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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
June 29 2009 20:32 GMT
#21
english grammar is easy, or at least you can master some sort of understandable level quicker than any other language
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MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
June 29 2009 23:44 GMT
#22
The OP was so broad and so general, yet raises important questions such as the impact of language on thought.

For instance: the stylistic preference for active or passive case within a language has important socio-intellectual implications. The stylistic mutation of a verb-centered sentence structure to one padded with adjectival qualifiers represents not only aesthetic changes, but important mental ones too.

This is a very troublesome topic, requiring immense background knowledge of lingustic history and comparative linguistics, because it is very difficult to reflectively analyse the language on which all our thoughts are dependent.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 29 2009 23:48 GMT
#23
with Britannia taking control of well over half the world, not much choice we have but to use English.

crap, mixing reality with anime.
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MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
June 29 2009 23:57 GMT
#24
There is a certain truth to the power dimension of language proliferation, but this must be a conditional statement.

French remained the dominant international language during the 19th century, when she was quickly overtaken by the United Kingdom and Germany in national power. As late as 1940, French held its own against German and English.

If on the other hand, the British Empire were a decrepit, backward and mentally stagnant culture like China, English could never have expanded throughout the world, regardless of her military or material power.

The rise of Latin, French, German, English, etc. could not have existed without cultural prestige. The French intellectual, the English gentleman, the German scientist, the Latin monk, Hollywood, all played roles at least as important as their armies and fleets.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
June 30 2009 00:06 GMT
#25
i like the part where moltke insults china
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
June 30 2009 04:52 GMT
#26
Nobody owns English, to say USA does would be the most retarded thing ever. English can be considered as a Chimera language in that it has so many different origins all lumped up together into this massively confusing and rule-less thing called English.

Adeny is right in how English spread and though Countries like China will become one of the major powers and Chinese would be good to learn for reference, a language that is ever changing and molding to fit the century will nvr be replaced by something as strict as Chinese.
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p4ge
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada160 Posts
September 13 2009 02:54 GMT
#27
Global domination aside, English as a language is also relatively versatile. A lot of languages share characteristics with Orwell's 1984, "Newspeak", Chinese included. They are monotonous when compared to English. Take a word like 'good', for example. To indicate different levels of good, these languages simply add a modifier which is usually placed before the word. 'More good'. The meaning is drawn then from the modifier in relation to the base word. 'More more good'. 'More more more good' Etc. A language like English, on the other hand, gets a bit more nuanced. A Chinese friend of mine, originally from China studying English as her major told me that English is so much more expressive than Chinese. Instead of just 'more good', we have words like marvelous, splendid, wonderful, shipshape, exceptional. As to the idea that language controls thought, it's a myth. Read Steven Pinker's language instinct.
50bani
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Romania480 Posts
September 13 2009 15:44 GMT
#28
I think the main force behind the spread of English is actually American consumer culture like Hollywood and pop music. Yes, the British Empire colonised a lot of the world, you can say that English has been the de facto language of seafaring since the 19th century but that has little to do with it. America has exported it's (sub)culture and made a lot of people think it has a monopoly on the truth.
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