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I don't blame the game really , it is my own fault that i got so hooked with the game , i can blame only myself for that so i am not saying that the game is evil or dangerous.It is in fact a fun game and should be played at a reasonable amount daily but for me it went to far.
This is my story of which i am not proud of but i think it should be told to warn some new people who are willing to try out the game so they don't fall in the same trap as i did , i am not saying that you all are as weak as i was but nobody deserves to get into that kind of shitty life as i did from 2005 till 2008. ( i don't know the exact date because i lost time of it after playing so much WoW).
It really started way back in 2004 when i first played the warcraft 3 demo and after being so amazed of it i decided to get the full version i played the original and the expansion about 5x times and i loved the characters the story the world , everything about it really i felt great just playing that game no matter which mission i played. For me to be in that kind of world was just so magical and something different from my daily boring life.
So than in 2005 when i got something we all call the internetz it was not long until i bought World of warcraft.And than it started , the race for level 60.
I wanted to get to lvl 60 fast and that required to be awake till 2 am at first and my mom (may she rest in peace) wasn't happy with that so she turned the internet off always when i didn't want to go to bed and so i started to pretend to be asleep just so i could 30min later go out into the living room and turn the internet back on and go quietly back to my room and play till 3 am , 4 am .5 am ect ect .
I been doing that for a while until my father figured it out and caught me in the middle of the act. So i was in big trouble he started calling me a crackhead that i could not be without the computer for a week and the sad thing about is....he was right i was hooked on that game. I came home from school , ate went to the bathroom and jumped on the PC and started playing world of warcraft ,locking myself inside that beautiful world forgetting about the troubles outside of it, I got very mad if someone got into my room and i couldn't wait until they left so i could continue to play that awesome game.
I started going out less and less , i did not care about my rl friends anymore and that is when it started , my social part started to suffer , i never liked going into the cities because there were so many people , i had trouble talking to other people , i was a very shy person , i was very blank when it came to conversations , i had no real personality really i was like a freaking living corps i think you call that a zombie so yeah that would be me.
So after the fact that my father caught me i had to think of something else , i switched some cables so he thought the internet was off but in truth it wasn't and i was able to play without interruption.
I believe it took me 4 months to get from 1-60 on my first character ( yeah go ahead and laugh) my English was good back than but not that great and i had a lot of trouble completing them ,in short it took me fucking hours to do just a few.
When i finally reached level 60 i geared up a bit and joined a guild which was raiding 5x a week and oooooooooh boy that's when all hell broke lose.
A raid took 4 hours from 20:00 to 24:00. 5 times a week and that's really a lot of dedication to a game and it would not be so bad if i only played 4 hours a day really but i played from 16:00 when i got home until 1-3am when i was going to school when summer came it went damn crazy.
I remember one summer where i spent every day only inside and i am not kidding there were maybe 3 days when i went outside for a few hours the rest was just wow , wow , wow , wow , wow for 3 freaking months.I was insane and i didn't even realise back than how much time i spent playing this game.
I remember when we went out with my family for dinner or to see grandmother or any other kind of thing i kept thinking in my head how i would get home and log in and see my awesome purple character again and go grind me some gold or go raid or chat to my wow friends (which honestly the only 2 things that wow gave me was new cool friends and English skillz)
I was like this from WoW vanilla and till the very end of WoW TBC than i finally quit because i was so damn bored of the game , i spent like 4 hours every day hanging around in Iron Forge and doing nothing.So after i quit i was so used to the "daily routine" that i had sooooo much free time and i had no god damn clue what to do whit it , it took me like a month to figure out what else i could be doing and thankfully it was nothing involving the PC ,i started playing some soccer and basketball and hiking but it didnt last for long, My stupid friend convinced me to come back to WoW when wrath of the lich king came out. I came back but i never played as much as i did and somewhere in the middle of it i quit it and never came back.
Things got back to normal , i go out more now and people don't think of me as a zombie anymore.Life is good now as it should be and the past 6 months have been really great for me , i lost 40 pounds , able to run 15km and i am singing up for a marathon in a week, Life is good now and i am glad i got out of that sad life i lived back than.
Its amazing what can a video game do to you but than again its my own fault.
Anyway thanks for reading i hope you enjoyed reading it and if not sorry i sadly cant give you back those 10minutes of your life sadly  .
  
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Yeah War of Warcrack will do that, just like every other MMO.
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It's important to focus on the happiness that you got from the game while you played in my opinion, and not look back on the time in such a negative fashion. This happened to my dad when he played FFXI, he type /played and saw that he had 220 days or something like that, and he said something along the lines of "wow what a waste of time." In hindsight it may seem like it was a waste of time, but if it made you happy then I don't think it was a waste at all! Good job getting into running though and not another MMO, not many WoW players would!
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Welcome back to the living!!
I did the same rofl. outside 30degrees and i was playing 12hours a day inside
Feels good to not be forced into a rhythm anymore
I have exactly the same stories. It was the same, took me some time to get to 60, joined a casual guild which was fine. After that went to a hardcore guild and it went nuts. Only 5months ago i stopped raiding and stopped my subscription. Thankfully blizzard helped me by poor design of this expansion so i didnt enjoy it that much anymore.
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ever wished you were in a car crash or was elderly so you could play 24/7 coz there would be nothing else to get in your way
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United Arab Emirates874 Posts
Glad that you managed to break your WoW addiction and get back to real world :D.
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My circle of friends in middle school was pretty much all geeks playing video games. Then one day after watching THAT episode of South Park, I bought WoW and convinced them all to get it as well.
Those were some fun times, but it ruined my grades and as a result I didn't get accepted into a magnet high school. Looking back at it, WoW was fucking STUPID and i would of been better off playing BW.
Dammit why didn't i have friends that played RTS games!!
Sorry, thinking about WoW gets me worked up.
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On August 08 2011 04:14 LMPeaches wrote:
My circle of friends in middle school was pretty much all geeks playing video games. Then one day after watching THAT episode of South Park, I bought WoW and convinced them all to get it as well.
Those were some fun times, but it ruined my grades and as a result I didn't get accepted into a magnet high school. Looking back at it, WoW was fucking STUPID and i would of been better off playing BW.
Dammit why didn't i have friends that played RTS games!!
Sorry, thinking about WoW gets me worked up.
Ahhh yes school and grades , that fucked me up as well , i had to redo a class because of WoW  .
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Had the same problem, although I had IRL friends most of the time, then I got sick of one of them, the other one had new friends and the last one stopped @ WoW.
Whoop-di-doo, "zombie mode" as you call it for half a year was fun
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On August 08 2011 03:58 Endymion wrote:
It's important to focus on the happiness that you got from the game while you played in my opinion, and not look back on the time in such a negative fashion. This happened to my dad when he played FFXI, he type /played and saw that he had 220 days or something like that, and he said something along the lines of "wow what a waste of time." In hindsight it may seem like it was a waste of time, but if it made you happy then I don't think it was a waste at all! Good job getting into running though and not another MMO, not many WoW players would!
I don't know if it's like this in the US but when I was younger a LOT of my friends (including me) played WoW a lot, but I don't think any of them are addicted to computer games of any sort (except this one guy who I just knew was playing the game but never really talked to because he was kinda weird and loud) and most of them are physically active (a lot of us were back then too) and doing well in school etc. etc.
There is one guy that just I started to know only recently though and he's quite addicted to WoW, but I think that's more because he's had a lot on his mind lately.
When I say a lot of my friends playing WoW I mean like 20+.
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it took me like 2 years to get to lvl 60 lol. or however long it was until BWL or so and BGs. I think I've got more than 400 days played across all characters. I failed about 6 classes in high school due to WoW not to mention never having a job or girlfriend or being kissed(although some drunk slut at a club kissing everyone who was also sick doesn't really count) I'm one of those with an addictive personality, so I don't think there's going to be any getting over it. It's probably best to just come back to the game once in a while and get that serotonin high I felt all those years.
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This is why my older brother told me never to play WoW. People argue it owns Star Craft. I say it does not. People then argue it owns life. I say indeed, indeed it does. 
