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avilo
United States4100 Posts
He had a 100% secure win if he just knew how to macro instead of randomly making banelings. sighs...now everyone is going to think they can win with LOLmarines and get stomped on ladder by the good zergs that know how to play lmao. and no infestors...LMAO. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On November 03 2010 03:57 avilo wrote: He had a 100% secure win if he just knew how to macro instead of randomly making banelings. sighs...now everyone is going to think they can win with LOLmarines and get stomped on ladder by the good zergs that know how to play lmao. Because people on Teamliquid are going to face better Zerg than Kyrix, right? That game definitely went over your head. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 03 2010 04:01 SCC-Faust wrote: Because people on Teamliquid are going to face better Zerg than Kyrix, right? That game definitely went over your head. He's an idiot no matter how much evidence points to how tvz isn't imba for zerg he ignores it. He wants tvz to be imba for zerg so he can blame his losses on it. Its how he's always been and why nobody has respect for him as a player ^^. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On November 03 2010 04:37 blade55555 wrote: He's an idiot no matter how much evidence points to how tvz isn't imba for zerg he ignores it. He wants tvz to be imba for zerg so he can blame his losses on it. Its how he's always been and why nobody has respect for him as a player ^^. why do you and other people continually call me an "idiot" and attack me personally when I continue to comment on the games played and point out obvious things? Seems like if you can't analyze the game it's easier to just "bash" the OP. lmao. I admit the way I post makes that quite an easy trap to fall into...but just keep your head cool  On November 03 2010 04:39 Liquid`Ret wrote: game 5 of foxer vs zyrix was very back and forth and kyrix never had the feeling of safety needed to invest heavily into infestors, its easy to say looking at the game while seeing the whole map that he shouldve gone infestors and done more than 'randomly' making banelings but the game was very close and his descisions definately paid off in the mid game. well that is a good point...guess from spectator point of view could easily tell kyrix was ahead. But you would have thought..."i have over half the map in creep, he's barely on two base...i just killed all his units...drone up -> infestor." I don't think he ever used any changelings either did he? I guess you can say that, but at that tip top level to not realize he had a huge advantage...seems pretty much like a thrown away game. Of course they are under intense pressure so yah...from a spectator view though that is so frustrating lol. | ||
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
On November 03 2010 03:57 avilo wrote: and no infestors...LMAO. I did think krix threw away game 5 but it made for an interesting comeback. Foxer said in an interview that infestors would have taken too long to get energy. Edit- I think you are overestimated how strong zerg actually is atm. I think its a fairly balanced game right now. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 03 2010 04:48 avilo wrote: why do you and other people continually call me an "idiot" and attack me personally when I continue to comment on the games played and point out obvious things? Seems like if you can't analyze the game it's easier to just "bash" the OP. lmao. I admit the way I post makes that quite an easy trap to fall into...but just keep your head cool well that is a good point...guess from spectator point of view could easily tell kyrix was ahead. But you would have thought..."i have over half the map in creep, he's barely on two base...i just killed all his units...drone up -> infestor." I don't think he ever used any changelings either did he? I guess you can say that, but at that tip top level to not realize he had a huge advantage...seems pretty much like a thrown away game. Of course they are under intense pressure so yah...from a spectator view though that is so frustrating lol. It is very hard to take any balance discussions seriously with you posting as whenever you struggle terran UP and the other race is OP. When you were probably winning 90% of the games tvz you were saying "learn to play don't blame balance" but when the game balances out you say "terran sucks needs boost zerg is OP". Its all you do and its all your past 20 posts have been in almost every topic i see you post in its how terran sucks and needs a boost. Very hard to take someone like this seriously at all. Again if your watching the games as you say you have you wouldn't still be saying how terran sucks and zerg needs a nerf or terran needs a boost. zvt is the most balanced its been sense like ever. If one or the other gets nerfed or boosted it will break the mu again. But then again you think its already imba for zerg so whatever lol thats what you want anyway a terran boost. I did find it funny how you were saying semi finals 4 zergs and all that but fake boxer/nada were able to take down zergs in good games not a complete 1 sided rape every game (except for fake vs fruitdealer but that was bad scouting/overlord position). MVP vs Zenio is arguably one of the best tvz's the game has had so far and shows that tvz isn't broken like it was before. Ever sense the patch tvz has gotten 100 times more interesting and very fun to watch just like in BW. So I hope they don't know touch tvz at all or its going to break the game 1 boost or nerf can fuck up tvz again and that will be very frustrating. You can think its broken all you want but hopefully someday you realize just how wrong you are. Maybe you'll never see it but most players well. