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Btw in the 2nd part of this video (http://www.scforall.com/sctv/sc_tv01.asp?mNum=s01) Idra tells what's most important if foreigners want to go to Korea. I assume anyone who plans to go to Korea in the future better starts following his advice now. 
Edit: I can't get a working link, just search for "CJ_Idra`s first interview while at the team workshop" on SCForall.
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On December 30 2009 03:49 Glaucus wrote:He went back to San Diego. He still has San Diego as his location. Even during his biggest winnings he was in debt because he won his money with loaned cash. Maybe he won in cash games, maybe he didn't. No one can verify that. We do know that he had big losing streaks as well. He admitted himself he got lazy and stopped practicing. Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:46 Slaughter wrote:
....always bring out every person who thinks they know shit enough to write an autobiography of Rek's life? TL is his autobiography. He comes here to brag every once in a while. Remember that boji car? He wanted to buy a car that could get him laid with the .01% prettiest females. Yet he didn't understand girls like men with expensive cars because that means money which means they have power. Poker players have zero power so they aren't attractive to woman. Rekrul doesn't understand woman. And in the end he had to admit he couldn't afford it anyway. So it was one big shameful lie.
He's been in Korea for 2 months and you have literally no idea what you are babbling about. Take a walk.
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"I wanna tell ret how to live his life"
"NO! You're wrong. I wanna tell him what to do!"
Ret: "anyone care what I think?"
"Silence. Here's what you will do..."
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Calgary25981 Posts
On December 30 2009 04:06 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:45 ghostWriter wrote:On December 30 2009 03:26 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:On December 30 2009 03:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
I was so excited to read rekruls post... because it really opens up people's minds especially the 20 and younger crowd we have here because alot of them dont know what its like to earn their own dollar and most of what they say is just newb ish... (Im 26, Married, And have a Great job) ... but I can see how the koreans act exactly how he potrays them for example look at Tossgirls most recent interview about how she cried when she lost to IdRA (Koreans really look at Foreigners as inferior to them..... but i can also see them opening up to someone they can communicate with.
All in all i say if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be a successfull pro-gamer... 1) Learn Basic Language of the country your going 2) Be freaking Beyond GoSu 3) Wait till starcraft 2 comes out before you make the move if its SC that your going for. 4) Have a decent bank account of your own... these are things people really need to look at!!
Have fun
and GG
Am.23)Jehuty aka O-MeGaMerc ICCUPID lol. That's great you have a good job and a wife. Can you teach us life, because we are ignorant kids? Maybe I can pm you ICCUPID and you explain me what I have to do to be succesfull also. Seriously... That's amazing how everybody knows better than ret what is good and what is bad for him. If he has to do mistakes in his life, he will learn from it. This patronizing attitude doesn't help. You wanna know what amazes me ..... apparently people dont know how to read on this web site .... Tell me where in my post do i speak about RET?? do i even mention his NAME?? This was a GENERAL post to those who in the FUTURE want to try to be progamers ... then it would be in their best interest to learn the language of the country they are going to. And if you would READ IdrA's replay to my original post you will see that i explained to him that i WAS NOT speaking about RET i was speaking just in GENERAL. Did i claim im a philosopher...? Did i say you all need to listen to me ...? I was stating my opinion and WHAT I WOULD DO!! then gave basic advice to people who are serious about gaming! Im not an expert, my suggestions were to the TL population on a specific topic.. and its one i believe MOST in this community would agree with... Wanna gain some respect?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE .... Wanna have communication?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE ... Wanna have a shot at taking TOSSGIRL out to dinner?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE!! I got advice to you.... Learn how to read !!! Im doing a class on Internet post 101 starts January 1st ... Maybe you should consider joining Have FUN GG AM.23)Jehuty A.K.A O-MeGaMeRc ICCUP ID Yeah good point. This thread is about ret and how he didn't make it in estro's house. Why post in a thread about ret with a post that supposedly has nothing to do about him? Are you a progamer? Do you have any background in esports? No? So why do you think you have any kind of authority to tell other people what to do? Your advice means nothing, especially since you're a sub-100 post noob. Foreigners are inferior to Korean progamers, who have the support system of a team behind them, and even many Korean amateurs. They are naturally disadvantaged by being unable to speak Korean in a game in which most of the professional leagues and tournaments are played in Korea or are dominated by Koreans. Protip: Try not to tell other people to learn a language when yours is just awful. Are you really a teacher? Because you are pretty bad at using capitalization and apostrophes. And we can see your name at the top of your post, anyone who signs their post is a stupid douche on par with people who feel an overwhelming desire to post FISRST!$%!$!%#@^@ on new topics. Also, you're bad at Starcraft. Sigh.... must i guide you by the hands children? Maybe i shouldn't use alot of words. 1) You bash me for my opinion and what i think people should do if they consider turning pro. So your basically saying nobody should have an opinion... ? Correct? 2) I have under 100 posts because i refuse to include myself in many of the newb people/conversations that i have to explain myself 100 times to in order for them to understand what im saying. 3) I suck at starcraft but i love the game and like to keep up to date the current games ... so you saying im bad at starcraft means nothing. But i would put money that you would dodge if i asked for 1v1. Question? Do people think they would fair off better learning the korean language before going to the country ? Or not learning it and going straight in? Because my whole point was just learning a language... dont know what was so hard to understand.. GEEZ
Yes you should learn the language before going to a new country. In many of these particular situations that is not a reasonable option.
