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Ah yes if nestea wins zerg imba if Boxer wins the zerg just sucked. Great logic -_-. Not surprising. It pretty much sums up his attitude for the last several months. When zergs lose they need to get better, but when terrans lose it's because of imba.
This entire blog is just OP trying to convince himself that it's not his own fault that he loses.
Still can't seem to take his own advice:On September 09 2010 09:47 avilo wrote:
solution: play the game it is and get better at it.
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On November 05 2010 23:45 Tsagacity wrote:Show nested quote +Ah yes if nestea wins zerg imba if Boxer wins the zerg just sucked. Great logic -_-. Not surprising. It pretty much sums up his attitude for the last several months. When zergs lose they need to get better, but when terrans lose it's because of imba. This entire blog is just OP trying to convince himself that it's not his own fault that he loses. Still can't seem to take his own advice: Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 09:47 avilo wrote:
solution: play the game it is and get better at it.
Yeah sadly he's always been like that lol I dont' know why I try to make him see how wrong he is but just wont' get through to him :/.
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sup boxer vs zergbong gonna be a close match cause match-up is balanced!
oh wait.
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On November 06 2010 06:13 avilo wrote:
sup boxer vs zergbong gonna be a close match cause match-up is balanced!
oh wait.
ZergBong's still going to get drunked by the Foxer! Marines move out!
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so in reference to the title, is zerg still gonna win? haha.
foxer is a beast, gonna eat through nestea. don't want to admit it, but watching the VODs.. ;~;
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On November 05 2010 17:23 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 14:04 avilo wrote:On November 03 2010 07:50 koreasilver wrote:
So you listen to professional testimonies selectively. When Boxer says TvZ is hard you jump on it, but when Foxer says that it's hard for a Zerg to just tech to infesters you just ignore it and ramble on and on about it.
Hmm. My god. So many posts full of fail. Is it me or you who listens/reads selectively? Foxer was talking within the context of that particular game he played, saying that because of pressure in that situation it would be better to continue massing banes instead of atttempting to get infestors, since there would be not much time to accumulate energy for infestors. I personally disagree with even his own analysis of "bad to get infestors" in that specific game, but he's the one that played it, so he can probably accurately judge the situation better. Foxer NEVER said it's hard for a Zerg to tech to infestors. If you are going to quote and make vague references, get your facts and analysis spot on before you try to support your invalid points with incorrect analysis. I understand you simply read what foxer said in his interview, rather than also processing and understanding what he said. also btw, tonight we find out if z can rape t  Ah yes if nestea wins zerg imba if Boxer wins the zerg just sucked. Great logic -_-.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said the Zerg sucked. The truth of the matter is, if you want to do analysis on foxer vs kyrix, kyrix made a ton of horrible decisions after his aggro, especially in game 5.
That's not bias. That's looking at the games and analyzing them.
On November 05 2010 20:07 SCC-Faust wrote:
Avilo what is your opinion on how SlayerS_Boxer played today?
I know you both agree that TvZ is hard and now I can kind of see why.
Ret mentioned earlier in the thread to "learn to 2 rax." I didn't feel like humoring him and responding because as seen in the boxer vs zergbong series, 2 rax sux even versus hatch first. I believe boxer even proxied his raxes? Still stopped easily.
Even noobs on ladder can stop a 2 rax marine pressure. Ok, well, that's not true, a lot of noobies on ladder die to it. But noobies die to anything, that doesn't mean it's good.
I already predicted boxer would lose, i liquibet for zergbong lmao even tho I love boxer 
as for the series, it was nothing special. It's how you're supposed to play zerg right now.
You can do the kyrix mass ling/baneling aggro which Terran has incredible trouble defending. You gain an advantage with it -> macro -> automatic late game win once the game goes past 10 minutes.
Or you can just play the invincible defensive macro style, where you get mass baneling/infestor/ling/muta, harrass with muta some, and just defend every drop T throws at you with infestors/mobile ling/speed baneling into ultra...
The only way T can win is by doing something gimmicky b4 the 10 min mark, or through a build order win like boxer tried with the 2 raxes. Needless to say, good Zergs easily stop it and roll. That's why I made this thread. I have no doubt Zergbong is gonna roll foxer in the finals.
For everyone jumping on Foxer's amazing marine micro, Zergbong isn't going to let those shinanigans happen because he's smart enough to get infestors and...let's see how fun it is to micro marines when they're fungalled lol.
foxer had massive trouble with kyrix's style, Zergbong can and knows how to abuse the same thing, and then drone up and get a freewin late game. So yeah...that's what I think about boxer's series. Zergbong played how the Zergs that know how the true balance is right now are supposed to...
He even threw away so many banes/lings and was still ahead afterwards lol.
On November 05 2010 22:28 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 20:07 SCC-Faust wrote:
Avilo what is your opinion on how SlayerS_Boxer played today?
