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Rekrul speaks the truth.
On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.
Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.
If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious.
Also I agree with Chill. I also want to add that I think ret deserves mad respect for his decision to quit eSTRO, when he realized thats not the dream he wanted to live.
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It's unfortunate, but this is probably the post that is most in tune with reality, regarding the progaming scene.
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Appreciate you putting time on writing this.
Cleared up a lot of shit, its a harsh truth.
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Very good post!
Now that i know a little more about how things are done over there i can definitely understand why most of the foreigners decided not to stay for long.
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great post, it's nice to hear the point of view of someone who actually knows what the fuck is going on. I blame KeSPA and it's stupid rules for all of these difficulties but i'm just prejudiced.
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On December 28 2009 06:48 ghermination wrote:
great post, it's nice to hear the point of view of someone who actually knows what the fuck is going on. I blame KeSPA and it's stupid rules for all of these difficulties but i'm just prejudiced.
what does kespa have to do with anything
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United States44393 Posts
On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.
Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.
If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious.
One thing that occurs to me is that taking an hour a day off of bw to work on speaking korean would probably be worth more when you consider talking through builds and reps with other B teamers.
Rek, is there so little flexibility that that wouldn't be possible?
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On December 28 2009 06:48 ghermination wrote:
great post, it's nice to hear the point of view of someone who actually knows what the fuck is going on. I blame KeSPA and it's stupid rules for all of these difficulties but i'm just prejudiced.
i think it's not KeSPA, it's the entire mentality. seriously, who plays that much for 7/24?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 28 2009 06:45 Julmust wrote:
Wasting another post towards 1k to post here but I simply had to:
first of all great post rek, but I have a question:
you say this has alot to do with korean culture and how they want to fall in line, but couldn't it also be because korea can be a very racist country towards white people in general? (I remember reading this somewhere, might even have been you who wrote it).
ninjaedit:
I'll also add that I dont really see where you're harsh on ret as mentioned before? Was it the part about him being "a big guy"? didnt really strike me as harsh
Bleh Koreans are very racist in general but not like direct hateful racism. It's more like they care about themselves and want to stay within their korean world rather than hating on others sort of racism.
Koreans in general avoid whats not familiar.
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breaking news:
you should learn the language of the country where you want to live and work before you move there
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Every now and again Rekrul posts and it makes my day. I didnt really know how things were over there till I met Idra/dan in singapore and they told me it was the first time they let him out the cj house in months.
Sadly for most people, especially the older players who have their own willpower, this would remain a dream imo.
Edit: Maybe willpower is the wrong word, still, any teacher will tell you its harder to teach/change the older your student is.
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Koreans will get crushed in SC2 if they keep their wrong practice regimes for SC2 if other countries can fund teams with just as many resources.
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i swear i knew this was a rekrul post even before opening the thread
gonna read what he wrote now
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Good insight, and good advice for anyone that would want to get into SC2 pro gaming (which I imagine some people on TL will want to do).
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 28 2009 06:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.
Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.
If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious. One thing that occurs to me is that taking an hour a day off of bw to work on speaking korean would probably be worth more when you consider talking through builds and reps with other B teamers. Rek, is there so little flexibility that that wouldn't be possible?
Of course there is some flexibility, and the longer you've been on the team and/or the more skilled you are you can find more freedoms...but when you're a newb you have to follow the damn rules and not seem needy to gain their respect.
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Calgary26004 Posts
On December 28 2009 06:45 Julmust wrote:
Wasting another post towards 1k to post here but I simply had to:
first of all great post rek, but I have a question:
you say this has alot to do with korean culture and how they want to fall in line, but couldn't it also be because korea can be a very racist country towards white people in general? (I remember reading this somewhere, might even have been you who wrote it).
ninjaedit:
I'll also add that I dont really see where you're harsh on ret as mentioned before? Was it the part about him being "a big guy"? didnt really strike me as harsh
I doubt it. Koreans love white people lol
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On December 28 2009 06:44 Weasel- wrote:
I think I've learned more about Korean Starcraft in this one post than I have in the past 6 months reading stuff on TL.
Was gonna say that...
Interesting maybe if Ret knew about this before he would give it a second thought? I wonder did he know this before he went there?
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On December 28 2009 06:50 dnosrc wrote:
breaking news:
you should learn the language of the country where you want to live and work before you move there
Yeah, this. To be honest I was pretty shocked to find out ret didn't speak any Korean before going. Surely it's well known that Koreans don't speak a lot of english in general? Lots of respect to ret for his choices here anyway.
By the way, does anyone know if Idra speaks Korean at a decent level yet?
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So Ret is on his way back home to holland or what???
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The life style has nothing to do with kespa. Its more due to the enormous supply of up and comers? like if you don't want to do it, others are willing. For petes sake you play video games for a living.
And I don't think its "racist" but similarly, if roles were reversed you wouldn't be as inclined to help either. LIke you play a few games but if he is inferior and not up to standards then what are you to do? Though I have no idea what went down with that replay leak thing, but that can't bold well for your reputation within the house.
To be blunt, you may have felt you were on top of the ladder before you went, but you are nobody once you are there. You have to reprove yourself all over again.
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