There I just solved the argument, let's move on.
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On December 30 2009 04:16 vnlegend wrote:
"I wanna tell ret how to live his life"
"NO! You're wrong. I wanna tell him what to do!"
Ret: "anyone care what I think?"
"Silence. Here's what you will do..."
Best post by far.
10/10
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On December 30 2009 03:26 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
I was so excited to read rekruls post... because it really opens up people's minds especially the 20 and younger crowd we have here because alot of them dont know what its like to earn their own dollar and most of what they say is just newb ish... (Im 26, Married, And have a Great job) ... but I can see how the koreans act exactly how he potrays them for example look at Tossgirls most recent interview about how she cried when she lost to IdRA (Koreans really look at Foreigners as inferior to them..... but i can also see them opening up to someone they can communicate with.
All in all i say if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be a successfull pro-gamer... 1) Learn Basic Language of the country your going 2) Be freaking Beyond GoSu 3) Wait till starcraft 2 comes out before you make the move if its SC that your going for. 4) Have a decent bank account of your own... these are things people really need to look at!!
Have fun
and GG
Am.23)Jehuty aka O-MeGaMerc ICCUPID lol. That's great you have a good job and a wife. Can you teach us life, because we are ignorant kids? Maybe I can pm you ICCUPID and you explain me what I have to do to be succesfull also. Seriously... That's amazing how everybody knows better than ret what is good and what is bad for him. If he has to do mistakes in his life, he will learn from it. This patronizing attitude doesn't help. You wanna know what amazes me ..... apparently people dont know how to read on this web site .... Tell me where in my post do i speak about RET?? do i even mention his NAME?? This was a GENERAL post to those who in the FUTURE want to try to be progamers ... then it would be in their best interest to learn the language of the country they are going to. And if you would READ IdrA's replay to my original post you will see that i explained to him that i WAS NOT speaking about RET i was speaking just in GENERAL. Did i claim im a philosopher...? Did i say you all need to listen to me ...? I was stating my opinion and WHAT I WOULD DO!! then gave basic advice to people who are serious about gaming! Im not an expert, my suggestions were to the TL population on a specific topic.. and its one i believe MOST in this community would agree with... Wanna gain some respect?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE .... Wanna have communication?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE ... Wanna have a shot at taking TOSSGIRL out to dinner?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE!! I got advice to you.... Learn how to read !!! Im doing a class on Internet post 101 starts January 1st ... Maybe you should consider joining Have FUN GG AM.23)Jehuty A.K.A O-MeGaMeRc ICCUP ID
My post was divided in two. First half was about you and your douchebagery. You come and say that you know life because you have a wife and a good job and how cool you are because you are 27 and succesful, you know what it is to "earn your own dollars", and you will teach us what life is and what progaming is about. Wtf, man? Wtf? Seriously. That's really funny.
Now, exactly after this "seriously", I talked about all people on this thread coming with a patronizing attitude, with knowing what is good and bad for ret as if they knew life better than him. If you are not one of these ones, good for you.
So I wonder who doesn't know how to read on this forum. You know what paragraph are for? No you don't. They are used to make a new point.
You are a little ridiculous, you know? :-) "MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE" six hundred times in a row when you fail to understand what I have written, and all this cap letters makes you look like the guy who know life and is so succesfull but can't even control himself from raging on a Starcraft forum.