I know you both agree that TvZ is hard and now I can kind of see why. He played perfect, killing over nine thousand drones which were instantly reproduced at no cost of larva or resources to the zerg. His awkward elevator push into the back of zerg's main was flawlessly executed, moving the thors out of range of the tanks so that they both got wiped out with the greatest of ease. You might say to yourself "that's pretty dumb" but given that ZvT is a foregone conclusion and that roaches can just chill out 4 range away from things and shoot green shit like someone camping CT spawn with an AWP so you may as well just bend over and take it. He is the Emperor of Terran. The sovereign ruler of an entire empire of terrans. If he can't win a ZvT, the game is broken, QED. Do you think it makes any logical sense for some pathetic nobody of a BW pro can wipe the floor with him and make his in game performance rival Tasteless' ability to cast/observe a game. A zerg, need I remind you, with drug references in his name. When was the last time you lost to some guy named Weedlord420 or something like that. Have we all forgot the sage anti drug slogan on arcade games circa mid 90s, "winners don't use drugs." Well someone remind Dustin Browder up in his comfy office in Blizz HQ because ZergBong just lit up Boxer and smoked his ass and probably won't even remember where he was the day after.
I'm not quite sure if you're serious or semi-serious but what you said about Zerg re-droning is absolutely true this patch. It's the invincible defensive Zerg style that I refer to in a lot of my posts. You can harrass Zerg a hell of a lot, but the good Zergs build the minimum it takes to kill off your "harrassment" and then they immediately have the same number or more drones after the harrass that they did before the harrassment - while the Terran lost all their units.
So yeah...people that say you can harrass Zergs well haven't played the Zergs on ladder and the tip top Zergs that already learned defensive Zerg autowins past 10 min in.
It's pretty god damn ridiculous. As Terran, you cannot play a macro game because Terran loses a macro game TvZ.
You can't do a harrass game, because harrass doesn't work due to how larva inject allows re-droning and you lose all ur units while they have the same amount of drones afterwards.
Do the math. You lost units, they have the same amount of drones that they did b4 your harrass even started, and they have their army still...
So the only way is to play 2 base gimmicky all-in strats, or try to "surprise" them and get a win.
That's not to say that two patches ago was balanced. It definitely was incredibly Terran favored because of the sheer amount of things that could kill Zerg. But the patch b4 this one Zerg were already finding their stride in raping Terrans by making it to late game for freewin, it's just this patch went overboard and now it's almost a forgone conclusion that Zerg gets their natural for free with absolutely no threat of pressure.
anyways...Zerg still going to win GSL 
On November 05 2010 23:45 Tsagacity wrote:Show nested quote +Ah yes if nestea wins zerg imba if Boxer wins the zerg just sucked. Great logic -_-. Not surprising. It pretty much sums up his attitude for the last several months. When zergs lose they need to get better, but when terrans lose it's because of imba. This entire blog is just OP trying to convince himself that it's not his own fault that he loses. Still can't seem to take his own advice: Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 09:47 avilo wrote:
solution: play the game it is and get better at it.
My attitude has always been to not complain and whine about balance, but when the game is so obviously skewered one way patch after patch, it can get to even me.
It was skewered in Terran's favor b4 to the point that every Zerg BM'd you every game you played.
Now the balance is so skewered in Zerg's favor it's not funny. Well, I do find it sorta hilarious that in medivac alamo division on NA server if you look at all of the top slots it's
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Z
Z
T
P
T
Z
Z
Z
Z
P
P
P
P
lol. That's basically what it looks like. Did all of the Terrans suddenly have their keyboards unplugged or forget how to play? No...it's the opposite balance situation from how Zerg was.
Terran just basically replaced Zerg as the underpowered race. That's not saying you cannot win as T, you definitely can. But the design of late game is so screwed right now by blizzard. You shouldn't have to "play against the clock" and what I mean by that is that if the game goes past 10 minutes vs zerg you lose to larva inject and them defending, and it's just about the same versus turtle protosses that accumulate 5 collosus + any army, and defend into templar+collosus which rapes any sized T army late game. Unless you hit miracle EMPs.
On November 06 2010 06:17 Raeleigh wrote:
so in reference to the title, is zerg still gonna win? haha.
foxer is a beaster, gonna eat through nestea. don't want to admit it, but watching the VODs.. ;~;
Yep, Zergbong is going to win the entire thing. The series last night should have enlightened some people that don't understand the current state of the metagame so much.
kyrix had tunnel vision against foxer, which is the only reason he lost. Zergbong obviously doesn't suffer from the same problem. So yeah. The finals is going to be a blow out, probably 4-0 or 4-1.
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On November 06 2010 06:33 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 06:17 Raeleigh wrote:
so in reference to the title, is zerg still gonna win? haha.
foxer is a beaster, gonna eat through nestea. don't want to admit it, but watching the VODs.. ;~; Yep, Zergbong is going to win the entire thing. The series last night should have enlightened some people that don't understand the current state of the metagame so much. kyrix had tunnel vision against foxer, which is the only reason he lost. Zergbong obviously doesn't suffer from the same problem. So yeah. The finals is going to be a blow out, probably 4-0 or 4-1.