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I'm just addicted to computers, it doesn't matter what I play, I just can't get off the computer, aka just go home and stay on comp all day long. WoW is the game I playED because most MMO's actually put me to sleep faster than a dedicated pill. I could stay on the computer 8 hours a day doing nothing but reading forums (A lot of Teamliquid...  )
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Oh man, WoW is one of the best games of all time. OF ALL TIME!!! I don't care what you say, I will always think that (even though Starcraft is better and Cataclysm is not that great). Good thing I stopped right when I got super addicted :D
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On August 08 2011 05:09 TerraTron wrote:I'm just addicted to computers, it doesn't matter what I play, I just can't get off the computer, aka just go home and stay on comp all day long. WoW is the game I playED because most MMO's actually put me to sleep faster than a dedicated pill. I could stay on the computer 8 hours a day doing nothing but reading forums (A lot of Teamliquid... )
this seems to be what i do a lot....is this not good?
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This was basically the story of my life as well from around 7th grade till 11th grade, my friends in middle school got me into runescape, which I became addicted too and they didn't, i stayed on that and made a bunch of friends on it which I later transitioned to Wow with towards the start of TBC. From then on, my first 3 years of high school had basically no social life present, I struggled to work in groups, had trouble finding a table at lunch, and basically never spoke at all unless it was to ask a question to someone about what we were doing.
Then my senior year, I gave up the game, similarly to how you did, Wotlk was about halfway through, and it was boring as shit, and i picked up console gaming with the friends I had a long time ago that I wasn't close to anymore. But after that, I found a common ground with them, and became really close, and we are still close even now, going on my second year of college.
It's amazing what games like this can do to you, I'm glad to see you got over your addiction as well, no matter what happens do not resubscribe, there have been a few times over the past 3 years of being "nonaddicted" where I came back to it for like 3 months at a time, big mistake.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention, there was one real life friend that played wow with me, he dropped out of high school when he was 16 just to play the game, and he's on my battle.net, and is always online at all parts of the day, and hes almost 20 now.
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I play an MMO I can never escape from in this day and age. It's called the Internet.
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I had exactly the same problem with wow, 300+ days played later I discovered sc2 which I now play instead. Not as much, but I still put a lot of hours practice in.
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There are a lot of things in this post that reminds me of my own relation to WoW and gaming in general. I also used to pretend to go to bed just to stay up late playing. When I heard somebody come down the stairs to the computer room I flicked the power switch to the computer and tried to hide. Eventually I got my own computer and my mom started accepting me playing it though.
I played WoW for a couple years but in the back of my head I always felt that it was bad and I should be doing other things. It was that feeling that eventually made me quit playing, and it has definately been a good thing for me.
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I was the same way with Ultima Online back in the day. This story seems more common than people would like to admit.
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Am I the only person who plays WoW but doesn't play 24/7...?
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It's not completely your fault, the game is made to be addictive: farming daily heroics, scheduled raids, working on your professions to get gold.. If you are as competitive as I am, you would always want to be the highest DPS in raid, have higher arena ratings, have the most kills in BG..
You also don't want to leave all the friends you made inside the game behind and the fact that if you don't play regularly especially during the start of a new season you will be undergeared and useless during raids. Hell, most of the time I would just logged in to talk in the guild chat..
Personally, I still don't feel bad for sometime refusing to go out on friday nights so I could get honnor-capped with my arena partners, staying all-night at the end of season6 to receive "Duelist"... It was overall a positive experience to me and I honestly don't think playing WoW had any negative effects on me except money wise of course. Like everything though it can be abused and easily become excessive.
To be honest though, I'm pretty sure I'm going put as much time in Diablo 3 when it come out as I did in WoW and I feel damn good about it. :D
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Katowice25012 Posts
One of my best friends in undergrad dropped out of college twice because he couldn't stop playing. Too bad, super smart guy and now I haven't heard from him in years.
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I was pretty much the same, but not quite as bad.
Raided 4 nights a week for about 3-4 hours, then played another 4 hours a day or so during the summer.
Thankfully my parents are fucking awesome and keep me away from playing too much, and rarely let me play during the school year.
I do hear ya though, but im still pretty bad with video games, espcially during the summer, i play on average 7-8+ hours a day during the summer, although now its just SC2 and LoL. thankfully, i have a shitty sleep schedule (sleep about midnight or 1 to about 630), so its a long day with enough time for other things!
<3
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WoW amongst other games is like drugs; some people become users, some become abusers.
I heard it is something about the brain thinking the gold, the loot, the kills and the success is real. The brain releases the same emotional feelings when you achieve something in WoW and other similair games as you get when you achieve something in real life. It makes your brain addicted to WoW cause you subconsiously get a feeling of being successfull. Even though you are quite the opposite.
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I'm well over 200 days played on more than one character at the moment so thought I'd chime in here.
It's true that addiction, especially in a PvE environment can be all consuming in every aspect of life but it's not completely terrible. When you're in a raiding guild especially you're getting new gear for the raids, you're preparing flasks and food and potions, you're grinding HC's (Read: Hard mode dungeons for those who don't play) and the whole time you're doing it with guildies. You're spending time with friends. Sure they may not be RL friends but they're still friends, and they're almost certainly the hardest part of quitting the game for most players.
There are bad aspects and I definately went through a good 5 years of almost completely being consumed by the game. The thing with WoW is it's goal oriented, there's something to aim for. When you get there though, the "real" goal becomes apparant and that continues infinitely in all aspects of the game.
During my many years of playing (I still do play though very moderately) I owned my own place through a lot of the time so there were occasions where I'd literally spend 3-4 days playing WoW and then go to sleep through exhaustion and when I woke up jump straight back on. Alterac Valley back in the original game was a battleground where you invested so much but that one PvP match could literally take 12 hours and it was so easy to get lost in that world. Honestly I think that's the main reason they changed the Alterac Valley system, but that's going off topic. My point is with the way these goal oriented set up's work it's easy to become addicted, but I think Blizzard has gone out of their way to tone it down.
Sure there are still things like collect a lot of very rare items for a legendary, but they're easier than in the past. Sure you have to make sure you have enough money for repairs on raids, but everytime someone loots something your guild gets cash that can easily cover guild repairs. Guild challenges are stuff you'd be doing anyway that results in even more cash. Flasks, already easier than getting 2 elixirs every death, have gotten far easier to farm with flask procs and guild perks giving more herbs.
I'm still an officer in an active raiding guild, but I've ran out of things to do on WoW and it's basically boring to me now. Even dailies took a hit with daily hc quests now being a weekly cap instead. I can literally play for 5-6 hours and be set for over a month and I think it's gone so far the other way (from addiction to casual) that it's dying out. I don't think people need to be warned about the dangers of WoW as opposed to the dangers of gaming addiction in general anymore.
To conclude, it's still fun, there are still some great guilds and social environments and a lot of my friends have carried over in to SC2 and we'll no doubt meet up again in D3 with the rest of them. WoW is a good game, but as with anything, take it in moderation to keep it fun. The guild I'm in has been together more or less since the UO days, we're looking at over a decade of friendship and fun. Let's remember the good, as well as being wary of the bad.
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On August 08 2011 05:20 rift wrote:
I play an MMO I can never escape from in this day and age. It's called the Internet.
Yeah, op it's possible to lose the two best years of your life even without wow. I would know
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my experience with wow was similiar yet different from yours. i spent a fuckload of time on that game, just like many of you guys. i felt that addiction, i gotta log on and check whats up. then suddenly i cared less and less to a point where i just got bored outa my mind and quit.
but the thing was it didn't ruin my real life as much as others. my grades were fine, great. it's not cuz i'm super smart but i have some self control, i do 30 mins of hw which is enough and play wow. i did like the bare minimum but that was good enough for like 80's-90's since i can actually listen in class.
anyways on a more personal level wow didn't really fuck me up, it didn't change me. i'm not really a sociable guy anyway so i had a ton of free time. if i didn't play wow then i'd be browsing forums/watching videos for 12 hours a day. i never refused to go out with friends, when i played wow, in fact i do it more now.it's not like if i didn't play wow i'd be getting perfect grades volunteering studying reading and playing sports. it's those kinds of people who can self motivate themselves and love doing productive things who shouldn't play wow.
i miss that game though. there isn't a nicer video game related feeling to getting 2400 after months or work, getting that loot to complete your t8 set.
