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Hahaha good luck with your new coaching system, I was keeping track of the last ones and uhh... Yeah, hope you do better this time.
Also, don't want to derail but I had to reply.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2010 04:26 Medzo wrote:GL to gosucoaching it looks really interesting as a business. I look forward to playing in some tournaments. Part of my original post dont want to derail: + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2010 04:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 04:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 04:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 03:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 03:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Your perspective/opinion is duly noted.
I however would ask that you monitor your opinion with facts.
I am an EG member. I am apart of the State of the Game podcast. I created the Gosuguide. I am also a competitive player. Point is, I am many things. I also coach professionally. I have done that for over a year now. I have posted in regard to gosucoaching and other things for a very long time.
If you want to flame me or flame gosucoaching it will not be ME that warns/bans you as I am involved personally. Again, that is something that is the standard for the rest of the staff as well. I really not trying to be negative dude. But your titles are really moot when you compare your currently a TL staff member. That really shows a level of unprofessionalism when someone with your position is soliciting people. Anyone of the other members of this venture could have posted this thread. You would still be involved but not the one actively advertising it which would clear you of any direct involvement. As it stands now it really comes off badly (at least in my opinion). Yep as said you find it reprehensible. I pay my rent with coaching. I fund my life as a progamer by coaching. I am also trying to contribute to the greatest community website. Until those two directly conflict and I make the wrong choice I don't think you should write off my "professionalism" or commitment to the community just yet. Also saying I am "soliciting" people for money is a really poor choice of words. I offer a service and I help fund/run community events that are completely free and in fact offer money to everyone else. I think you might want to consider mitigating your criticism. I do get you do alot for this community, I get that you also treat this venture as your means to survive. However, not only are you a respected member of the community, your are part of the teamliquid staff. This means every post you make will A) get attention based on your recognition B) get attention based on the fact your part of staff These two things give you instant attention from pretty well everyone who reads it. It also directly links you to this site. If the venture goes badly it could leads to TL looking badly as well. Soliciting also isn't a poor choice of words. As i said just above, your name garners instant attention based on my two points. At the end of every post you have in your signature a link to both your guide and your coaching. Now, that may be indirect, but it is still a form of solicitation. Its similar to putting up fliers around town. Your job as a moderator, and that of a progamer are separate, they should really be treated as such. Again, your opinion is well made! I understand you think all the staff members should only be loyal to TL professionally and have no connections to anything else. That isn't the case... so be it! GL Eh? you keep the two jobs seperate as best as possible. If you work at place A you try not to have anything from it spill over to B regardless of if the two are tied or not. I get people will have connections to other things, hell we all have personal lives, but mixing two jobs for personal gain (whereas most people in your position would get warned/banned for it) is really inappropriate. Dude this is a community forum not some crazy political party. Incontrol seems pretty respectful in all his posts here and if gosucoaching took another turn for the worst it would stain his own name and the coaches involved not TL. Sure maybe a few bad apples out there might not be able to tell the difference between two completely separate sites but do we want those kind of posters here anyway? It doesn't matter if they're 'bad apples', they're still people and they *MIGHT* be getting the wrong impression. This wouldn't be questionable at all if money wasn't involved, but it is and so I have to agree with BC, not that I have anything against gosucoaching. When money gets involved all those little things that didn't matter before become important.
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Sweden5462 Posts
I saw one of your castings {88}iNcontroL and you were good so I'm hoping for some kind of clean way to find vods of stuff you guys did similar to how Day[9] uses blip.tv.
About this business idea - if demand exists then there's no wrong that someone tries to supply so I wish you guys good luck!
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On October 02 2010 04:24 Jibba wrote:
Hey everybody! Let's stop with the derailment. Have it in a PM, but don't have it here. If something is to be done, it'll be done. Posting more about it won't raise the issue any more than it already has.
This is BS, this isn't something they are going to come to terms with through PM. I know BC isn't the only person who gets pissed when you see incontrol shamelessly self promotes himself and his ventures and doesn't get warned or threads closed for it.
Every gosucoaching thread he makes annoys me. If he wants to advertise on TL he should buy adds like ANY OTHER person would have to do. I think him even having his signature a direct advertisement is fully stretching the line. The fact he is allowed to just post blogs and threads on this shit is ridiculous.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2010 04:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:24 Jibba wrote:
Hey everybody! Let's stop with the derailment. Have it in a PM, but don't have it here. If something is to be done, it'll be done. Posting more about it won't raise the issue any more than it already has. This is BS, this isn't something they are going to come to terms with through PM. I know BC isn't the only person who gets pissed when you see incontrol shamelessly self promotes himself and his ventures and doesn't get warned or threads closed for it. Every gosucoaching thread he makes annoys me. If he wants to advertise on TL he should buy adds like ANY OTHER person would have to do. I think him even having his signature a direct advertisement is fully stretching the line. The fact he is allowed to just post blogs and threads on this shit is ridiculous.
I kind of disagree.
In the first phase of beta I ran a blog with my gaming experiences and updated replays.
I provided the link in my signature, and it was never really questioned - although it wasn't monetized.
More of a for the community thing. So wait nevermind maybe I agree.
The point is, why can't we all just be friends?
