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Hi
Ive been following the streams of both Sheth and Destiny for a while now and have come to the conclusion that they are both amazing zerg players. Sheth has a lot of experiance, played on the korean level and has amazing macro skills. Done well at the NASL, GSTL, and other major tournaments. All this success and skill and hes still without a team? FXO really screwed...imo... by releasing Sheth.
Destiny.... where to begin? True he has no major tournament wins, but i think he is the most under-rated player in the SC2 scene. He has amazing control, superb creativity, and really understands the game. He took a game of Socke, beat Machine, beat Huk couple of times (true the last couple were on ladder... but you beat any of them on ladder without cheesing..or with) and beat Rain in a bo5. He is very ambitious and is actually wants to go to Korea to play. Why did no team sign him yet???? He is this good without any serious training. His only practice is from laddering, but he cant do that often because of lessons and SOTIS urges. Imagine if he was on a pro team with pro teammates and training partners. How much better would he be??
I think teams who want to improve their roster should get moving quick. Sheth and Destiny are two weapons needed in every proteams arsenal.
So teams get at them...heres looking at you RGN
P.S. another thing i forgot to mention is that they are both famous in the Sc2 scene so every team will benefit from a little more fame.
P.S.S. Hopefully posting here is ok sorry second thread ever 
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Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol
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On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol
He fit very well into ROOT Gaming and still plays / lives with (I'm assuming, since I hear him all the time in the background) with CatZ, it's just the issues that came up with coL.
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On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol
Lol sc2 isnot a team sport. Thats like saying Swimming, wrestling, and track are team sports.
That being said, i disagree completly, in ROOT he was very friendly and a teammate
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I believe teams dont want to sign Destiny in because of his BM. Though that is very short sighted. We all know as viewers of his stream that he is indeed, at least has the potential of being a ultra super good zerg player if given the best of the best practice sessions with other professionals.
As for Sheth, only a matter of time.
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On July 28 2011 12:16 AWOT wrote:
I believe teams dont want to sign Destiny in because of his BM. Though that is very short sighted. We all know as viewers of his stream that he is indeed, at least has the potential of being a ultra super good zerg player if given the best of the best practice sessions with other professionals.
As for Sheth, only a matter of time.
True about the BM... but hey look at Major... Sixjax signed him... and whatabout Idra.. hes bm on a profesional level like in tournaments and such, desinty is just BM on his stream.
And i hope sheth and destiny go together to a team, i think thed be cool training partners
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On July 28 2011 12:10 atomic55 wrote:Hi Ive been following the streams of both Sheth and Destiny for a while now and have come to the conclusion that they are both amazing zerg players. Sheth has a lot of experiance, played on the korean level and has amazing macro skills. Done well at the NASL, GSTL, and other major tournaments. All this success and skill and hes still without a team? FXO really screwed...imo... by releasing Sheth. Destiny.... where to begin? True he has no major tournament wins, but i think he is the most under-rated player in the SC2 scene. He has amazing control, superb creativity, and really understands the game. He took a game of Socke, beat Machine, beat Huk couple of times (true the last couple were on ladder... but you beat any of them on ladder without cheesing..or with) and beat Rain in a bo5. He is very ambitious and is actually wants to go to Korea to play. Why did no team sign him yet???? He is this good without any serious training. His only practice is from laddering, but he cant do that often because of lessons and SOTIS urges. Imagine if he was on a pro team with pro teammates and training partners. How much better would he be?? I think teams who want to improve their roster should get moving quick. Sheth and Destiny are two weapons needed in every proteams arsenal. So teams get at them...heres looking at you RGN P.S. another thing i forgot to mention is that they are both famous in the Sc2 scene so every team will benefit from a little more fame. P.S.S. Hopefully posting here is ok sorry second thread ever
Destiny/sheth WERE on pro teams with practise partners and both have split. Its not a case of they are good and have not been picked up, its a case of they were picked up and something maybe went wrong. Also destiny probably wouldn't be allowed to stream as much if he was to join a team due to practise etc.
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sheth will be signed after this mlg for sure.
destiny doesn't care/want to be on a team. which is stupid imo but his choices are his choices.
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Destiny was offered to join coL and was going to but declined.