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Your blog definitely struck a chord with the gamer in me, OP. Gaming has sometimes been devastating, but for the most part I'd say I'm proud of it.
No regrets.
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My experience in WoW is completely different.
Leading a guild with my friends has made me many friends and connections, helped me build confidence and made me a more social person.Later on I was am officer of a top 20 US guild I formed with RL friends, a guild we started from nothing and grew.
I do not play WoW anymore, but I am definitely a more social person afterwards and the leadership and organization skills I gained as a GM/Raid Leader has benefited me greatly in my real life endeavors.
It all depends what you make of it. I have seen people waste hours running circles in Org, accomplishing nothing, and I have seen people become top people by simply only logging in for raids.
In a good guild, progression does take time and is at times brutal, but once progression is over you only raid a few times a week and expectations and pressure are low, because everything is easy. A bad guild always stays in progression and everyone in it simply ends up wasting their time.
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Priorities bro. Glad to hear you're living your life now. Everything in moderation man.
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I had a period where I was like this aswell. I wasted an entire summer on TBC raiding when I was younger (07:00 - 19:00 was farming and preparing and 20:00-03:00 raiding every day for the entire summer). Sold my account and quit after that though. Played some Cata recently and it was boring as hell.
MMORPGs, not for me
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What's the name of the website where everyone post their story about how they left wow?
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I game about 10 hours a day now during summer, super bored and everyone I know is visiting some other country now lol... should cut back on gaming and go study or sth ~~
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Allrighty, you guys with your MMORPG experience under your belts (I mean that literally), I need some advice:
I've always loved KotOR (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic; basically a Jedi RPG from Bioware), and I've played through both of them multiple times (I'm actually almost done with a re-run of the first one). Suffice to say, I'm a big affectionado, and the sweet thing is that now Bioware is coming out with, dun dun dun, TOR (The Old Republic, so KotOR but in MMORPG).
I was fortunate enough to be able to resist playing WoW, I never started, and I'm sure glad I didn't. I'm going to college next year, and I'd prefer to be able to socialize rather than be overly addivted to an MMO (to have been ranked #1 in your country at SC:BW does mean you're kinda used to not being quite the lady-killer).
Should I start playing TOR, how do I resist going overboard and completely screwing myself over, and ultimately, is it worth it?
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On August 08 2011 05:44 Mothra wrote:
I was the same way with Ultima Online back in the day. This story seems more common than people would like to admit.
Is it just me or what.
When I see someone else that knows what UO is I instantly think they are awesome. WoW sucked in comparison, but UO just couldn't ever keep up.
Uh.. Set yourself limits bITt.mAN. It's not like we can stop you from playing an MMO.
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On August 08 2011 05:52 OmiDeLta wrote:
Am I the only person who plays WoW but doesn't play 24/7...?
No, in fact lately i've only been playing like 15 minutes a week to try to get TF bindings as I don't ever feel like doing anything else when I log on.
During high school though, I played all the time, similar to the OP. School and WoW was basically all I did, I didn't "go out" ever. Eventually I got bored and quit. Reading through this thread, I see that a lot of people did the same thing. I did start playing again a few months ago on my dad's server, but it doesn't feel the same as it did back when I played all the time. Then I felt like i had to constantly be working towards some goal, now I only do things because I want to, not because I feel like I have to progress. I'm not max level yet, but I don't feel like I need to get max level asap and start raiding, like I used to. Occasionally I'll feel like I want to tank a dungeon or do some quests and I'll do it, but I don't force myself to do those things to level as fast as possible anymore. The game's much more enjoyable that way, and leaves time for other things besides WoW.
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On August 08 2011 07:02 bITt.mAN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Allrighty, you guys with your MMORPG experience under your belts (I mean that literally), I need some advice:
I've always loved KotOR (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic; basically a Jedi RPG from Bioware), and I've played through both of them multiple times (I'm actually almost done with a re-run of the first one). Suffice to say, I'm a big affectionado, and the sweet thing is that now Bioware is coming out with, dun dun dun, TOR (The Old Republic, so KotOR but in MMORPG).
I was fortunate enough to be able to resist playing WoW, I never started, and I'm sure glad I didn't. I'm going to college next year, and I'd prefer to be able to socialize rather than be overly addivted to an MMO (to have been ranked #1 in your country at SC:BW does mean you're kinda used to not being quite the lady-killer).
Should I start playing TOR, how do I resist going overboard and completely screwing myself over, and ultimately, is it worth it?
Play games that you enjoy, if you don't enjoy your spare time you'll fail at everything else anyway. Is it worth it then, most definately. So long as you control yourself and don't put things off to play (where your spare time eats in to your not so spare time) you'll do fine. If you can reach that point and are confident you can recognise it and pull back, then that's all you need.
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I dont see how anyone could feel bad about playing games that long. Your on a website called teamliquid where the point of the site is to advertise a team of DEDICATED gamers who play well over 8 hours+ per day. We all GREATLY respect these players, as well as many others (especially koreans). All of these people play HOURS AND HOURS a day and LOVE it. They have no regrets and also have SOCIAL lives. I mean look at tyler, his wife is smokin hot and no need to explain how awesome geoff is. Just play how long you want, exercise and ENJOY everything your doing.
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Think of it this way. Say you play a sport like football 2-3 hrs a day (including workouts/conditioning/training/riding back and forth from home), then 2-3 years later you arent good enough to play college(like 98% of all kids). WAS ALL THAT TIME WASTED?!?!? You got NOTHING from this but exercise and friends. YOU CAN DO THIS GAMING!~!!~~! You already get tons of friends, just go out and exercise some point every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How did playing "real sports" get you more than video games if you think of it this way?
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At least with video games you will always have them to enjoy, especially if you record your favorite moments in game.
Years later when sports become way more un accessible, you wont be able to play whenever you want. Computers are becoming more and more popular/accepted to the point where i have friends who can even play MMO's in their car now with hotspots/cheap laptops!!!!
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My first semester of college I hardly left my room =/
Quit after that thank god, but I realized how much of an addictive personality I have.
I play starcraft too much now... but it isn't nearly as bad.
@ poster above me, this post is directed at World of Warcraft, and the MMO community in general. MMOs are a huge time sink.
Starcraft is an entirely different game and we admire these people because they are truly talented. In WoW you basically have to get a group of people together and try not to be retarded.
Half the time I spent in WoW was bullshitting around doing nothing because the game is dry. Granted I had a good group of people that I enjoyed playing with so the social factor is what kept me around, it kind of makes me sad in Starcraft that I don't get a chance to come together with groups of people as often. However, these friends come and go. I've let real life relationships slip in favor of spending time online due to the game and missed opportunities that could be had in the real world.
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my experience
In high school, i was under close supervision by my parent and sibling so I always was on task with homework and work etc etc. In fact, I was the valedictorian of my class.
Then, when I started college, i had to live on campus (since it several hours away from my home). I started my first MMO and after that I was addicted. I didn't go to class nor did i even do any homework/work. I prob play from 7 AM to 5 AM on some days. For four years, I screw up my college life doing this.
At the end of my fourth year, I met up with my high school friends, who all graduate with a degree in 4 years. I felt like a big failure... after that I quit MMO all together.
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On August 08 2011 05:09 TerraTron wrote:I'm just addicted to computers, it doesn't matter what I play, I just can't get off the computer, aka just go home and stay on comp all day long. WoW is the game I playED because most MMO's actually put me to sleep faster than a dedicated pill. I could stay on the computer 8 hours a day doing nothing but reading forums (A lot of Teamliquid... )
Same here.
Sad thing : I just moved so I spent a few days without internet. I still just "browsed" my computer endlessly for 2 days after I was done setting up my new place...
I enjoy wasting time more than actually playing games I think.
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My reasoning for playing back then was to help me relax in the evenings. I stopped playing FPS games because the adrenaline would keep me up at night so WoW was a good fit. I regret playing it too much because I realized that's all I did for fun. I realized I missed out on a lot of other things I could've done. There were movies I wanted to see... but never saw them. Missed out on a ton of OTHER video games. I tunnel visioned onto WoW. Nothing wrong with that, just not inline with my goal of keeping my recreational activities a bit more varied.
