I am sure. But Rekrul is one of the worst examples one cat give to others.
Rekrul was just waiting for Ret to fail and then to get his attention. He's such a bad person online.
"failed poker player"
Define please, I would definitely not consider someone to be a failure if he can support himself well enough so he can live a wealthy life thanks to poker. (and no he did not just hit one score, he has had very good success in cash games from what I've gathered.)
And fyi. Rekrul lives in korea, so yeah he has been there simultaneously with Ret. =p
Seriously even if Rekrul may be arrogant and this might affect people's views of him, he really is one of the most knowledgeable TLers when it comes to StarCraft pro-gaming, not many foreigners have experienced it like he has.
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On December 30 2009 03:21 Glaucus wrote:
Was Rekrul even in Korea during the time Ret was there? Did Rekrul ever meet Ret?
Rekrul is a failed poker player. What's different from being a failed progamer? Rekrul got lucky and won a lot yet he wasted all of it on stupid stuff. Yeah he had a good time, I am sure. But Rekrul is one of the worst examples one cat give to others.
Rekrul was just waiting for Ret to fail and then to get his attention. He's such a bad person online.
You know nothing of what you speak. Why is it Rek's posts always bring out every person who thinks they know shit enough to write an autobiography of Rek's life?
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He went back to San Diego. He still has San Diego as his location.
Even during his biggest winnings he was in debt because he won his money with loaned cash. Maybe he won in cash games, maybe he didn't. No one can verify that. We do know that he had big losing streaks as well. He admitted himself he got lazy and stopped practicing.
On December 30 2009 03:46 Slaughter wrote:
....always bring out every person who thinks they know shit enough to write an autobiography of Rek's life?
TL is his autobiography. He comes here to brag every once in a while. Remember that boji car? He wanted to buy a car that could get him laid with the .01% prettiest females. Yet he didn't understand girls like men with expensive cars because that means money which means they have power. Poker players have zero power so they aren't attractive to woman. Rekrul doesn't understand woman.
And in the end he had to admit he couldn't afford it anyway. So it was one big shameful lie.
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On December 30 2009 03:49 Glaucus wrote:
He went back to San Diego. He still has San Diego as his location.
Even during his biggest winnings he was in debt because he won his money with loaned cash. Maybe he won in cash games, maybe he didn't. No one can verify that. We do know that he had big losing streaks as well. He admitted himself he got lazy and stopped practicing.
You seem to have no idea how the poker world works, please do your homework before doing personal attacks.
btw. he changed his location quite a while ago, after that he went back to Korea and now is going back to USA as far as I know.
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so here are the results of racepicking =/
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On December 30 2009 03:49 Glaucus wrote:He went back to San Diego. He still has San Diego as his location. Even during his biggest winnings he was in debt because he won his money with loaned cash. Maybe he won in cash games, maybe he didn't. No one can verify that. We do know that he had big losing streaks as well. He admitted himself he got lazy and stopped practicing. Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:46 Slaughter wrote:
....always bring out every person who thinks they know shit enough to write an autobiography of Rek's life? TL is his autobiography. He comes here to brag every once in a while. Remember that boji car? He wanted to buy a car that could get him laid with the .01% prettiest females. Yet he didn't understand girls like men with expensive cars because that means money which means they have power. Poker players have zero power so they aren't attractive to woman. Rekrul doesn't understand woman. And in the end he had to admit he couldn't afford it anyway. So it was one big shameful lie.
I happen to enjoy rekrul's threads so why don't you piss off? Thanks.
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On December 30 2009 03:52 Puosu wrote:
You seem to have no idea how the poker world works, please do your homework before doing personal attacks.
Less idea than Rekrul does, that's for sure. But if I said something that's wrong you failed to point it out.
Don't tell me Rekrul can win tournaments using someone else's money and keep 100%. Even if they are friends, that's not how the power world works. They may be generous, but it's not charity. And business is business, even with friends. Otherwise you go broke yourself.
Every time a foreigenrs fails in Korea Rekrul comes out to bash them. According to Draco it's because he failed himself too and he can't stand seeing others succeed.
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On December 30 2009 03:54 Glaucus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:52 Puosu wrote:
You seem to have no idea how the poker world works, please do your homework before doing personal attacks. Less idea than Rekrul does, that's for sure. But if I said something that's wrong you failed to point it out. Don't tell me Rekrul can win tournaments using someone else's money and keep 100%. Even if they are friends, that's not how the power world works. They may be generous, but it's not charity. And business is business, even with friends. Otherwise you go broke yourself. Every time a foreigenrs fails in Korea Rekrul comes out to bash them. According to Draco it's because he failed himself too and he can't stand seeing others succeed.
