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Addictive personalities isn't really something concrete and more of a construct.
What I mean by that is that noone is born with an addictive personality. People are predisposed to behavior and are more likely to become alcoholics or whatever, but that doesn't mean they must be or will be, it just means that the odds are worse (and usually not that horrible anyway, 10x chance that something unlikely will occur is still often unlikely). There is no such thing as an inherent attribute of addiction since life will shape us in different ways both in a learning and in a genetic sense (which genes are active).
On one hand thinking "I have an addictive personality so I need to be careful" can be an insight. But a young person saying "I have an addictive personality so I can't help but do X" - that isn't an insight and it's just a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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This was 7th grade for me.
Luckily, some girls flirted with me in 8th grade and so i quit wow so inwould have time to get some.
Sluts saved me from playing the UP class that is the rogue.
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i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me.
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On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me.
Are you trying to defend your addiction or something? Your post doesn't make any sense otherwise.
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My brother's high school years were the same but with Diablo 2! lol
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On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me.
Heaps of the stereotypes against video games are true, though, especially with WoW. It encourages poor eating, it's antisocial, it discourages physical activity, it's as much an escape from reality as some other drugs... I really don't see any way to look at WoW in a positive light, even if you only play an hour a day. It's still a total waste. "But that hour makes me happy!". Not a good reason. Plenty of other things could make you just as happy, if not happier, while also being character-building and/or productive.
I really don't understand why so many gamers can't accept that some of these stereotypes actually are true. I guess they spend so much time gaming that some stereotypes are more like personal insults to them.
I'm glad that TL is a lot less stubbornly thick-headed than some other communities when it comes to games.
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On August 10 2011 08:52 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me. Heaps of the stereotypes against video games are true, though, especially with WoW. It encourages poor eating, it's antisocial, it discourages physical activity, it's as much an escape from reality as some other drugs... I really don't see any way to look at WoW in a positive light, even if you only play an hour a day. It's still a total waste. "But that hour makes me happy!". Not a good reason. Plenty of other things could make you just as happy, if not happier, while also being character-building and/or productive. I really don't understand why so many gamers can't accept that some of these stereotypes actually are true. I guess they spend so much time gaming that some stereotypes are more like personal insults to them. I'm glad that TL is a lot less stubbornly thick-headed than some other communities when it comes to games.
Not everything a person does is a "character building" activity or something that works toward some greater goal. People like to do mindless stuff sometimes and games can be that outlet. Who are you to say "an hour of gaming is a waste" and "it makes me happy" is not a good enough reason? It really is a personal thing as to what activities a person finds enjoyment out of.
Moderation is the key for things like gaming.
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played for like 5 years, quit in january. Came back last month, played for a week and got bored again. KICKED THE HABIT WOOT
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My bad habit is reading news sites. I know it sounds productive, and you feel abreast of whats going on in the world... but its completely not useful for most of what I do. Do I really need to know about student riots in Chile? I've never even been to South America.
The problem with mass reading news sites is that it burns out your mind so you can't do productive things - especially if you read the comments section. (for me productive things are studying and research - things which require mental clarity and focus, which I don't have after reading some of this stuff)
TL is part of this news site addiction, but because I read blogs like this and think too much.
Gaaaaaah!
I need to find something mindless (edit. and not too fun) to procrastinate with.
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On August 10 2011 12:50 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 08:52 Swede wrote:On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me. Heaps of the stereotypes against video games are true, though, especially with WoW. It encourages poor eating, it's antisocial, it discourages physical activity, it's as much an escape from reality as some other drugs... I really don't see any way to look at WoW in a positive light, even if you only play an hour a day. It's still a total waste. "But that hour makes me happy!". Not a good reason. Plenty of other things could make you just as happy, if not happier, while also being character-building and/or productive. I really don't understand why so many gamers can't accept that some of these stereotypes actually are true. I guess they spend so much time gaming that some stereotypes are more like personal insults to them. I'm glad that TL is a lot less stubbornly thick-headed than some other communities when it comes to games. Not everything a person does is a "character building" activity or something that works toward some greater goal. People like to do mindless stuff sometimes and games can be that outlet.