Sheth asked to leave FXO. They're an international team and Sheth isn't an international player. It made the most sense.
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On July 28 2011 12:18 SirMilford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:10 atomic55 wrote:Hi Ive been following the streams of both Sheth and Destiny for a while now and have come to the conclusion that they are both amazing zerg players. Sheth has a lot of experiance, played on the korean level and has amazing macro skills. Done well at the NASL, GSTL, and other major tournaments. All this success and skill and hes still without a team? FXO really screwed...imo... by releasing Sheth. Destiny.... where to begin? True he has no major tournament wins, but i think he is the most under-rated player in the SC2 scene. He has amazing control, superb creativity, and really understands the game. He took a game of Socke, beat Machine, beat Huk couple of times (true the last couple were on ladder... but you beat any of them on ladder without cheesing..or with) and beat Rain in a bo5. He is very ambitious and is actually wants to go to Korea to play. Why did no team sign him yet???? He is this good without any serious training. His only practice is from laddering, but he cant do that often because of lessons and SOTIS urges. Imagine if he was on a pro team with pro teammates and training partners. How much better would he be?? I think teams who want to improve their roster should get moving quick. Sheth and Destiny are two weapons needed in every proteams arsenal. So teams get at them...heres looking at you RGN P.S. another thing i forgot to mention is that they are both famous in the Sc2 scene so every team will benefit from a little more fame. P.S.S. Hopefully posting here is ok sorry second thread ever Destiny/sheth WERE on pro teams with practise partners and both have split. Its not a case of they are good and have not been picked up, its a case of they were picked up and something maybe went wrong. Also destiny probably wouldn't be allowed to stream as much if he was to join a team due to practise etc.
Destiny wants to be on a team.. no one was smart enough to ask him yet...besides RATZ lol.
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On July 28 2011 12:23 rS.eZrA wrote:
Destiny was offered to join coL and was going to but declined.
Sheth asked to leave FXO. They're an international team and Sheth isn't an international player. It made the most sense.
Destiny was on CoL but they wanted him to moderate his stream. Plus he didnt want to join CoL in general but had to do it so the aqusition of root be succesful
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Destiny can't be on a team that wants a good reputation. He makes more from Streaming so quitting that for a team salary doesn't make sense.
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Destiny - people have thought he's overrated for so long he's become underrated. He's improved a ton in the last 4-5 months imo. He's super creative, and his infestor-based style is sooo fun to watch. He gets insane value out of them. He beat Bomber in a BO3 and has taken games off some really, really good pros. I don't really agree with his "anyone should be able to say anything they want all the time" attitude but as a player he's the real deal.
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On July 28 2011 12:31 Kluey wrote:
Destiny can't be on a team that wants a good reputation. He makes more from Streaming so quitting that for a team salary doesn't make sense.
Why can't he still stream?
He was streaming when he was on Root.
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Sase as well! I'm sure him and sheth will find teams though, destiny probably could too if he wanted a team
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On July 28 2011 12:38 KingRajesh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:31 Kluey wrote:
Destiny can't be on a team that wants a good reputation. He makes more from Streaming so quitting that for a team salary doesn't make sense. Why can't he still stream? He was streaming when he was on Root.
The only reason it's an issue is because Destiny is a high profile case.
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On July 28 2011 12:44 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:38 KingRajesh wrote:On July 28 2011 12:31 Kluey wrote:
Destiny can't be on a team that wants a good reputation. He makes more from Streaming so quitting that for a team salary doesn't make sense. Why can't he still stream? He was streaming when he was on Root. The only reason it's an issue is because Destiny is a high profile case.
What do u mean high profile? How so... his stream is his stream, he has never made any scene or bm during a tournament. There are other more high profile players on teams already!
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Just throwing it out there. Destiny is making more money than most pro-gamers and has more name recongition right now without being on a team.
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Destiny tried it out with Complexity but he found he couldn't handle the restrictions the contract with Complexity gave him. He offered his resignation with CoL within a few days and has not found a team since.
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On July 28 2011 12:15 atomic55 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol Lol sc2 isnot a team sport. Thats like saying Swimming, wrestling, and track are team sports. That being said, i disagree completly, in ROOT he was very friendly and a teammate
Only people who have never swam, wrestled, or ran competitively would ever say that.
