Gosucoaching is back - Page 4

On October 02 2010 05:51 Liquid`HuK wrote:



from what i read the coaches play a flat rate to use the site

On October 02 2010 06:27 babolatt wrote:
For everyone arguing that any type of advertising on this forum is wrong, consider the fact that there are a lot of people on this forum that link to their youtube channels which are often ad supported. Linking those videos results in monetary gain for those involved. Let's not overreact.

On October 02 2010 06:08 floor exercise wrote:


I don't like it. We have limited information so if inc wants to respond and tell me and I am wrong and stupid and ugly that's fine but here's what I don't really like:

I know Incontrol isn't doing the legwork, making these threads and answering all the questions on behalf of this fancy pants business man only to pay a premium to use his site.

And I kind of doubt the "featured" coaches or what have you are either. The ones people actually want to be coached by.

I know Gosucoaching often advertises under the guise of their tournaments, and in a sense that's acceptable. But there is a trend on teamliquid to let them freely advertise and discuss their website that isn't offered to individual coaches at all. In many cases they get their threads closed or they get banned, or in the case of people like Trump they pretty much do it offsite. (I am not sure if trump charges for his lessons i just see him giving them on his stream)

So what it looks to me, admittedly well on the outside, is that through gosucoaching not only can Inc and the EG members offer their coaching services on teamliquid (and threads like this are free advertising) while individual coaches can't, they also charge them a fee for what I can see as the only possible real incentive to join up: get their name out on TL as well.

So why doesn't TL just add a forum for this sort of thing? Hell why doesn't TL charge people to just directly advertise their coaching services here? Gosucoaching seems like it wants to be this essentially pointless middle man exploiting their reign on TL.

Coaching is a service that's worth money to people, I get that, it's cool. But how does Gosucoaching help people do that?

I know the internet is a lot bigger than just teamliquid, but I think it's fair to estimate that like 90% of your customers come from TL

On October 02 2010 06:31 floor exercise wrote:

I fully support offering services to fellow players. I just don't know if I agree with coaches paying gosucoaching for the privilege of gaining presence on TL. If there was a fee attached, why wouldn't it just go directly TL?

On October 02 2010 05:54 fnaticAugury wrote:
You should probably go into a lot more detail regarding how you're planning on solving the previous problem. How is GosuCoaching going to take responsibility for the integrity of their coaches?

Nothing against InControl or anyone else involved, but this seems like the exact same thing that was going on before.

You have a bunch of BW players that had success in a very small field of players that are trying to abuse their TL relationship and notoriety to take advantage of new Sc2 players.

Most players are going to benefit from the coaching received, so there was nothing originally wrong with the plan. Bringing it back is a terrible idea though and reflects poorly on everyone involved. You messed up terribly the last time, nothing has changed, so I don't see why you're trying to bring back a very similar business plan.

You guys obviously provide a valuable and greatly appreciated service to the community with your events, but it's starting to go too far.

On October 02 2010 06:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote:


I think you are over-thinking this.. or under-thinking it.

We are not going to use TL as advetisement. This is a one time blog to announce a relevant community site is back after much drama/closure etc. After that the coaches are merely on the site and they function within the society of SC2.

The "incentive" is to be advertised / rated as a coach. The "flat rate" is undecided on how it will function but probably just a monthly fee that will go to the site for maintenance, owner profit and the weekly. If you don't like it you can coach on your own. Simple as that. We aren't forcing people to coach from there or whatever. But making yourself known as a top rated coach on the top coaching site is pretty lucrative for _EVERYONE_ involved (coaches, owner, students alike).

@questions about name: We kept the name because we already have gosuguide, gosucamp and gosuweekly. Reinventing the name would have been nice considering the past but we weighed that against the name recognition already established with the "good" aspects and thought we were better to remain named gosucoaching. Wrong or right that was the thinking process.

On October 02 2010 05:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



If that were true, should I not be able to create any thread I wanted on TL, for monetary gain?

People have been warned/banned or had threads closed in the past for very similar issues. For all the contributions he has done on TL I assumed he had been given a bit of leeway for it, but as a mod it is a completely different ball game, as now it directly ties to TL where before it didn't.

This is not an issue really against inc, or gosucoaching, but entirely a policy issue.

On October 02 2010 06:54 Ronald_McD wrote:


Why do you care so much?

Yes he gets away with minor advertising because he's a moderator
What's the big deal? He's a well respected member and moderator here, so of course he's going to have special priviledges.

I don't see what's so horribly wrong about being a moderator for Team Liquid as well as the head of Gosucoaching

On October 02 2010 06:55 micronesia wrote:

He isn't "getting away" with anything by being a banling. Even if he wasn't a banling he still could have made this blog.

On October 02 2010 07:06 Ronald_McD wrote:


Oh, okay. I'm a little confused though. Does that mean some minor advertising is okay in blogs?

On October 02 2010 07:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

From what I have read so far, only if TL staff likes you. As I posted in the other thread, simply by allowing the thread to exist on the website you are inherently supporting incontrols thread over other users which means even with that disclaimer TL is still endorsing the thread by allowing it to exist within their borders.

Under new ownership Gosucoaching.com has cut out the middle-man aspect and returned to simplicity. No longer will you pay the site at large and then go through a gauntlet of scheduling to get a session. Instead, Gosucoaching will function as a service to both the coaches and the students. Coaches will be able to advertise themselves on the site for a small fee and students will only have to go to 1 place to shop for someone that is interested/willing to coach. Fees, scheduling and anything else is controlled by the coaches. Gosucoaching will function as a quality control site. If a coach is doing a poor job, skipping sessions, bm etc.. they will be removed. The site will soon implement a rating system so all coaches can be reviewed by their students and viewed by prospective students.