You're right. Sometimes you just need to do something mindless for an hour or two - I totally understand that (there's a reason I'm a member of an SC-related forum). But in general I think it's better to aim to do things which are both relaxing and character building if possible. There's nothing to be lost and everything to be gained.
Who are you to say "an hour of gaming is a waste" and "it makes me happy" is not a good enough reason? It really is a personal thing as to what activities a person finds enjoyment out of.
Who do I have to be?
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up.
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On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me.
such a retarded post, if your playing basketball your having fun and you get things out of it like good health and your playing for fun. in wow people put themselves through misery to achieve something that in the end equates to nothing, you aren't putting yourself through grueling hours of nothingness in basketball
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On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up.
You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive.
You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this?
You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion".
It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded".
I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't.
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On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't.
Pretty much what I wanted to say in response to him. He seems to be bent on a warpath against WoW out of personal spite, and is using his opinion as fact.
Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out.
He also mentions character building...why is it that so important? Do I need to do something that fits his definition of ideal or else it is a waste?
You could even argue WoW is character building, as it teaches (for some) important social interactions and how to lead a group of people to achieve a goal.
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On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't.
First of all, how am I forcing it down your throat? I'm posting on a forum. You don't have to read my posts.
"If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive."
That's why I mentioned the Western ideology that individual happiness should be the one and only goal. I really can't be bothered going into more detail since I never intended to get into an argument with someone.
"You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples"
Actually everyone believes this. It's impossible not to believe that your opinion/belief is more correct. If you don't, why do you hold that opinion or belief?
Like I said in my last post, I don't need to be an authority. I just need to be a guy with better reasoning than another guy. It's true that I haven't really presented much of a case, though, and that's because I already know it would fall on deaf ears.
Anyway, I really should be leaving for polytech so I'll just leave it at that.
Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out.
So because watching TV is a waste of time, and a lot of people do it, that's justification for playing WoW? That's a shit argument.
Btw, I'm not on a warpath. I don't get that. You post your opinion on a forum and somebody disagrees so you reply and then "HOLY SHIT MAN! You're on a fucking warpath!".
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On August 11 2011 05:47 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't. First of all, how am I forcing it down your throat? I'm posting on a forum. You don't have to read my posts. "If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive." That's why I mentioned the Western ideology that individual happiness should be the one and only goal. I really can't be bothered going into more detail since I never intended to get into an argument with someone. "You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples" Actually everyone believes this. It's impossible not to believe that your opinion/belief is more correct. If you don't, why do you hold that opinion or belief? Like I said in my last post, I don't need to be an authority. I just need to be a guy with better reasoning than another guy. It's true that I haven't really presented much of a case, though, and that's because I already know it would fall on deaf ears. Anyway, I really should be leaving for polytech so I'll just leave it at that. Show nested quote +Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out. So because watching TV is a waste of time, and a lot of people do it, that's justification for playing WoW? That's a shit argument. Btw, I'm not on a warpath. I don't get that. You post your opinion on a forum and somebody disagrees so you reply and then "HOLY SHIT MAN! You're on a fucking warpath!".
I hate it too when someone+ Show Spoiler +Ooops, I mean some asshole who does something that is retarded
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On August 11 2011 05:47 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't. First of all, how am I forcing it down your throat? I'm posting on a forum. You don't have to read my posts. "If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive." That's why I mentioned the Western ideology that individual happiness should be the one and only goal. I really can't be bothered going into more detail since I never intended to get into an argument with someone. "You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples" Actually everyone believes this. It's impossible not to believe that your opinion/belief is more correct. If you don't, why do you hold that opinion or belief? Like I said in my last post, I don't need to be an authority. I just need to be a guy with better reasoning than another guy. It's true that I haven't really presented much of a case, though, and that's because I already know it would fall on deaf ears. Anyway, I really should be leaving for polytech so I'll just leave it at that. Show nested quote +Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out. So because watching TV is a waste of time, and a lot of people do it, that's justification for playing WoW? That's a shit argument. Btw, I'm not on a warpath. I don't get that. You post your opinion on a forum and somebody disagrees so you reply and then "HOLY SHIT MAN! You're on a fucking warpath!".