Sure, they aren't technically team sports. But try training to stay competitive without a team and see how far you get. Being part of a team is essential, because it's (almost) impossible to motivate and challenge yourself enough alone.
I imagine SC2 is similar.
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On July 28 2011 12:58 theonemephisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:15 atomic55 wrote:On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol Lol sc2 isnot a team sport. Thats like saying Swimming, wrestling, and track are team sports. That being said, i disagree completly, in ROOT he was very friendly and a teammate Only people who have never swam, wrestled, or ran competitively would ever say that. Sure, they aren't technically team sports. But try training to stay competitive without a team and see how far you get. Being part of a team is essential, because it's (almost) impossible to motivate and challenge yourself enough alone. I imagine SC2 is similar.
Neither of those are "Team" sports...
You swim ALONE, you wrestle ALONE, what the hell are you talking about?
I played Varsity Soccer, that's a "Team" sport, do you not understand?
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On July 28 2011 12:49 atomic55 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:44 KimJongChill wrote:On July 28 2011 12:38 KingRajesh wrote:On July 28 2011 12:31 Kluey wrote:
Destiny can't be on a team that wants a good reputation. He makes more from Streaming so quitting that for a team salary doesn't make sense. Why can't he still stream? He was streaming when he was on Root. The only reason it's an issue is because Destiny is a high profile case. What do u mean high profile? How so... his stream is his stream, he has never made any scene or bm during a tournament. There are other more high profile players on teams already!
People made a really big deal about it a month or two ago, and now Destiny's "bad" behavior is in the public spotlight. There will be intense scrutiny over his actions should he join a team, and the standards to which he will be held will doubtless be much more stringent than had people conjured up that whole language/political correctness debate.
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On July 28 2011 12:53 wonderwall wrote:
Just throwing it out there. Destiny is making more money than most pro-gamers and has more name recongition right now without being on a team.
Idk i think he'll want to participate in tournaments too, he said he wanted to play in the gsl, asked cella about code A
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On July 28 2011 12:58 theonemephisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:15 atomic55 wrote:On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol Lol sc2 isnot a team sport. Thats like saying Swimming, wrestling, and track are team sports. That being said, i disagree completly, in ROOT he was very friendly and a teammate Only people who have never swam, wrestled, or ran competitively would ever say that. Sure, they aren't technically team sports. But try training to stay competitive without a team and see how far you get. Being part of a team is essential, because it's (almost) impossible to motivate and challenge yourself enough alone. I imagine SC2 is similar.
Lol, i swam varsity for my high school, fly 100 and both relays. Swimming is really not a team sport. The only good thing was that there were other people there suffereing with me during morning practice, but you swim/race alone. Same with sc2. You have people helping you out and keeping you entertained...but you play alone...unless u 2v2 ofc.
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On July 28 2011 12:15 atomic55 wrote:
Lol sc2 isnot a team sport. Thats like saying Swimming, wrestling, and track are team sports.
That being said, i disagree completly, in ROOT he was very friendly and a teammate
Even though it's not necessarily a team sport, having a team is a huge benefit. You have a guaranteed support system, people who are always at your level to practice with, as well as the potential for coaches. Having a team is so beneficial to basically every sport, including wrestling,track,etc.
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On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol
Yeah you really need good team work in 1v1s....
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On July 28 2011 13:12 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol Yeah you really need good team work in 1v1s....
Everyone here is aware of the lack of teamwork in a 1v1. However, being in a team is crucial, as having teammates to practice with, and to discuss strategy with, is really beneficial.
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On July 28 2011 13:25 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 13:12 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol Yeah you really need good team work in 1v1s.... Everyone here is aware of the lack of teamwork in a 1v1. However, being in a team is crucial, as having teammates to practice with, and to discuss strategy with, is really beneficial.
i have confidence destiny can find plenty of quality practice partners to talk/play with even without a team.
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sorry but Sheth and FXO parted as FXO and Sheth had currently different goals. Possible he doesnt want to join a team just yet, and Destiny seems tyo prefer being a free agent atm anyway.