Eh well I'm a poker player myself as well.
This "loaning" you talk of, is staking.
And that basically means that when a person buys a certain percentage of you they get a certain percentage of what ever you happen to win, obviously this means that only the most skilled players get regularly staked because nobody wants to stake a losing player, this alone should point out in the direction of Rekrul being a very skilled individual. Many professionals buy in to big tournaments in this way because tournaments have huge variance (luck is a big factor).
Most money that standard cash game players make does not come from tournaments either, Rekrul isn't even a tournament player but he won his heads-up bracelet off cash game experience where its obviously hard to tell how well he has done, but from what can be seen he isn't doing too bad.
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On December 30 2009 03:45 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:26 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:On December 30 2009 03:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
I was so excited to read rekruls post... because it really opens up people's minds especially the 20 and younger crowd we have here because alot of them dont know what its like to earn their own dollar and most of what they say is just newb ish... (Im 26, Married, And have a Great job) ... but I can see how the koreans act exactly how he potrays them for example look at Tossgirls most recent interview about how she cried when she lost to IdRA (Koreans really look at Foreigners as inferior to them..... but i can also see them opening up to someone they can communicate with.
All in all i say if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be a successfull pro-gamer... 1) Learn Basic Language of the country your going 2) Be freaking Beyond GoSu 3) Wait till starcraft 2 comes out before you make the move if its SC that your going for. 4) Have a decent bank account of your own... these are things people really need to look at!!
Have fun
and GG
Am.23)Jehuty aka O-MeGaMerc ICCUPID lol. That's great you have a good job and a wife. Can you teach us life, because we are ignorant kids? Maybe I can pm you ICCUPID and you explain me what I have to do to be succesfull also. Seriously... That's amazing how everybody knows better than ret what is good and what is bad for him. If he has to do mistakes in his life, he will learn from it. This patronizing attitude doesn't help. You wanna know what amazes me ..... apparently people dont know how to read on this web site .... Tell me where in my post do i speak about RET?? do i even mention his NAME?? This was a GENERAL post to those who in the FUTURE want to try to be progamers ... then it would be in their best interest to learn the language of the country they are going to. And if you would READ IdrA's replay to my original post you will see that i explained to him that i WAS NOT speaking about RET i was speaking just in GENERAL. Did i claim im a philosopher...? Did i say you all need to listen to me ...? I was stating my opinion and WHAT I WOULD DO!! then gave basic advice to people who are serious about gaming! Im not an expert, my suggestions were to the TL population on a specific topic.. and its one i believe MOST in this community would agree with... Wanna gain some respect?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE .... Wanna have communication?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE ... Wanna have a shot at taking TOSSGIRL out to dinner?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE!! I got advice to you.... Learn how to read !!! Im doing a class on Internet post 101 starts January 1st ... Maybe you should consider joining Have FUN GG AM.23)Jehuty A.K.A O-MeGaMeRc ICCUP ID Yeah good point. This thread is about ret and how he didn't make it in estro's house. Why post in a thread about ret with a post that supposedly has nothing to do about him? Are you a progamer? Do you have any background in esports? No? So why do you think you have any kind of authority to tell other people what to do? Your advice means nothing, especially since you're a sub-100 post noob. Foreigners are inferior to Korean progamers, who have the support system of a team behind them, and even many Korean amateurs. They are naturally disadvantaged by being unable to speak Korean in a game in which most of the professional leagues and tournaments are played in Korea or are dominated by Koreans. Protip: Try not to tell other people to learn a language when yours is just awful. Are you really a teacher? Because you are pretty bad at using capitalization and apostrophes. And we can see your name at the top of your post, anyone who signs their post is a stupid douche on par with people who feel an overwhelming desire to post FISRST!$%!$!%#@^@ on new topics. Also, you're bad at Starcraft.
Sigh.... must i guide you by the hands children? Maybe i shouldn't use alot of words.
1) You bash me for my opinion and what i think people should do if they consider turning pro. So your basically saying nobody should have an opinion... ? Correct?
2) I have under 100 posts because i refuse to include myself in many of the newb people/conversations that i have to explain myself 100 times to in order for them to understand what im saying.
3) I suck at starcraft but i love the game and like to keep up to date the current games ... so you saying im bad at starcraft means nothing. But i would put money that you would dodge if i asked for 1v1.
Question? Do people think they would fair off better learning the korean language before going to the country ? Or not learning it and going straight in?
Because my whole point was just learning a language... dont know what was so hard to understand..
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