As with a lot of other posts like this, it always seems to people move from one time waster to the next. Don't force yourself to do something because it makes you feel more "productive."
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Why QQ about it?
I played WoW from day 1 till i killed the Lich King, quit after and started SC2.
I played 8-10(12)hrs a day, went to raids (was in 1 of top 3 guilds on my realm)3-5 days a week, pvp'd allot..
In that time i got married and did all the things "normal" people do.
If u are a gamer- u'r a gamer.
Pople around you have to exept it, they have to love you for what u are not what u can become.
Btw i'm 30, and it's been goingong on for a while now(gaming), u can't change what/who you are.
If u think people that said u played allot were right, make up for the time u spent away from them, hang out with them, or go do what u think u should have done back when u played WoW.
Now!
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Congrats on being super healthy now, bro. 40 lbs and a 15km is no small feat! I guess we have to learn from our mistakes, try not to repeat them, etc.
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Man... in WoW vanilla I played kinda casually, had some friends in good guilds so I kind of came along for runs of BWL, MC, AQ (if you can call our attempts at AQ 'runs').. in TBC I got more serious, raiding 4 days a week for 4 hours a night, got the realm firsts for literally every single raid, and then 'quit' shortly after clearing Plateau ... In WotLK I came back with the desire to not get hooked on raiding so I became a PvPer... I then proceeded to get 2.7k as LSD (lol) and got hooked again. About a year ago I actually quit for good and started playing SC2 and LoL!
I'm glad to see other people are also breaking free!
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Glad you broke out of it. I played for a long time too. Never enough to hurt me or anything. But when i look back at my WoW playing i just think of how much fun it was raiding and pvp'ing with all my friends, many who i went to high school with. Even if i spent a lot of time playing i spent a lot of time with them and i never lost interest in playing sports or hanging out.
Hopefully anyone who has a problem like this can snap out of it or get help
Glad you got through it bud
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WoW is just the new thing to blame the problems on. The root of the problem with kids failing school and not being social is obviously sandwiches, and rock music.
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I played a lot of WoW, maybe even more than you. I had at least a year of ingame time (that is; /played >365 days) but I don't really regret it. It was what I did with my free time during high school, like all my friends, and I had a blast.
Eventually, with the newer expansions the game got boring. It probably wasn't even the expansions so much as just playing the game to the very limit. So I stopped, and now I play SC2. Probably not as much, but I play a lot. It's cool though, because if there's one thing I've realized it is that I enjoy doing it. And as long as that holds true, I'll still be gaming.
I guess my point is that there isn't really any reasons to hold so tightly to regrets. You played the game for a reason, you enjoyed it. Or am I completely wrong in that? Because I know I enjoyed it, and I've made friends through that game that I'll probably always keep in touch with.
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yeah. the toughest part about getting over an addiction is when you finally get rid of it but you are left with so much more time on your hands that you eventually go back to playing because you can't find something better to do.
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something similar happened to me in middle school with maplestory, though not to such a huge extent. when i quit i was like .....wow I have so much time
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Same thing with me, I got out after a while though.
Which can't be said about my friend, she still plays way more than what a normal person should, and she dropped out of high school to play the game more.
At the same time on the virtue of being an attractive girl gamer she gets tons of views on her justin.tv stream and makes just barely enough to live lol.
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This happened to a lot of people and honestly you're nothing special, especially because you were in high school at the time.
I was just as hooked but when I look back on it I don't really care / wouldn't have done it differently. What else was I going to do while chained to high school? It's not like I had anything else going on in life or could up and leave or something. I passed all my courses and that's all that really mattered.
Anyone who was 20+ and got hooked in the same way had it MUCH worse.
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I have 100 days playing WoW. (2400 hours)
I started at the begining of TBC. I actually really enjoyed myself playing the game, and the way my game skills improved was amazing. I learned to keybind after playing for almost a year of clicking, I learned how to not move when the boss used flame wreath, how to quickly make decisions, and maybe even basic economics. I know most people wouldn't consider WoW as a game that teaches basic skills, but I was dumb as shit when it came to teamwork, coordination, and playing games in general. This has helped me play SC2 and will help me play any other game that comes around.
There are times when I wasn't having fun and just kept playing. Those are the ones that I somewhat regret. Like the OP, I had free time and spent it sitting in Ironforge, mostly because I didn't know of many things I could do other than WoW.
And then there was the time when I spent my entire spring break trying to find the very rare spawning TLPD:
+ Show Spoiler +The "Time-Lost" Proto Drake, not the liquipedia ![[image loading]](http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/162534.jpg)
I was one of my guild's core raiders, their best mage/shaman. I started playing as a mage, but switched to a healing spec shaman towards the end of WoTLK because I was bored of raiding the same bosses for 2 months on a character I knew everything about (mage). Cataclysm rolls around, and I want to switch to my mage because I loved the class and, because of my huge amount of experience with it, I knew I could flawlessly do new content. AFTER I get to 85, my guildmaster, who is normally a great guy, told me I couldn't be in the guild if I wasn't healing. It was extremely lame and I quit soon after.
Cataclysm is a pretty boring expansion anyways from what I could see. People on any WoW forum seem to agree with me. I blame it on everything being too well designed; everything has a spot that is easy to find, blizzard is telling people where to do things (Everone is in Stormwind now as Ironforge is left to rot), getting into a dungeon is as easy as pressing a button. They even took out all of the bad talents. Players can't really make a bad talent build anymore. That is like removing all macro from SC2 build orders, so that players couldn't make mistakes.
I don't regret my playing WoW because I had a ton of fun. Even though it was 100 fucking days.
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http://wowdetox.com/
I would recommend everyone here to contribute and write their story down. If you quit, reflect back on the days you actually played and just spill your thoughts.
It felt good writing my story.
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I still have withdrawal symptoms about WoW. I can't even watch a youtube vid about it or see pictures without feeling the crave of raiding...
I spent so much money and time in that game (which I don't regret totally since I had loads of fun), but I wish I would have played a normal schedule and not be the GM/Raid Leader of a hardcore guild raiding everyday...
Still though, I did try out cataclysm and didn't have much fun the first 20 minutes so I uninstalled and have been free ever since
by the way, OP you played alliance, ewwwww!!
jk ^_^
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I can't help but get the impression that a lot of people are proud of being or having been addicted to WoW. Like this so called addiction is something cool and mature, and helped one grow as a person when getting closer to adulthood.
I don't get that impression from the OP though. Just throwing it out there because it's pretty standard for WoW players to look back and talk about how crazy they were playing so much, comparing stories about who was the worst. I doubt that it actually caused any significant trouble for most people and if there wasn't such a culture about calling it an addiction, people would look back at it in a more positive manner and not fret so much about it.
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If it's not WoW, it's always something else. I think what most people fail to realise is that you would probably just spend that time playing another game, or playing a sport, or reading a book, or watching TV, or sleeping, whatever. It doesn't matter what you do with your spare time, as long as you enjoy it.
I spent like 12 hours playing HoN on the weekend. It was a total blast. Pretty sure my life isn't ruined as a result.
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On August 08 2011 10:48 Dox wrote:
If it's not WoW, it's always something else. I think what most people fail to realise is that you would probably just spend that time playing another game, or playing a sport, or reading a book, or watching TV, or sleeping, whatever. It doesn't matter what you do with your spare time, as long as you enjoy it.
I spent like 12 hours playing HoN on the weekend. It was a total blast. Pretty sure my life isn't ruined as a result.
Except WoW eats up your all of your free time, and then spreads throughout your daily schedule like a fucking creep tumor to the point where it's real life shit that becomes free time. Extreme analogy, but this is actually true for many people, and me at one point of my life.
Quitting WoW leaves a giant void in your day and a huge problem is finding something to do. I agree with you about how most people would just spend their day doing nothing even if they quit WoW. My old friend for example quit the game and "got a life" and yet he still plays video games all day with no social life whatsoever.
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Heh, good to hear everything's good again, OP.
Played it myself for about a year, starting when the game was released. I was never obsessed with it at all, but a couple of friends I played with ended up being very much affected by the game. One of them even came to the point where he forced himself to destroy his computer in order to quit playing. My other friend went from being a healthy and fit guy to pretty much the complete opposite. Now, the former friend is doing very well, but I'm 99% sure the latter friend would've been doing so much better now had he not started playing WoW.