Both would get picked up very easily if they wanted it and possibily they will!!
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On July 28 2011 13:01 rS.eZrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:58 theonemephisto wrote:On July 28 2011 12:15 atomic55 wrote:On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol Lol sc2 isnot a team sport. Thats like saying Swimming, wrestling, and track are team sports. That being said, i disagree completly, in ROOT he was very friendly and a teammate Only people who have never swam, wrestled, or ran competitively would ever say that. Sure, they aren't technically team sports. But try training to stay competitive without a team and see how far you get. Being part of a team is essential, because it's (almost) impossible to motivate and challenge yourself enough alone. I imagine SC2 is similar. Neither of those are "Team" sports... You swim ALONE, you wrestle ALONE, what the hell are you talking about? I played Varsity Soccer, that's a "Team" sport, do you not understand?
On July 28 2011 13:08 atomic55 wrote:
Lol, i swam varsity for my high school, fly 100 and both relays. Swimming is really not a team sport. The only good thing was that there were other people there suffereing with me during morning practice, but you swim/race alone. Same with sc2. You have people helping you out and keeping you entertained...but you play alone...unless u 2v2 ofc.
I think you two are really missing the point.
eZrA,I don't know why you're being so rude about it when you're clearly misunderstanding and in the wrong. He just completely explained that they aren't team sports, but training (and by extension, being able to work with) a team is crucial. He literally said "they aren't team sports" in his post, then you refute that saying "they aren't team sports". Reread his post.
Do you not understand?
They are saying that to succeed on a professional team, you have to be able to work (like a mature person) with others ON YOUR TEAM. They are a huge part of your success, provide you with someone to practice against, provide encouragement, etc.
Yes, you can succeed without them. That isn't the point of the topic.
The topic is "Why aren't these people on teams?"
Aocowns' response is "He isn't a good team player."
Your response is "SC2 is not a team game."
Meph's response is "True, but being on a team helps, and you must be able to work with them if you want to be a part of a team".
Your response is "But, but... SC2 isn't a team game."
Meph's response is "Yes, I just said that."
Do you not see the issue here?
Aocowns said that he isn't much of a "team player". That term has a different meaning, at least in English. It doesn't mean "player on a team". It is an idiomatic phrase of sorts. It means "easy to work/play with". Aocowns' statement is saying that Destiny isn't an easy player to get along with in a team environment, and thus, he hasn't been able to stay with a team. I don't know who Destiny is (I don't follow the game), but the sentence is very clearly not saying "SC2 is a team game". It obviously isn't technically a team game. No one would say that.
The next post, atomic55's, said that "SC2 is not a team game, and x, y, and z aren't either".
Theonemephisto posted in response saying:
"Sure, they aren't technically team sports. But try training to stay competitive without a team and see how far you get. Being part of a team is essential, because it's (almost) impossible to motivate and challenge yourself enough alone."
Then you both responded saying "BUT THOSE AREN'T TEAM SPORTS".
Yes, he said that in his post. See it?:
"Sure, they aren't technically team sports."
He is stating (again, read):
"But try training to stay competitive without a team and see how far you get. Being part of a team is essential, because it's (almost) impossible to motivate and challenge yourself enough alone."
The point being made here is that all of those sports, as well as SC2, are team-oriented in the sense of training. SC2 is the BEST example, yet you are refuting it.
In SC2 ESPECIALLY, you need someone to train against. Thus, a team (even if it is a small team with 3-4 players) is very helpful with that.
If you can't get along with your team, you won't stay around for long, and thus, the important of the statement that he isn't "much of a team player".
I hate seeing people completely misunderstand an entire conversation. I know many people here don't speak English as their first language, so I'm trying to clear that up.
Aocowns isn't saying SC2 is technically a team game. Theonemephisto is not saying SC2 is technically a team game.
Repeat:
Aocowns isn't saying SC2 is technically a team game. Theonemephisto is not saying SC2 is technically a team game.
"The only good thing was that there were other people there suffereing with me during morning practice, but you swim/race alone"
That's his entire point. Reread his posts.