How did you say? Oh yeah. gl hf. So nerdy. Hahahahaha :-)
Edit: wtf tossgirl? My god. Buy a brain. Or something equivalent.
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On December 30 2009 04:06 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 03:45 ghostWriter wrote:On December 30 2009 03:26 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:On December 30 2009 03:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 30 2009 01:48 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
I personally think that anybody who wants to go to a different country and be a professional progamer or whatever would be wise enough to learn the basics of the language .... I mean i understand certain circumstances but lets be real... if you somewhat remotely know another country's language people will be more open to speak with you because of the fact you can communicate with them. There will obviously be a culture barrier but communication can break most barrier's.... Imagine you go to Korea and know how to speak the basic language or the basic terms to be a progamer... dont you think they would respect the fact that you are trying to be a team player by learning their language that way you can communicate with them and maybe win over their favor since you seem to want to know about them more... if i could speak korean and im an already outgoing person.. i would be there trying to make them laugh by making a fool of myself and just complementing them on their gameplay and their hard work... that in itself will go a long way.
I was so excited to read rekruls post... because it really opens up people's minds especially the 20 and younger crowd we have here because alot of them dont know what its like to earn their own dollar and most of what they say is just newb ish... (Im 26, Married, And have a Great job) ... but I can see how the koreans act exactly how he potrays them for example look at Tossgirls most recent interview about how she cried when she lost to IdRA (Koreans really look at Foreigners as inferior to them..... but i can also see them opening up to someone they can communicate with.
All in all i say if you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to be a successfull pro-gamer... 1) Learn Basic Language of the country your going 2) Be freaking Beyond GoSu 3) Wait till starcraft 2 comes out before you make the move if its SC that your going for. 4) Have a decent bank account of your own... these are things people really need to look at!!
Have fun
and GG
Am.23)Jehuty aka O-MeGaMerc ICCUPID lol. That's great you have a good job and a wife. Can you teach us life, because we are ignorant kids? Maybe I can pm you ICCUPID and you explain me what I have to do to be succesfull also. Seriously... That's amazing how everybody knows better than ret what is good and what is bad for him. If he has to do mistakes in his life, he will learn from it. This patronizing attitude doesn't help. You wanna know what amazes me ..... apparently people dont know how to read on this web site .... Tell me where in my post do i speak about RET?? do i even mention his NAME?? This was a GENERAL post to those who in the FUTURE want to try to be progamers ... then it would be in their best interest to learn the language of the country they are going to. And if you would READ IdrA's replay to my original post you will see that i explained to him that i WAS NOT speaking about RET i was speaking just in GENERAL. Did i claim im a philosopher...? Did i say you all need to listen to me ...? I was stating my opinion and WHAT I WOULD DO!! then gave basic advice to people who are serious about gaming! Im not an expert, my suggestions were to the TL population on a specific topic.. and its one i believe MOST in this community would agree with... Wanna gain some respect?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE .... Wanna have communication?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE ... Wanna have a shot at taking TOSSGIRL out to dinner?? MAYBE LEARN THE LANGUAGE!! I got advice to you.... Learn how to read !!! Im doing a class on Internet post 101 starts January 1st ... Maybe you should consider joining Have FUN GG AM.23)Jehuty A.K.A O-MeGaMeRc ICCUP ID Yeah good point. This thread is about ret and how he didn't make it in estro's house. Why post in a thread about ret with a post that supposedly has nothing to do about him? Are you a progamer? Do you have any background in esports? No? So why do you think you have any kind of authority to tell other people what to do? Your advice means nothing, especially since you're a sub-100 post noob. Foreigners are inferior to Korean progamers, who have the support system of a team behind them, and even many Korean amateurs. They are naturally disadvantaged by being unable to speak Korean in a game in which most of the professional leagues and tournaments are played in Korea or are dominated by Koreans. Protip: Try not to tell other people to learn a language when yours is just awful. Are you really a teacher? Because you are pretty bad at using capitalization and apostrophes. And we can see your name at the top of your post, anyone who signs their post is a stupid douche on par with people who feel an overwhelming desire to post FISRST!$%!$!%#@^@ on new topics. Also, you're bad at Starcraft. Sigh.... must i guide you by the hands children? Maybe i shouldn't use alot of words. 1) You bash me for my opinion and what i think people should do if they consider turning pro. So your basically saying nobody should have an opinion... ? Correct? 2) I have under 100 posts because i refuse to include myself in many of the newb people/conversations that i have to explain myself 100 times to in order for them to understand what im saying. 3) I suck at starcraft but i love the game and like to keep up to date the current games ... so you saying im bad at starcraft means nothing. But i would put money that you would dodge if i asked for 1v1. Question? Do people think they would fair off better learning the korean language before going to the country ? Or not learning it and going straight in? Because my whole point was just learning a language... dont know what was so hard to understand.. GEEZ
Sigh...It's hard to come off as a pretentious prick when your command of the English language seems to be very tenuous at best.