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On August 08 2011 10:35 Sablar wrote:
I can't help but get the impression that a lot of people are proud of being or having been addicted to WoW. Like this so called addiction is something cool and mature, and helped one grow as a person when getting closer to adulthood.
I don't get that impression from the OP though. Just throwing it out there because it's pretty standard for WoW players to look back and talk about how crazy they were playing so much, comparing stories about who was the worst. I doubt that it actually caused any significant trouble for most people and if there wasn't such a culture about calling it an addiction, people would look back at it in a more positive manner and not fret so much about it.
Many people who were addicted to it while in college have many valid regrets about it. I know I did. Back in high school, okay I can see your point - there isn't much responsibility during those times. It's more the opportunity costs involved of not enjoying other facets of life. I still think those are very important personally.
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to OP, that's called teens. some kids spend their adolescence playing bitches & gangstas, others spend it closed in their room with a computer. the problem would be if u kept playing when u were +18 or +20, but mother nature did its work and u spontaneously realized when u matured that wow wasn't any good.
you were able to go through that hard stage of life, you had a lot of fun and new sensations/experiences, and now that you're an "adult" you have a healthy standard life. what is there so bad about that?
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And about spending your time from WoW in different video games being no different, I totally disagree. Part of what makes gaming enjoyable to me is the problem solving aspect of it. I like doing challenges where I feel rewarded for how I did. I just did not get that sense of challenge or reward from WoW. When I play a game as challenging as SC/SC2, I always feel like my efforts helped make me a better player throughout many of the important decisions to be made.
I remember countless nights on WoW staying up until 4am farming shit and then going into class on little sleep. Everytime I did it, I never felt "that was totally worth staying up late for"
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I was like this from 14-16, almost completely trashed my highschool grades but somehow i managed to pass. Now i just play games in short amounts and read forums for most of my free time so i don't fall back into the trap, but i still don't have a social life and have never had a girlfriend.
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I gotta admit that browsing TL is my addiction
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although I've had a ton of unforgettable and valuable moments playing WoW with my friends, I will always regret it. My school life, my priorities, became so fucked up because I let myself get absorbed into that game. Now I just do arena with my friends. Although I'm very competitive it isn't time consuming at all as PvE raiding is. If only I was like that during my school years... But I must admit, the memories that were made were amazing, yet at a cost.
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Is this really specific to only World of Warcraft? Why pin down a single game or genre of games as being "addictive" or "bad"? BoxeR himself had issues managing RL and Star 1 if you've read his book. I have a friend who's lost two good relationships while pursuing his career in electronic music. A different person lost friends when he became "addicted" to working out. It's always good to hear when a person breaks a bad habit, but these things are inherently neutral. It's the user that causes problems, not the activity itself.
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Good thing I never got into WoW.
Monthly fee to play the damn game? No thank you.
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On August 08 2011 07:21 Sc2ttyl wrote:
I dont see how anyone could feel bad about playing games that long. Your on a website called teamliquid where the point of the site is to advertise a team of DEDICATED gamers who play well over 8 hours+ per day. We all GREATLY respect these players, as well as many others (especially koreans). All of these people play HOURS AND HOURS a day and LOVE it. They have no regrets and also have SOCIAL lives. I mean look at tyler, his wife is smokin hot and no need to explain how awesome geoff is. Just play how long you want, exercise and ENJOY everything your doing.
As someone has already mentioned in this thread, there is a big distinction between a game like WoW and a game like Sc2.
In WoW, all you need to give is your time and you will achieve the goals set out in that game. In Sc2 you really need to give more of an effort. You have to train, as opposed to merely grind. The tasks in WoW are extremely monotonous and provide almost no intellectual stimulation. In Sc2 you have to study the game, you need determination, effort, and even a bit of talent. There really is none of that in WoW.
Of course, to get philosophical you could say it doesn't matter what you actually do as long as you feel accomplished for it. In the end, you create your own reality. But I think many WoW gamers ultimately realize that their accomplishments in WoW weren't "real" and that it was all just addiction. I have never seen an accomplished StarCraft player look back on their time playing and say it was all a waste, because they know how many people have tried and failed to be good at StarCraft and they know how mentally stimulating of a game it is. For similar reasons we seldom see athletes look back on the time they spent playing a sport as a "waste" and we seldom see Chess players with similar sentiments. There is something that distinguishes these games from WoW; they have a sense of "realness" which is hard to capture with just words.
Of course I'm going to come off as an elitist, but I don't think you should tell people its "alright" to play WoW excessively just because some Sc2 pros play 8 hours a day. There is a reason why Sc2 pros are respected within the community, but the average WoW addict is considered quite ordinary.
Of course, I suppose what you're trying to say with your post is that it's alright to play games in moderation. There's nothing wrong with having a hobby, but just don't let it control you. Keep everything in balance. That I definitely agree on.
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lol reading OP felt like i was describing my own life... youll get over it.. trust me
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On August 08 2011 15:10 Divergence wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 07:21 Sc2ttyl wrote:
I dont see how anyone could feel bad about playing games that long. Your on a website called teamliquid where the point of the site is to advertise a team of DEDICATED gamers who play well over 8 hours+ per day. We all GREATLY respect these players, as well as many others (especially koreans). All of these people play HOURS AND HOURS a day and LOVE it. They have no regrets and also have SOCIAL lives. I mean look at tyler, his wife is smokin hot and no need to explain how awesome geoff is. Just play how long you want, exercise and ENJOY everything your doing. As someone has already mentioned in this thread, there is a big distinction between a game like WoW and a game like Sc2. In WoW, all you need to give is your time and you will achieve the goals set out in that game. In Sc2 you really need to give more of an effort. You have to train, as opposed to merely grind. The tasks in WoW are extremely monotonous and provide almost no intellectual stimulation. In Sc2 you have to study the game, you need determination, effort, and even a bit of talent. There really is none of that in WoW.
This is not quite correct here. You are comparing average Joe 5000 in WoW to someone with serious goals/determination in SC2.
I was heavily into WoW for quite some time and the whole reason why this happened in the first place was that me and some (RL! ) friends were running a guild. We were doing quite okay in raiding, but someone had to be the organizer. That is, the raid lead, high command, whatever.
Being along the guys who _run_ the whole raid for 40 or later 25 people requires a crapload of determination, effort and even a bit talent, I can tell you. I was the main tank plus warrior "boss", if you want to call it that way, and when the main raid leader wasn't available or needed a break, I would do it. This requires to babysit a whole bunch of people, being prepared for the encounters in the sense of knowing what _everyone_ has to do, bringing new ideas how to approach encounters which we didn't beat yet, laying down tactics in the strategy board and finally even gearing/farming for my own character (potions etc.).
I was there when people had problems, couldn't come, I searched for substitutes, etc.. The organizing and social interacting part was at least 80% of my time spent for WoW outside of the raiding itself.
The problem here is that this organizing/social interaction is exactly the part which is incredibly rewarding. Spending 4-5 hours organizing all stuff, preparing tactics etc. feels completely worth it if you manage to kill the fucking dragon in the end and was exactly the thing which got me hooked up in the end. On top of that, it wasn't easy to leave the guild as one of the most central persons in it, since you've known all the people for (literally) years, met them in RL several times, you've worked on the guild etc..
You are completely leaving this out and basically missing the point for a lot of people if you are seeing WoW as a dumb monotone grinding machine. I do realize there's others (which we also had in the guild) which had like 8 max-level chars which all were equipped ready to raid or even had PURPLEZ!!1 from raids, these guys seemed to be more addicted to gearing or collecting stuff. However, for me and most of my friends it was definately the social/"accomplishing stuff together"-side of WoW which hooked us up.
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Same here, only with with Lineage 2.
At least i got some good bucks for my account when i FINALLY quit it.
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You should totally try cataclysm in wow. The lvl 85 content is great and 70>85 is a pretty quick grind. Fuck marathons - jogging messes your knees up!
But seriously, everything in moderation should be fine.