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 03 2010 03:57 avilo wrote: omg, i saw the kyrix game 5 vs foxer. Why is everyone jumping on foxer's cock for awesome marine control n such? He does indeed have great marine micro and splits...but LOFL...everyone completely ignores that kyrix threw away that game so badly it's not even funny? He had a 100% secure win if he just knew how to macro instead of randomly making banelings. sighs...now everyone is going to think they can win with LOLmarines and get stomped on ladder by the good zergs that know how to play lmao. and no infestors...LMAO. Please enlighten me at what timing would have been optimal for him to get infestors? You're so blind. Everyone makes mistakes - you're acting like because the Zerg didn't play perfectly that it means nothing. How about many Terrans haven't been either? Foxer made a ton of mistakes as well (nonetheless that entires series was epic). Completely mindblowing. All the Terrans used to say "oh, the Zergs are just playing poorly, that's why Terran is dominating." Despite the fact 3/4 players in the semis are T's this season, and with the lone Z coming through on a ZvZ match, we still use the excuse "oh, the Zergs are just playing poorly." EDIT: I think Zerg has a slight advantage at the moment. With the coming of the new patch, I switched to Terran from Zerg as I disagreed with the changes. Having played T for at least 3 weeks now and starting to gain back points I lost (I dropped to around 1550), I am hovering back around 1800 pts. Although TvT used to be my worst MU, after I came up with my own build, it is now by far my best. I have very quirky builds, but the only thing I seemed to really have noticed is that you have to be aggressive vs Z much more than previously and that roach range kills hellion Thor a million times better than it used to. At the very least, bring Nitro packs back to rax for 100/100 and make Roach Range an upgrade costing 50/50 to at least give some time while Roaches can be kited. EDIT2: While I've seen you at the top, when I was playing the most I was ranked 25th in the top 200 for Zerg players (which meant like 120 overall :-/). So I have at least a grasp on what I was doing, even if I've been knocked out of the top 200 since switching to T. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
i suggest you to try to adapt, it can take months. you should open your mind a little bit | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On November 03 2010 07:30 PredY wrote: what i don't understand is why people come cry on the forums after there's a significant patch that alters the gameplay (i.e. roach range), you come here after you lose 2 games claiming the universe is gonna end because a zerg is suddenly OP. i suggest you to try to adapt, it can take months. you should open your mind a little bit why do you assume that it was only after losing 2 games? Or that it is even just me that thinks Zerg has a huge advantage? I do not get this thinking. If I had only played 2 games against something I wouldn't bother posting about it on the forums. This is after, many, many games, and seeing the same trends...over..and over...even boxer in his interview after his game vs nada refers to how strong zerg is versus terran. All his practice partners lol @ how ez it is to zvt. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 03 2010 07:43 avilo wrote: why do you assume that it was only after losing 2 games? Or that it is even just me that thinks Zerg has a huge advantage? I do not get this thinking. If I had only played 2 games against something I wouldn't bother posting about it on the forums. This is after, many, many games, and seeing the same trends...over..and over...even boxer in his interview after his game vs nada refers to how strong zerg is versus terran. All his practice partners lol @ how ez it is to zvt. Try something new! Be creative and use sensor towers more. Don't worry about them costing a lot. Just use them more. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
On November 03 2010 07:43 avilo wrote: why do you assume that it was only after losing 2 games? Or that it is even just me that thinks Zerg has a huge advantage? I do not get this thinking. If I had only played 2 games against something I wouldn't bother posting about it on the forums. This is after, many, many games, and seeing the same trends...over..and over...even boxer in his interview after his game vs nada refers to how strong zerg is versus terran. All his practice partners lol @ how ez it is to zvt. yeah sorry i meant "2 games" as "a very short time after a balance patch" what i wanted to say is i don't like such thinking, i'd like to see players try more stuff before they give up and start threads of races being OP. what i think is, tvz was very much broken in favor of terran, after recent patches zerg got buffed and the thinking stayed the same, i.e. i'm just better than this player because i beat him 20-0 when tvz was broken, but i can't beat him now because my builds don't work anymore so it must be broken. i'm not attacking you avilo. i'd like players tried more before claiming a race is OP you know edit: i assume tvz WAS broken (hell the tanks were just too strong..) even if it wasn't and we didn't give players enough time, we should learn from our mistakes | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On November 03 2010 07:50 koreasilver wrote: So you listen to professional testimonies selectively. When Boxer says TvZ is hard you jump on it, but when Foxer says that it's hard for a Zerg to just tech to infesters you just ignore it and ramble on and on about it. Hmm. My god. So many posts full of