Zerg is going to win GSL2 (ez) Z>T - Page 2

On October 26 2010 04:59 imPERSONater wrote:
I bet Sen wishes he knew this before playing Loner.

I don't see how the posts "You are playing your race wrong" aren't applicable anymore (as a similar sentiment was told to zergs when they complained). Terrans have been heavily affected by the new patches, however, there aren't many harassment options in the zerg early game arsenal that I have noticed besides zerglings so maybe the fast expand is the correct answer for Terrans as well. Granted I am not nearly at the level of the pros (and yourself OP), but fruitdealer and IdrA win most games deflecting an early terran attack and then using their early expo to pull ahead. Why can't terrans employ a similar strategy?

Just a week and and half does seem a bit early to be making these overarching statements as the poster above me stated.

On October 26 2010 04:56 frogmelter wrote:
Well as of right now, I agree that zerg has a massive advantage over Terran.

Roaches can block any harassment that you do and if don't pressure zerg, they have a million and a half more drones than you do.

Zerg lategame is really difficult to deal with as Terran. Zerg lategame with zerg having an economic advantage is even more difficult. You have to rely on the zerg making some crazy errors. Since these people are pros, it's unlikely that such an error would occur.

So yes, I second the thought that Zerg is going to win the GSLs quite handily UNLESS another patch comes.



You are kidding me. TvP is not Terran favored. It's true that Terran early game is stronger than Protoss early game, but with the depot before rax junk it's not as big of an advantage. Protoss late game totally trashes Terran.

Think about it this way. For Terran, you start out with marines, marauders, medivacs, and maybe ghosts and maybe vikings. When you end, you end with the same exact units.

Except Protoss late game can spam 75 energy temps and Colossi that deal over a hundred damage per shot.

And just because zerg was underpowered at a point does not make for a good argument that zerg should be overpowered for a time period 'to make up for it'.

On October 26 2010 05:02 frogmelter wrote:


Doesn't work. Zerg macro >>> Terran macro. If Terran doesn't pressure, he flat out loses. Larvae inject lets zerg drone up WAYYYY faster than Terran.

On October 26 2010 05:05 SCC-Faust wrote:
This is ironic.

People made fun of Zerg players pre-patch, saying "all you need to do is change your style".
You know, the whole 'just figure it out' deal. And now when Terran's early game gets nerfed, the same people who insulted Zerg players for being upset in the first place are the ones crying and not even heeding their original advice.

If Zerg figured out how to deal with Terran, then maybe it is time some Terran players learn something other than reaper openings and proxy barracks. Everyone is one-dimensional, playing with siege tank/marine, then saying how imbalanced this shit is when they can't even adjust lol. I'm not saying anything in regards to balance, I just find it so funny. Especially when players like QXC and Brat_OK are prime examples of people who are experimenting and finding success with other builds.

On October 26 2010 05:04 KawaiiRice wrote:


Both parts of your statement contradict your idea.
1) What early zerg attack?
2) You expoing puts you behind since they expoed and have larva mechanic.

t t!;;

On October 26 2010 05:06 Tazza wrote:

The supply before rax barely affects the tvp matchup at all. No one used reapers against protoss, and not many people did a bbs against terran. And if you can start out with so many units, you can harass. That's what terran is in sc2, its about harass. No other race can get t3 units as fast as you. You can get thors superfast, and even bcs really fast, but zerg and protoss take very long to get those units. And if you allow protoss to get a lot of temps and colossi, thats your fault. Temps and colossi require a crapload of gas, and therefore you need a lot of expansions. You don't let a toss do that, just like how a toss doesn't allow zergs to macro up like that in the pvz matchup

On October 26 2010 05:11 LuckyFool wrote:
I allin every TvZ now.

And it's working alot but its retarded. Highly annoying how T cant even attempt to play a macro game. Once it gets over like 12 minute mark I don't know how T could ever win.

On October 26 2010 05:11 frogmelter wrote:


I never liked the reasoning "don't let it get up to that point". With the 1 gate FE pretty much safe and standard, 2 base Protoss can go colossus into templar pretty easily while taking a third. 3 bases, or even 2, is enough for a critical mass of colossus or HT.

On October 26 2010 05:18 Tazza wrote:

My point wasn't "don't let it get up to that point" My point was, you don't let a toss to expand freely. If he's stuck on 2 bases for a while, he will not have enough gas to constantly pump out templars and collossi, while getting the upgrades for them. And its not easy for toss to get extra bases. Their army is pretty immobile, and you can take the expos out with a few multipronged attacks. Stimmed marauders kill buildings super fast, and are really great units against protoss gateway units.

And to the "don't let it get up to that point" argument, a lot of starcraft is about that. In pvz, thats what its all about, the toss can't let the zerg be on 5-6 fully saturated bases, because they know they'll be overrrun. So toss has to make good timing attacks to stop this. This doesn't stop pvz from being imba, it is one of the most balance mus in the game, and even slightly favors protoss. Even in BW, a lot of tvz was about not letting zerg get that 4th gas, and pushing out with 1 vessel, 3 tanks, and mnm to stop the zerg.

On October 26 2010 05:27 Hunch wrote:
omfg quit qqing and go home and cry, zerg have been brought up to speed and now were seeing that zerg is a viable zace, its starting to get even now, well its more even then last patch but the fact remains that reapers are still very usable and terrans are so use to their noob mmm builds that they now have to figure out good builds, something the zerg are already ahead in due to the imbaness they had to deal with.