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I played WoW from mid-2006 to January of this year, so about 4.5 years. I'm glad I picked it up at age 35 and not when I was a kid, since I had enough problems focusing on school anyway. While I really enjoyed playing for most of the time I did it, it felt pretty good to stop.
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mine was ragnarok and it took a chunk out of my life--literally. i was so groggy from playing almost 3 days straight (20 minute naps, crisps and soda, scratching myself: "hygiene") that on my way to school oblivious to everything around me *screech*my right foot got run over by a van. you'd think it was just like cartoons, no big fuss you just go: "ooh ah, ouch!"
man was i wrong.
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WoW doesnt destroy anything it is the players themself who destroy their social life.
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On August 08 2011 20:45 Skilledblob wrote:
WoW doesnt destroy anything it is the players themself who destroy their social life.
OP clearly said that
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I'm just lucky that I was never really attracted to the whole MMORPG thing or anything social to be honest :{ I hate facebook, MSN and all other things that require efforts on my part to socialize.
It's wonderful as I have the decency to get addicted to hobbies
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It's possible to get addicted to any game with a do something - get reward system. In 2004 I managed to get addicted to Yohoho: Puzzle Pirates. In 2008 I was crazily addicted to The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, which is basically a Massively Single-Player RPG as I describe it, because before then I've never played such an extensive game. There is so much to do in that game that for the entire month of July I played 10 hours per day. I skipped most of my engineering classes and nearly failed out of the program. My life would be shit if I had.
Since then I've kicked the habit and most of my video gaming has been in moderation since then. Certain new games have prompted me to play a lot, but not in a way that would cause me life troubles anymore. (Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Starcraft 2 )
I've learned though that there is much more to life than video games. Video games are an engaging and excellent way to kill time if you have the time to kill, but only when there is little else to do. This summer I've enjoyed working out and hanging out with friends as an alternative to video games. Dating would be the cherry on top if I could meet a nice girl.
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On August 08 2011 16:45 lGy wrote:
lol reading OP felt like i was describing my own life... youll get over it.. trust me
Pretty much this. I lost some friends and got them. But have the sitting in front of PC changed? well not really - now i do something else. Had some great times when i played WoW, but i won't go back. :p
Great blog btw.
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I played WoW at 2006, quit at season 4 BC, came back at WOTLK, quit again near the end. Came back for cataclysm but quit again at Jan. Thinking of coming back My school life didnt really suffer tbh, probably because im not a PVE player
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I feel like you can only get addicted to games if you have an addictive personality.
While I played the shit out of WoW, I would be more than happy to end my Saturday night raid early to go paarrrtttyyyy! Not that that is any more helpful to my grades.
:D
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I'm currently on my 3rd break from WoW. I can see how people can get addicted to it, but if you have any willpower at all you can just not play.
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World of Warcrap. I never understood why people get so hooked on that game. It's just mindless grinding as opposed to an RTS game where you get adrenaline rushes.
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Diablo 2, Final Fantasy 11, and WoW destroyed my social life from age ~12-21. Just trying to piece my social life together back together at age 22.. and it's not easy at all. I was so hooked, like 10+ hours a day easily.
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You are a courageous, responsible man. I have tons of friends that have screwed themselves and never come out of it.
Thanks for sharing.
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I was like that once, but I played silkroad, runescape, maplestory etc instead of wow (lol). It was roughly from age 14-18 but it was seldom to the extent of not going out. I enjoyed it thoroughly, RPGs can be a ton of fun when you play with friends. But soon I realized it was too time consuming and it affected my grades so I quit. I've learnt my lesson the hard way, RPGs are too dam time consuming, games like starcraft are better.
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On August 09 2011 08:50 novabossa wrote:
World of Warcrap. I never understood why people get so hooked on that game. It's just mindless grinding as opposed to an RTS game where you get adrenaline rushes.
It's pretty hard to understand unless you play it yourself. Its like immersing yourself into a virtual world where you can do all sorts of activities with your friends. People feel good playing in RPGs as you're not socially restricted. You can randomly say hi to some character you see in the dungeon or whatever. And you can get adrenaline rushes as well, for example killing a final boss and getting the rarest item ever.
Grinding I believe is to get to a point where your character is one of the strongest in your server, and people will take notice. So that's most people's motivation for grinding, to be the best of the best. Dam I sound like a nerd
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On August 09 2011 08:50 novabossa wrote:
World of Warcrap. I never understood why people get so hooked on that game. It's just mindless grinding as opposed to an RTS game where you get adrenaline rushes.
Read my earlier post. If you don't know shit about the game and its features, don't judge it.
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I really tried to max a character on wow. Every time I played though it felt like time was slipping by. That precious time. I value my time far too much to play wow seriously. It's fun, but not fun enough.
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On August 08 2011 03:53 Knap4life wrote:
My stupid friend convinced me to come back to WoW when wrath of the lich king came out. I came back but i never played as much as i did and somewhere in the middle of it i quit it and never came back.
This reminds me of a lot of my friends who got hooked on WoW. Gradually a lot of them cut back play time, quit, and started talking about how much time they poured into the game that they wish they had back.
And then Cataclysm came out.
A majority of them were lured back by simple phrases like "It's really different!". Many of them still play at least a few hours a day, but I think it's a little amusing that all the resolve they had about the time they supposedly wasted disappeared!
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On August 08 2011 05:01 Roe wrote:
it took me like 2 years to get to lvl 60 lol. or however long it was until BWL or so and BGs. I think I've got more than 400 days played across all characters. I failed about 6 classes in high school due to WoW not to mention never having a job or girlfriend or being kissed(although some drunk slut at a club kissing everyone who was also sick doesn't really count) I'm one of those with an addictive personality, so I don't think there's going to be any getting over it. It's probably best to just come back to the game once in a while and get that serotonin high I felt all those years.
Oh my God, do you listen to yourself?
"I'm have an addictive personality so I will do anything I fucking please."
That is my biggest pet peeve in the entire world. I have a close friend with the same fucked up philosophy. Hes like, "I have an addictive personality, so I'm gonna get addicted to cigarettes and drugs anyways...I may as well just start doing them now." And now he does drugs and smokes cigarettes even though his closest friends have never even touched a cigarette.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. If you have an addictive personality, it means you have to try MORE, not less, to avoid becoming a waste of life. I don't care if your dad does drugs, or is an alcoholic, or whatever has psychologically damaged you to have this philosophy - you have to grow up and take some control over your life.
There are plenty of people who easily become addicted to things who fight harder to avoid succumbing to it. Get a therapist or something - if you honest to God believe in your philosophy then they may just open your eyes to how stupid you're being, and how your belief that you can't fight addiction is really just because you weren't nurtured properly as a child.
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WoW screwed up my academics too. However, managed to quit after the fears of RL really hit me. Can't mooch off the parents forever.
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i didn't play wow, but i played ff11. it destroyed me mentally.
i didn't even get to endgame. i heard leveling is much different and easier now, but back then it was the biggest grind of grinds, and most of the time you spent was waiting for a party. many times, there would be 3 hours before a class starts so i'd fire up the game. i'd only get into a party 30 minutes before class, so i figured, fuck class, let's play.
there was a lot to get addicted to, but basically it was chasing that elusive carrot on a stick. once you got the carrot, you would use that carrot to get an even bigger carrot. then when you look behind you, you look at all the carrots you got, and it's really hard to take it and throw it all away.
replace carrots with items or leveling, and that's my experience with mmos.
i was also sick of the lack of skill. the game was so braindead easy, and yet people were so horrible at it. when i look back i can't really say i was "good" at the game, because everything i was doing was pretty much the same things i was doing weeks before.
i decided to give it up, and the following weeks were extremely tough on me. i still wouldn't go to class. there was just a mental guard block where i would literally sit there and do nothing even though i should go to class. engineering is also a discipline where everything builds on itself, and i never managed to recover completely... enough to graduate, but far below my potential.
i never had a social life anyway so that wasn't destroyed. heh.
nowadays, i can't touch an MMO. i have so many negative experiences. i played the WoW demo a few years ago, and i knew where it was going, so i couldn't get into it.