My main point is about the whole "Not all personal preferences are equal" part. It's possible that I read more into it than you meant, but to me a personal preference is by definition subjective, and thinking that there is such a thing as an objectively "better" personal preference is kind of like saying "no, you don't think this food tastes good".
That is my opinion as about the nature of personal preference and I think it is correct for various reasons but most of it boils down to the fact that you can't know what others like or don't like. I think it's possible to reach conclusions about things like the above but not about which personal preference is better than the other. For me an "objectively better way" just makes me think of intolerance and oppression. You seem to have a different outlook and I would be interested to know what that is.
Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day. I think the latter part of that sentence is kind of "shoving beliefs down someone throat". Also the phrasing is why I was lead to conclude you hated wow and most likely it was also behind the other guys statement about warpath.
obesechicken13: if you are talking about me I don't get it. Not the nicest rhetoric but there were no arguments based on personal attacks.
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Strange, your post seemed more inciteful a few hours ago. I can't find that anymore. I probably misinterpreted warpath and shoving down throat, and read what you wrote too quickly. Sorry :/
Not that it matters, but I agree that people should choose what's important for themselves too.
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On August 11 2011 09:05 Sablar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 05:47 Swede wrote:On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't. First of all, how am I forcing it down your throat? I'm posting on a forum. You don't have to read my posts. "If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive." That's why I mentioned the Western ideology that individual happiness should be the one and only goal. I really can't be bothered going into more detail since I never intended to get into an argument with someone. "You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples" Actually everyone believes this. It's impossible not to believe that your opinion/belief is more correct. If you don't, why do you hold that opinion or belief? Like I said in my last post, I don't need to be an authority. I just need to be a guy with better reasoning than another guy. It's true that I haven't really presented much of a case, though, and that's because I already know it would fall on deaf ears. Anyway, I really should be leaving for polytech so I'll just leave it at that. Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out. So because watching TV is a waste of time, and a lot of people do it, that's justification for playing WoW? That's a shit argument. Btw, I'm not on a warpath. I don't get that. You post your opinion on a forum and somebody disagrees so you reply and then "HOLY SHIT MAN! You're on a fucking warpath!". My main point is about the whole "Not all personal preferences are equal" part. It's possible that I read more into it than you meant, but to me a personal preference is by definition subjective, and thinking that there is such a thing as an objectively "better" personal preference is kind of like saying "no, you don't think this food tastes good". That is my opinion as about the nature of personal preference and I think it is correct for various reasons but most of it boils down to the fact that you can't know what others like or don't like. I think it's possible to reach conclusions about things like the above but not about which personal preference is better than the other. For me an "objectively better way" just makes me think of intolerance and oppression. You seem to have a different outlook and I would be interested to know what that is. Show nested quote +Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day. I think the latter part of that sentence is kind of "shoving beliefs down someone throat". Also the phrasing is why I was lead to conclude you hated wow and most likely it was also behind the other guys statement about warpath. obesechicken13: if you are talking about me I don't get it. Not the nicest rhetoric but there were no arguments based on personal attacks.
I wrote a big-ass post explaining my position but Firefox broke and I lost it. I'd love to rewrite it but I've already wasted enough time here. I will say that I appreciate the polite manner in which you debated with me. If only more people were like that.
I'll respond to this though, since it's short:
Show nested quote +Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day. I think the latter part of that sentence is kind of "shoving beliefs down someone throat". Also the phrasing is why I was lead to conclude you hated wow and most likely it was also behind the other guys statement about warpath.
If I told you that God is real and he's sending you to hell unless you repent, is that forcing my beliefs down your throat? It's a little forward, and maybe even a tad rude, but unless I'm being totally relentless about it it's hardly forcing anything down your throat. You can just ignore me. Likewise, if I told a full-time WoW player he's a "hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole" it's not forcing beliefs down his throat. It's just my opinion of him.
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Hey great that you are sharing this, takes a lot of courage to tell people what you go through. I'm glad you got out of it and I'm sure many people can relate to this too.
I wasted one year of my life on WoW that I can never take back. It was definitely my own fault as well for not being able to control my addiction to it but I'm glad I'm out for good now.
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