EPTLike for example, if you look at all the famous titans of history, you see that Napolean had a talent for organizing soldiers at a young age, Turing was a brilliant kid in his teen years, Einstein was sort of a prodigy etc etc etc
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nimysa
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Like for example, if you look at all the famous titans of history, you see that Napolean had a talent for organizing soldiers at a young age, Turing was a brilliant kid in his teen years, Einstein was sort of a prodigy etc etc etc | ||
JWD
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
given that you arent retarded or crippled you can be beyond proficient in just about anything if you work hard enough at it. being a once in a century genius is a tad bit different | ||
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Nitrogen
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nimysa
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Ganfei
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Chef
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If you want an example of success at a late age: Scott Adams' Dilbert only took off when he was already had a lot of work experience and was getting on the old side. But now you see how much that particular comic strip has exploded, and how refined his skills have gotten. His earliest cartoons did not look as polished as they do today, and he only started drawing them in adulthood. However, he did draw as a child, so maybe this isn't the example that broke the mold  But typically the things you're good at you've been interested in your whole life, so I think that's more coincidence. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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But is working hard more important than talent? Definitely. | ||
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Murlox
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Edit : Ok this was slow. | ||
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Chef
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On January 29 2009 12:46 travis wrote: Well think about it... of course you have to have talent in related fields at least. Either that or you did and just didn't realize it. But is working hard more important than talent? Definitely. I think luck is more important than both if you put it that way. Lots of people work hard and never get anywhere because the opportunities aren't there for them. Unless you truly believe in the American Dream or something. | ||
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theonemephisto
United States409 Posts
On January 29 2009 12:37 nimysa wrote: In order to properly excel at a particular field or reach a level beyond just proficiency, do you HAVE to HAVE talent or aptitude at an early age before adulthood in the field itself or something related to it? Like for example, if you look at all the famous titans of history, you see that Napolean had a talent for organizing soldiers at a young age, Turing was a brilliant kid in his teen years, Einstein was sort of a prodigy etc etc etc I think your definition of "properly excelling" at something might be a little skewed. Yes, it you want to be an absolutely amazing, once-in-a-lifetime genius at something, like all your examples, you probably need some natural talent. If you want to be just beyond proficiency, being average or slightly below and working hard should easily get you there. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On January 29 2009 12:37 nimysa wrote: Einstein was sort of a prodigy etc etc etc Uh... doesn't everybody always talk about how they thought Einstein was stupid and he did horribly in school up until his later years? | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On January 29 2009 13:35 Zozma wrote: Uh... doesn't everybody always talk about how they thought Einstein was stupid and he did horribly in school up until his later years? He did horribly in school because he didn't care enough about the material (at least the math parts) because he already knew most of it as he was learning material much more complex. It wasn't because he was stupid, it's just he didn't have the motivation to focus on stuff that was too remedial to him. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
The answer is no, many if not all successful people go through a crucible at some point in their life. | ||
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geometryb
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SpiritoftheTunA
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his first published paper was also completely false, something about the mechanisms of capillary action that made up new physics that didnt exist worked as a patent clerk for awhile, wasn't afraid to publish classical mechanics contradicting shit in the form of the photoelectric effect, wasn't afraid to throw away the idea of the luminiferous ether, wasnt afraid to challenge newton on how gravity worked (gravity isn't an instantaenous force), and eventually, after painstaking work (10 years or so), learned the differential geometry to handle his own general relativity (he gained a newfound respect for math after that) if you study the history of modern physics, you'll see that alot of the most prominent/important figures werent afraid to be bold in publishing new ideas and challenging old ones (de broglie, planck, etc) | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
If you have passion for something, you'll know because you'll be thinking about it while you are walking outside, driving, in the shower, before you go to sleep, etc. The more you think about something, the more your brain/body will adapt to it and become better at it. Einstein's brain was studied after his death and they found that the region associated with 3D visualization was much larger than the average person... in my eyes this means that it grew as he required such skills for his work. | ||
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minus_human
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On January 29 2009 12:46 travis wrote: Well think about it... of course you have to have talent in related fields at least. Either that or you did and just didn't realize it. But is working hard more important than talent? Definitely. Couldn't have said it better myself | ||
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nimysa
United States383 Posts
On January 29 2009 15:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: einstein did badly in school cuz he didnt care about homework or tests his first published paper was also completely false, something about the mechanisms of capillary action that made up new physics that didnt exist worked as a patent clerk for awhile, wasn't afraid to publish classical mechanics contradicting shit in the form of the photoelectric effect, wasn't afraid to throw away the idea of the luminiferous ether, wasnt afraid to challenge newton on how gravity worked (gravity isn't an instantaenous force), and eventually, after painstaking work (10 years or so), learned the differential geometry to handle his own general relativity (he gained a newfound respect for math after that) if you study the history of modern physics, you'll see that alot of the most prominent/important figures werent afraid to be bold in publishing new ideas and challenging old ones (de broglie, planck, etc) Now that you mention it, could you mention some books related to that? (About Einstein and scientists sucking, contradicting, and working hard etc). Secondly I thought Einstein had mastered differential calculus when by the time he was 15? The whole thing about him sucking at school was primarily language related or false when concerning his poor aptitude in math or physics, could you tell me what exactly is right? | ||
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