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@kainzero, FF11 in hindsight is a terrible game. I played it for about a year and got to 70~. The leveling in that game was broken. The reliance on groups only was terrible. I had it easy as a black mage which meant I didn't have to wait long for groups, but even still the actual combat was terrible. Find a spot, pull a monster to said spot, push one button over and over...repeat for 10 hours a day. I quit that as soon as WoW came out.
I won't go into the huge wall of text story, but I played WoW since the beginning. When WOTLK came out I said screw college and didn't drop out, just flunked all my classes to stay home and play 12-14 hours a day. It's pretty sickening. I eventually dropped and put my life back together and was able to still play it just fine without it interrupting social or school life. This year after cataclysm came out I finally quit in like February. It's so dull compared to other games. You're doing the same crap at level 85 now that you were doing a couple months before in WotlK. Run heroics all day, run BGs all day, do 10 games a week, do a raid. It gets dumb.
I had 8 level 80s and 2 level 85s, game was stupid easy and when you step back from it you realize how boring and non-innovative it has been in YEARS. Makes you wonder how so many people are terrible at it to be honest. I seriously can't explain the level of terrible that you find in random heroics.
At least I'm back to playing man games like SC2 and BFBC2.
My XFIRE showed 9400 hours~ played in just WoW...
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Can't really imagine what the previous life must have been like, good job getting out!
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Great job leaving this dismal time spiral. It's not a game. Congrats on freeing yourself. Don't pay attention to those who are still mired within it's neon claws. Their prison is invisible until they are near out.
(For people who will say I don't know shit about WoW - their common tactic - I was the second owner of Thunderfury)
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12-15% of the population has an addictive personalities.
These are the type of people that should NOT smoke, drink, do drugs, or play MMOs.
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As long as you can control yourself, playing WoW is completely fine. You can have a perfectly "normal" life and play a good amount of WoW every day.
But yeah, if you cannot control it, don't try it
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Ans then you found sc2....
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Addictive personalities isn't really something concrete and more of a construct.
What I mean by that is that noone is born with an addictive personality. People are predisposed to behavior and are more likely to become alcoholics or whatever, but that doesn't mean they must be or will be, it just means that the odds are worse (and usually not that horrible anyway, 10x chance that something unlikely will occur is still often unlikely). There is no such thing as an inherent attribute of addiction since life will shape us in different ways both in a learning and in a genetic sense (which genes are active).
On one hand thinking "I have an addictive personality so I need to be careful" can be an insight. But a young person saying "I have an addictive personality so I can't help but do X" - that isn't an insight and it's just a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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This was 7th grade for me.
Luckily, some girls flirted with me in 8th grade and so i quit wow so inwould have time to get some.
Sluts saved me from playing the UP class that is the rogue.
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i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me.
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On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me.
Are you trying to defend your addiction or something? Your post doesn't make any sense otherwise.
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My brother's high school years were the same but with Diablo 2! lol
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On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me.
Heaps of the stereotypes against video games are true, though, especially with WoW. It encourages poor eating, it's antisocial, it discourages physical activity, it's as much an escape from reality as some other drugs... I really don't see any way to look at WoW in a positive light, even if you only play an hour a day. It's still a total waste. "But that hour makes me happy!". Not a good reason. Plenty of other things could make you just as happy, if not happier, while also being character-building and/or productive.
I really don't understand why so many gamers can't accept that some of these stereotypes actually are true. I guess they spend so much time gaming that some stereotypes are more like personal insults to them.
I'm glad that TL is a lot less stubbornly thick-headed than some other communities when it comes to games.
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On August 10 2011 08:52 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me. Heaps of the stereotypes against video games are true, though, especially with WoW. It encourages poor eating, it's antisocial, it discourages physical activity, it's as much an escape from reality as some other drugs... I really don't see any way to look at WoW in a positive light, even if you only play an hour a day. It's still a total waste. "But that hour makes me happy!". Not a good reason. Plenty of other things could make you just as happy, if not happier, while also being character-building and/or productive. I really don't understand why so many gamers can't accept that some of these stereotypes actually are true. I guess they spend so much time gaming that some stereotypes are more like personal insults to them. I'm glad that TL is a lot less stubbornly thick-headed than some other communities when it comes to games.
Not everything a person does is a "character building" activity or something that works toward some greater goal. People like to do mindless stuff sometimes and games can be that outlet. Who are you to say "an hour of gaming is a waste" and "it makes me happy" is not a good enough reason? It really is a personal thing as to what activities a person finds enjoyment out of.
Moderation is the key for things like gaming.
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played for like 5 years, quit in january. Came back last month, played for a week and got bored again. KICKED THE HABIT WOOT
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My bad habit is reading news sites. I know it sounds productive, and you feel abreast of whats going on in the world... but its completely not useful for most of what I do. Do I really need to know about student riots in Chile? I've never even been to South America.
The problem with mass reading news sites is that it burns out your mind so you can't do productive things - especially if you read the comments section. (for me productive things are studying and research - things which require mental clarity and focus, which I don't have after reading some of this stuff)
TL is part of this news site addiction, but because I read blogs like this and think too much.
Gaaaaaah!
I need to find something mindless (edit. and not too fun) to procrastinate with.
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On August 10 2011 12:50 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 08:52 Swede wrote:On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me. Heaps of the stereotypes against video games are true, though, especially with WoW. It encourages poor eating, it's antisocial, it discourages physical activity, it's as much an escape from reality as some other drugs... I really don't see any way to look at WoW in a positive light, even if you only play an hour a day. It's still a total waste. "But that hour makes me happy!". Not a good reason. Plenty of other things could make you just as happy, if not happier, while also being character-building and/or productive. I really don't understand why so many gamers can't accept that some of these stereotypes actually are true. I guess they spend so much time gaming that some stereotypes are more like personal insults to them. I'm glad that TL is a lot less stubbornly thick-headed than some other communities when it comes to games. Not everything a person does is a "character building" activity or something that works toward some greater goal. People like to do mindless stuff sometimes and games can be that outlet.
You're right. Sometimes you just need to do something mindless for an hour or two - I totally understand that (there's a reason I'm a member of an SC-related forum). But in general I think it's better to aim to do things which are both relaxing and character building if possible. There's nothing to be lost and everything to be gained.
Who are you to say "an hour of gaming is a waste" and "it makes me happy" is not a good enough reason? It really is a personal thing as to what activities a person finds enjoyment out of.
Who do I have to be?
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up.
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On August 10 2011 04:51 Brees wrote:
i wonder if you would write this if you spent all day playing basketball then didn't make the pros?
stereotypes against video games bother me.
such a retarded post, if your playing basketball your having fun and you get things out of it like good health and your playing for fun. in wow people put themselves through misery to achieve something that in the end equates to nothing, you aren't putting yourself through grueling hours of nothingness in basketball
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On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up.
You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive.
You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this?
You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion".
It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded".
I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't.
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On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't.
Pretty much what I wanted to say in response to him. He seems to be bent on a warpath against WoW out of personal spite, and is using his opinion as fact.
Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out.
He also mentions character building...why is it that so important? Do I need to do something that fits his definition of ideal or else it is a waste?
You could even argue WoW is character building, as it teaches (for some) important social interactions and how to lead a group of people to achieve a goal.
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On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't.
First of all, how am I forcing it down your throat? I'm posting on a forum. You don't have to read my posts.
"If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive."
That's why I mentioned the Western ideology that individual happiness should be the one and only goal. I really can't be bothered going into more detail since I never intended to get into an argument with someone.
"You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples"
Actually everyone believes this. It's impossible not to believe that your opinion/belief is more correct. If you don't, why do you hold that opinion or belief?
Like I said in my last post, I don't need to be an authority. I just need to be a guy with better reasoning than another guy. It's true that I haven't really presented much of a case, though, and that's because I already know it would fall on deaf ears.
Anyway, I really should be leaving for polytech so I'll just leave it at that.
Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out.
So because watching TV is a waste of time, and a lot of people do it, that's justification for playing WoW? That's a shit argument.
Btw, I'm not on a warpath. I don't get that. You post your opinion on a forum and somebody disagrees so you reply and then "HOLY SHIT MAN! You're on a fucking warpath!".