1)Your opinion would be worth little even if you had many posts, but it's worth even less since you don't.
2)You being bad at starcraft had nothing to do with it, it was a sidenote letting you know that putting it in your pointless signature isn't a good idea. And obviously I would dodge you, why should I waste my time playing a person who is currently 10-22 D when I'm c- already?
3) I understand your point and I agree, perhaps ret should have learned the language before going. My point was that you have no right to be making that kind of point when your English is awful, especially for someone who has "United States" as his location. Hypocrite.
GEEZ
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Lol, this dumb 26 year old married kid with a great job thinks he's something? Writing freaking long posts just to say it's important to learn the language of the country where you're going to pursue a professional job. Great advice, thanks.
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Oh snap D vs C- trash talk -_-
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On December 30 2009 04:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
Oh snap D vs C- trash talk -_-
In my defense, it's early in the season and I've only played like 30 games.
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On December 30 2009 04:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
Oh snap D vs C- trash talk -_-
I'd rip his C- Trash into 3
He wont play me cause he will lose that rank easy ... wanna BO3?? Oh wait u already dodged
And i already made my point apparently so i am no longer gonna talk about the subject
If anybody wants a piece im right here otherwise man up and game.
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Grudge match. Right now. Stream it.
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The fact this kind of people marry and procreate bugs me.
Back in topic, I would like to see Ret in Korea for one more Courage so he can practice better his zvz. He's there and Artosis is very supportive towards foreigners going there, giving another shot with better preparation wouldn't be stupid.
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Ok guys we don't need this to dissolve into a iccup pissing contest.
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On December 30 2009 04:44 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:I'd rip his C- Trash into 3 He wont play me cause he will lose that rank easy ... wanna BO3?? Oh wait u already dodged And i already made my point apparently so i am no longer gonna talk about the subject If anybody wants a piece im right here otherwise man up and game.
Right your 10-22 d scares the shit out of me.
Are you really 26 and married? Because you seem to have the emotional stability and the mental acuity of someone half your age.
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On December 30 2009 05:04 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 04:44 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:On December 30 2009 04:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
Oh snap D vs C- trash talk -_- I'd rip his C- Trash into 3 He wont play me cause he will lose that rank easy ... wanna BO3?? Oh wait u already dodged And i already made my point apparently so i am no longer gonna talk about the subject If anybody wants a piece im right here otherwise man up and game. Right your 10-22 d scares the shit out of me. Are you really 26 and married? Because you seem to have the emotional stability and the mental acuity of someone half your age.
HAHA just for you i wont let it be a ranked match that goes for anybody who wants some 
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you guys are going to get this thread locked up -__-
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It disguist me how some people talk about this like it's their own lives. I understand that people somewhat put their own aspirations and dreams unto players like Ret, Nony or Idra but there is a limit to how obnoxious you can get.
Ret has chosen this path himself. He lives it. He will obviously make the decisions that he feels he want to take in context of his own life. How are you guys going to sit around and tell him what to do / not do or how he's stupid for even attempting this or w/e when you don't even know him on a personal level?
People need to take a step back and realise that Ret is not an ambassador for white people in korean progaming. Give the guy the respect that he deserves for even attempting such a feat. Whatever he decides will be right for him.
It's the same thing with Idra. People have been giving him bullshit about not progressing in the speed that their delusional minds want him to. Leave the guy alone. Support him if you like him. Ignore him if you don't. What's the point of degrading someone for something that takes more balls than most people that ever visited this site will ever have?
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The thing is, people feel entitled to their own opinions. You can't stop them from giving it. But ret giving up this early isn't an indication that he really took everything carefully into account before making a decision. It also reflects badly on other foreigners who want to go into progaming as well.
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