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On July 28 2011 12:18 atomic55 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:16 AWOT wrote:
I believe teams dont want to sign Destiny in because of his BM. Though that is very short sighted. We all know as viewers of his stream that he is indeed, at least has the potential of being a ultra super good zerg player if given the best of the best practice sessions with other professionals.
As for Sheth, only a matter of time. True about the BM... but hey look at Major... Sixjax signed him...
Major is Artosis' adopted mexican son.
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On July 28 2011 17:44 RANDOMCL wrote:
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Thank you, that saved me some time.
When I swam club and on my varsity college team, our normal training was over 20 hours a week. Combine that with meets almost every weekend and other pool time and we were generally at the pool 25-30 hours a week, every week. And it was hell. Absolute hell. Spending that much time pushing yourself and deliberately causing yourself pain is not an easy thing.
That's what teammates are for. Ask any coach or athlete. Without them, it's (almost) impossible to keep up that kind of effort and still say sane for that long. Not only that, but teammates actually help you get past self-maintained boundaries. Every single one of my best workouts happened because someone else and I decided that the only thing that mattered was beating the other guy. Not our lungs, not our muscles, not our pain, not our mental limitations; it was just him and me. And that let both of us do things we could never dream of otherwise. And not only that, but it's only teammates and the friendships you form with them that can keep you coming back day after day, always knowing that you could quit at any time.
No, they're not team sports. I never said that, and I never will. But being a part of a team is absolutely essential if you want to improve. Without being part of a team, you'll never reach the edges of what you are capable of.
Gaming isn't the same kind of physical grind, but the time commitments and mental exertion are similar. And I imagine that it's just as hard to stay motivated on your own.
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Destiny doesn't have pro mentality. His attitude in and out of game is childish.
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On July 28 2011 13:01 rS.eZrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:58 theonemephisto wrote:On July 28 2011 12:15 atomic55 wrote:On July 28 2011 12:13 Aocowns wrote:
Don't think Destiny is that much of a team player lol Lol sc2 isnot a team sport. Thats like saying Swimming, wrestling, and track are team sports. That being said, i disagree completly, in ROOT he was very friendly and a teammate Only people who have never swam, wrestled, or ran competitively would ever say that. Sure, they aren't technically team sports. But try training to stay competitive without a team and see how far you get. Being part of a team is essential, because it's (almost) impossible to motivate and challenge yourself enough alone. I imagine SC2 is similar. Neither of those are "Team" sports... You swim ALONE, you wrestle ALONE, what the hell are you talking about? I played Varsity Soccer, that's a "Team" sport, do you not understand?
If you want to practice your wrestling ALONE, go right ahead-- but I'm unsure how you think you're going to practice without a teammate to wrestle with...
EDIT: also, mephisto said "they aren't team sports" and you respond by saying that "neither of those are team sports"... I'm not sure you actually read his post.
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Guys lol this thread isnt about if sc2 is a team sport...... it isnt btw... its about how and why there are two awesome free agents not signed by teams.
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Lol with the recent news Destiny is the last free agent left... best of luck to him on finding a deserving team.
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Let's argue about what is technically a team sport and what isn't! :S
Anyways..... WOO GO LIQUID SHETH! I guess I should have seen that coming, but I didn't so I'm pleasantly surprised.
As for Destiny, how good is he anyway? I mean, I know he's a good player, but great enough to be on a major team? idk
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Liquid pays attention. Liquid sees all.
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Lol liquid was smart, they didnt have a strong zerg player and no they got one. No offense to Haypro but he hasnt performed well recently.
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On July 29 2011 23:31 atomic55 wrote:
Lol liquid was smart, they didnt have a strong zerg player and no they got one. No offense to Haypro but he hasnt performed well recently.
Ret
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On July 29 2011 23:31 atomic55 wrote:
Lol liquid was smart, they didnt have a strong zerg player and no they got one. No offense to Haypro but he hasnt performed well recently.
Dude Ret's really good and he made it just as far as Sheth in NASL........
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On July 29 2011 23:38 Raisauce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 23:31 atomic55 wrote:
Lol liquid was smart, they didnt have a strong zerg player and no they got one. No offense to Haypro but he hasnt performed well recently. Ret
OMFG i completly forgot my bad, true but now they have two good zergs, wow cant bieleve i forgot aobut ret.
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