Oh snap.
Someone told me Foxer beat Fruit Dealer because Foxer watched every single one of Fruit Dealer's replays, found every flaw or something he forgot, and then countered it.
Do you think if Foxer did that with NesTea he could win? o-o;
NesTea is really good, so is Foxer..
Epic match :U!!!
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I actually think Nestea will win.
But definitely not for the same reasons as you.
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Avilo why 3 T in the Ro4 ?
On November 06 2010 06:40 SCC-Faust wrote:
I actually think Nestea will win.
But definitely not for the same reasons as you.
Same.
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can I ask you guys if he NesTear ROFLSTOMPED everyone? I mean there's no crazy match in which he almost lost?
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On November 06 2010 06:45 Boblion wrote:Avilo why 3 T in the Ro4 ? Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 06:40 SCC-Faust wrote:
I actually think Nestea will win.
But definitely not for the same reasons as you.
Same.
T has the most representation at the tournament
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NestTea hasn't lost a single game. If he wins it's because he's the best in the world right now. And besides he needs to win so we can start calling him the boxer slayer.
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On November 06 2010 06:52 Licmyobelisk wrote:
can I ask you guys if he NesTear ROFLSTOMPED everyone? I mean there's no crazy match in which he almost lost?
Didn't he only play ZvZs except for a no-name and Boxer?
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On November 06 2010 07:25 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 06:52 Licmyobelisk wrote:
can I ask you guys if he NesTear ROFLSTOMPED everyone? I mean there's no crazy match in which he almost lost? Didn't he only play ZvZs except for a no-name and Boxer?
That is precisely why he is so good. ZvZ is a very volatile match-up and by going undefeated he's definitely very good.
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On November 05 2010 23:45 Tsagacity wrote:Show nested quote +Ah yes if nestea wins zerg imba if Boxer wins the zerg just sucked. Great logic -_-. Not surprising. It pretty much sums up his attitude for the last several months. When zergs lose they need to get better, but when terrans lose it's because of imba. This entire blog is just OP trying to convince himself that it's not his own fault that he loses. Still can't seem to take his own advice: Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 09:47 avilo wrote:
solution: play the game it is and get better at it. words of a hypocrite bare no meaning, we should just ignore him now lol
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On November 06 2010 10:26 We Are Here wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 23:45 Tsagacity wrote:Ah yes if nestea wins zerg imba if Boxer wins the zerg just sucked. Great logic -_-. Not surprising. It pretty much sums up his attitude for the last several months. When zergs lose they need to get better, but when terrans lose it's because of imba. This entire blog is just OP trying to convince himself that it's not his own fault that he loses. Still can't seem to take his own advice: On September 09 2010 09:47 avilo wrote:
solution: play the game it is and get better at it. words of a hypocrite bare no meaning, we should just ignore him now lol
Yup he doesn't know how to play tvz and hence blames balance. I wonder if he had played broodwar (or maybe he did) if he did the same thing and blamed balance for his losses. Wouldn't surprise me anyway ^^
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On November 06 2010 13:27 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 10:26 We Are Here wrote:On November 05 2010 23:45 Tsagacity wrote:Ah yes if nestea wins zerg imba if Boxer wins the zerg just sucked. Great logic -_-. Not surprising. It pretty much sums up his attitude for the last several months. When zergs lose they need to get better, but when terrans lose it's because of imba. This entire blog is just OP trying to convince himself that it's not his own fault that he loses. Still can't seem to take his own advice: On September 09 2010 09:47 avilo wrote:
solution: play the game it is and get better at it. words of a hypocrite bare no meaning, we should just ignore him now lol Yup he doesn't know how to play tvz and hence blames balance. I wonder if he had played broodwar (or maybe he did) if he did the same thing and blamed balance for his losses. Wouldn't surprise me anyway ^^
I love how you completely ignored all the logical arguments and instead decided to attack me personally. I'll take it as an admittance you have no argument to make. Bye.
As for Brood War balance, Brood War is such an awesome game that it ended up being virtually perfectly balanced. There was always something you could do better, or someone better, and I do not think myself or any other self respecting player ever even had Brood War balance enter our minds when we were playing Brood War. It was that good.
SC2 is no where near balanced though. We definitely should have a good mind set of being able to get better and beat everything. But to be honest, SC2 does require less skill than Brood War, as much as I love SC2. And balance problems are much, much easier to pin point and make comment on.
Hopefully balance will get there though.
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My attitude has always been to not complain and whine about balance. A quick stroll through your post history shows that this obviously isn't true. Do you really believe yourself when you say this? -_-
Jesus Christ, there's even someone in this thread who recognizes you as a constant whiner from C&C. You know you have a reputation for whining when people recognize you for it across games o.O
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