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On August 11 2011 05:47 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't. First of all, how am I forcing it down your throat? I'm posting on a forum. You don't have to read my posts. "If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive." That's why I mentioned the Western ideology that individual happiness should be the one and only goal. I really can't be bothered going into more detail since I never intended to get into an argument with someone. "You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples" Actually everyone believes this. It's impossible not to believe that your opinion/belief is more correct. If you don't, why do you hold that opinion or belief? Like I said in my last post, I don't need to be an authority. I just need to be a guy with better reasoning than another guy. It's true that I haven't really presented much of a case, though, and that's because I already know it would fall on deaf ears. Anyway, I really should be leaving for polytech so I'll just leave it at that. Show nested quote +Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out. So because watching TV is a waste of time, and a lot of people do it, that's justification for playing WoW? That's a shit argument. Btw, I'm not on a warpath. I don't get that. You post your opinion on a forum and somebody disagrees so you reply and then "HOLY SHIT MAN! You're on a fucking warpath!".
I hate it too when someone+ Show Spoiler +Ooops, I mean some asshole who does something that is retarded
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On August 11 2011 05:47 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't. First of all, how am I forcing it down your throat? I'm posting on a forum. You don't have to read my posts. "If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive." That's why I mentioned the Western ideology that individual happiness should be the one and only goal. I really can't be bothered going into more detail since I never intended to get into an argument with someone. "You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples" Actually everyone believes this. It's impossible not to believe that your opinion/belief is more correct. If you don't, why do you hold that opinion or belief? Like I said in my last post, I don't need to be an authority. I just need to be a guy with better reasoning than another guy. It's true that I haven't really presented much of a case, though, and that's because I already know it would fall on deaf ears. Anyway, I really should be leaving for polytech so I'll just leave it at that. Show nested quote +Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out. So because watching TV is a waste of time, and a lot of people do it, that's justification for playing WoW? That's a shit argument. Btw, I'm not on a warpath. I don't get that. You post your opinion on a forum and somebody disagrees so you reply and then "HOLY SHIT MAN! You're on a fucking warpath!".
My main point is about the whole "Not all personal preferences are equal" part. It's possible that I read more into it than you meant, but to me a personal preference is by definition subjective, and thinking that there is such a thing as an objectively "better" personal preference is kind of like saying "no, you don't think this food tastes good".
That is my opinion as about the nature of personal preference and I think it is correct for various reasons but most of it boils down to the fact that you can't know what others like or don't like. I think it's possible to reach conclusions about things like the above but not about which personal preference is better than the other. For me an "objectively better way" just makes me think of intolerance and oppression. You seem to have a different outlook and I would be interested to know what that is.
Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day. I think the latter part of that sentence is kind of "shoving beliefs down someone throat". Also the phrasing is why I was lead to conclude you hated wow and most likely it was also behind the other guys statement about warpath.
obesechicken13: if you are talking about me I don't get it. Not the nicest rhetoric but there were no arguments based on personal attacks.
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Strange, your post seemed more inciteful a few hours ago. I can't find that anymore. I probably misinterpreted warpath and shoving down throat, and read what you wrote too quickly. Sorry :/
Not that it matters, but I agree that people should choose what's important for themselves too.
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On August 11 2011 09:05 Sablar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 05:47 Swede wrote:On August 10 2011 22:29 Sablar wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 Swede wrote:
I'm a person with legitimate criticisms of that line of thinking - that 'it makes me happy' can be the sole justification for something. I don't care if it's a personal preference. Not all personal preferences are equal. Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day.
The whole 'who are you to say x" thing is silly. Sure, I'm not God. Maybe I'm just nobody. But I can't see you poking any holes in an argument that says more productivity for a cost is better than less productivity for the same cost. Your question ('who are you to say x') is nothing more than a dodge.
I could go on to criticise the Western ideology of individual happiness being paramount, but almost everybody is so tangled up in that philosophy that it's a waste of time.
I don't know how I ended up going on such a tangent. I guess this 'it makes me happy' business just gets me riled up. You are defining productivity based on your standards, and productivity in itself is nothing when there is no goal to be productive towards. If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive. You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples and I think that is a dangerous line of reasoning. Like people can't think for themselves and needs to be taken care of. You state that WoW is horrible in many ways yet give no reasoning behind why and you have no sources, the logical question is: what kind of authority are you to say this? You could argue that things like excercise make most people happier, but not that it is necessary for everyones life, nor that everyone even wants to be happier. You can define productive as mentally challenging and stimulating and most people would find certain activities to be better for this goal, but that doesn't mean that it is in any way the "better opinion". It all boils down to your opinion and it's not worth a lot. I could just as easily say that whatever you do in your life is total bullshit and argue that "not all personal preferences are equal". Kind of a stalemate when 2 people sit and say to each other "this is what is important for me, thus what you are doing is retarded". I don't know why you hate WoW so much. I personally don't find it productive either but that is my opinion and I wouldn't force it down anyones throat in the same sentence that I say I won't. First of all, how am I forcing it down your throat? I'm posting on a forum. You don't have to read my posts. "If that goal is "be happy" doing things that "makes me happy" is awfully productive." That's why I mentioned the Western ideology that individual happiness should be the one and only goal. I really can't be bothered going into more detail since I never intended to get into an argument with someone. "You seem to believe that your opinions and beliefs are more correct than other peoples" Actually everyone believes this. It's impossible not to believe that your opinion/belief is more correct. If you don't, why do you hold that opinion or belief? Like I said in my last post, I don't need to be an authority. I just need to be a guy with better reasoning than another guy. It's true that I haven't really presented much of a case, though, and that's because I already know it would fall on deaf ears. Anyway, I really should be leaving for polytech so I'll just leave it at that. Sure WoW is a waste of time in hindsight, but when playing it (and in some form of moderation) it is no more dangerous than watching TV, etc. Some would say working out for 4 hours a day is a waste of time, because they could care less about being fit. Doesn't mean they should go on a warpath against all people working out. So because watching TV is a waste of time, and a lot of people do it, that's justification for playing WoW? That's a shit argument. Btw, I'm not on a warpath. I don't get that. You post your opinion on a forum and somebody disagrees so you reply and then "HOLY SHIT MAN! You're on a fucking warpath!". My main point is about the whole "Not all personal preferences are equal" part. It's possible that I read more into it than you meant, but to me a personal preference is by definition subjective, and thinking that there is such a thing as an objectively "better" personal preference is kind of like saying "no, you don't think this food tastes good". That is my opinion as about the nature of personal preference and I think it is correct for various reasons but most of it boils down to the fact that you can't know what others like or don't like. I think it's possible to reach conclusions about things like the above but not about which personal preference is better than the other. For me an "objectively better way" just makes me think of intolerance and oppression. You seem to have a different outlook and I would be interested to know what that is. Show nested quote +Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day. I think the latter part of that sentence is kind of "shoving beliefs down someone throat". Also the phrasing is why I was lead to conclude you hated wow and most likely it was also behind the other guys statement about warpath. obesechicken13: if you are talking about me I don't get it. Not the nicest rhetoric but there were no arguments based on personal attacks.
I wrote a big-ass post explaining my position but Firefox broke and I lost it. I'd love to rewrite it but I've already wasted enough time here. I will say that I appreciate the polite manner in which you debated with me. If only more people were like that.
I'll respond to this though, since it's short:
Show nested quote +Now, I'm not gonna shove my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I'm sure as hell gonna tell them that they're a hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole for playing WoW 8 hours a day. I think the latter part of that sentence is kind of "shoving beliefs down someone throat". Also the phrasing is why I was lead to conclude you hated wow and most likely it was also behind the other guys statement about warpath.
If I told you that God is real and he's sending you to hell unless you repent, is that forcing my beliefs down your throat? It's a little forward, and maybe even a tad rude, but unless I'm being totally relentless about it it's hardly forcing anything down your throat. You can just ignore me. Likewise, if I told a full-time WoW player he's a "hedonistic, non-contributing, self-centered asshole" it's not forcing beliefs down his throat. It's just my opinion of him.
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Hey great that you are sharing this, takes a lot of courage to tell people what you go through. I'm glad you got out of it and I'm sure many people can relate to this too.
I wasted one year of my life on WoW that I can never take back. It was definitely my own fault as well for not being able to control my addiction to it but I'm glad I'm out for good now.
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