fail. Is it me or you who listens/reads selectively? Foxer was talking within the context of that particular game he played, saying that because of pressure in that situation it would be better to continue massing banes instead of atttempting to get infestors, since there would be not much time to accumulate energy for infestors. I personally disagree with even his own analysis of "bad to get infestors" in that specific game, but he's the one that played it, so he can probably accurately judge the situation better. Foxer NEVER said it's hard for a Zerg to tech to infestors. If you are going to quote and make vague references, get your facts and analysis spot on before you try to support your invalid points with incorrect analysis. I understand you simply read what foxer said in his interview, rather than also processing and understanding what he said. also btw, tonight we find out if z can rape t  | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 05 2010 14:04 avilo wrote: My god. So many posts full of fail. Is it me or you who listens/reads selectively? Foxer was talking within the context of that particular game he played, saying that because of pressure in that situation it would be better to continue massing banes instead of atttempting to get infestors, since there would be not much time to accumulate energy for infestors. I personally disagree with even his own analysis of "bad to get infestors" in that specific game, but he's the one that played it, so he can probably accurately judge the situation better. Foxer NEVER said it's hard for a Zerg to tech to infestors. If you are going to quote and make vague references, get your facts and analysis spot on before you try to support your invalid points with incorrect analysis. I understand you simply read what foxer said in his interview, rather than also processing and understanding what he said. Obviously I was meaning that it is hard to get infesters out for the Zerg when the Terran plays super aggressively like Foxer was doing. It stands that you completely ignored the post right before your little "lol game5 so bad zerg didn't get infesters" that said that Foxer said that it is difficult for a Zerg to get out infesters in that situation. You blabbered on until ret popped into the thread and reaffirmed it, to which you immediately put your tail between your legs in response. As it stands from when I last posted, it was obvious to any outsider that you were being a hypocrite in quoting Boxer as a "professional" for support in your argument and ignoring another professional when his testimony was directly oppositional to your "lol zerg noob didn't get infesters" diatribe. Although Foxer was not speaking about TvZ as a whole, you were still embracing one fully while sidestepping another with no real reason for one or the other - just an arbitrary choice. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 05 2010 14:04 avilo wrote: My god. So many posts full of fail. Is it me or you who listens/reads selectively? Foxer was talking within the context of that particular game he played, saying that because of pressure in that situation it would be better to continue massing banes instead of atttempting to get infestors, since there would be not much time to accumulate energy for infestors. I personally disagree with even his own analysis of "bad to get infestors" in that specific game, but he's the one that played it, so he can probably accurately judge the situation better. Foxer NEVER said it's hard for a Zerg to tech to infestors. If you are going to quote and make vague references, get your facts and analysis spot on before you try to support your invalid points with incorrect analysis. I understand you simply read what foxer said in his interview, rather than also processing and understanding what he said. also btw, tonight we find out if z can rape t Ah yes if nestea wins zerg imba if Boxer wins the zerg just sucked. Great logic -_-. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
I know you both agree that TvZ is hard and now I can kind of see why. | ||
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John Madden
American Samoa894 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On November 05 2010 20:07 SCC-Faust wrote: Avilo what is your opinion on how SlayerS_Boxer played today? I know you both agree that TvZ is hard and now I can kind of see why. He played perfect, killing over nine thousand drones which were instantly reproduced at no cost of larva or resources to the zerg. His awkward elevator push into the back of zerg's main was flawlessly executed, moving the thors out of range of the tanks so that they both got wiped out with the greatest of ease. You might say to yourself "that's pretty dumb" but given that ZvT is a foregone conclusion and that roaches can just chill out 4 range away from things and shoot green shit like someone camping CT spawn with an AWP so you may as well just bend over and take it. He is the Emperor of Terran. The sovereign ruler of an entire empire of terrans. If he can't win a ZvT, the game is broken, QED. Do you think it makes any logical sense for some pathetic nobody of a BW pro can wipe the floor with him and make his in game performance rival Tasteless' ability to cast/observe a game. A zerg, need I remind you, with drug references in his name. When was the last time you lost to some guy named Weedlord420 or something like that. Have we all forgot the sage anti drug slogan on arcade games circa mid 90s, "winners don't use drugs." Well someone remind Dustin Browder up in his comfy office in Blizz HQ because ZergBong just lit up Boxer and smoked his ass and probably won't even remember where he was the day after. | ||
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