+ Show Spoiler [RELEVANT TO TOPIC] +Hello Mr. Geoff. Since GC's structure is similar to Cam4.com and Freecam.com's structure in the sense that coaches only get paid for the services they have provided (ie You help someone, you get a portion of what they pay; ie You flash your tits, you get a portion of the monetary value of tokens from what they tip), do you believe GC will hire some new coaches in the near future?
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On October 02 2010 04:56 SCC-Faust wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2010 04:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:24 Jibba wrote:
Hey everybody! Let's stop with the derailment. Have it in a PM, but don't have it here. If something is to be done, it'll be done. Posting more about it won't raise the issue any more than it already has. This is BS, this isn't something they are going to come to terms with through PM. I know BC isn't the only person who gets pissed when you see incontrol shamelessly self promotes himself and his ventures and doesn't get warned or threads closed for it. Every gosucoaching thread he makes annoys me. If he wants to advertise on TL he should buy adds like ANY OTHER person would have to do. I think him even having his signature a direct advertisement is fully stretching the line. The fact he is allowed to just post blogs and threads on this shit is ridiculous. I kind of disagree. In the first phase of beta I ran a blog with my gaming experiences and updated replays. I provided the link in my signature, and it was never really questioned - although it wasn't monetized.More of a for the community thing. So wait nevermind maybe I agree. The point is, why can't we all just be friends?
Thats the issue here man o_O
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On October 02 2010 04:56 SCC-Faust wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2010 04:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:24 Jibba wrote:
Hey everybody! Let's stop with the derailment. Have it in a PM, but don't have it here. If something is to be done, it'll be done. Posting more about it won't raise the issue any more than it already has. This is BS, this isn't something they are going to come to terms with through PM. I know BC isn't the only person who gets pissed when you see incontrol shamelessly self promotes himself and his ventures and doesn't get warned or threads closed for it. Every gosucoaching thread he makes annoys me. If he wants to advertise on TL he should buy adds like ANY OTHER person would have to do. I think him even having his signature a direct advertisement is fully stretching the line. The fact he is allowed to just post blogs and threads on this shit is ridiculous. I kind of disagree. In the first phase of beta I ran a blog with my gaming experiences and updated replays. I provided the link in my signature, and it was never really questioned - although it wasn't monetized. More of a for the community thing. So wait nevermind maybe I agree. The point is, why can't we all just be friends?
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are you guys in bad terms with louder?
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can i refuse casters in the weekly? i am against it o so much
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Bloody; I dont' get it. He can do what he wants. Who cares that he is a mod.
This (GosuCoaching) is his site. The delineation is clear. Don't you think you might be exaggerating the importance of this a bit?
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On October 02 2010 05:21 Liquid`HuK wrote:
can i refuse casters in the weekly? i am against it o so much
We will talk that over.
@faust: yes we will have new coaches in the future
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On October 02 2010 05:22 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 05:21 Liquid`HuK wrote:
can i refuse casters in the weekly? i am against it o so much We will talk that over. @faust: yes we will have new coaches in the future
such a speedy response <3 i of course will be willing to send in replays immediately after every game
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On October 02 2010 05:21 SpicyCrab wrote:
Bloody; I dont' get it. He can do what he wants. Who cares that he is a mod.
This is his site. The delineation is clear. This is a really silly crusade for you to be on.
Does any body from TL have a problem with it? Are any of the administrators or mods or owners fussed?
No? Then drop it.
If that were true, should I not be able to create any thread I wanted on TL, for monetary gain?
People have been warned/banned or had threads closed in the past for very similar issues. For all the contributions he has done on TL I assumed he had been given a bit of leeway for it, but as a mod it is a completely different ball game, as now it directly ties to TL where before it didn't.
This is not an issue really against inc, or gosucoaching, but entirely a policy issue.
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Just wondering how much content has been added to the Gosuguide and how much will this affect future updates
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So I dont understand something; is this the craigslist of starcraft coaching?
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On October 02 2010 05:21 Liquid`HuK wrote:
can i refuse casters in the weekly? i am against it o so much
What are you even saying?
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Hyrule19200 Posts
I don't think it's soliciting. He's not the only coach, and gosucoaching runs free weeklies with cash prizes. He's basically letting everyone know that a service they've wanted and been waiting for is back.
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Hyrule19200 Posts
On October 02 2010 05:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 05:21 Liquid`HuK wrote:
can i refuse casters in the weekly? i am against it o so much What are you even saying?
HuK does not like anyone in games besides the players. Ever. At all.
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Hyrule19200 Posts
On October 02 2010 05:32 nEAnS wrote:
So I dont understand something; is this the craigslist of starcraft coaching?
Basically, yes. Although it's not free to post a listing.
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Also assuming this new owner gets some % for setting up the trainees with coaches, what's to stop coaches from just not using the service? There obviously has to be some incentive for the new owner to operate gosucoaching, and there has to be some incentive for coaches to use the service.
Every second thread on TL is a gosuthis or a gosuthat so it would be disheartening if the only reason to join it would be to able to get your name out there on TL through gosucoaching without being banned for advertising yourself.
Maybe a forum dedicated to finding practice partners, teams and coaches is in order.
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On October 02 2010 05:42 floor exercise wrote:
Also assuming this new owner gets some % for setting up the trainees with coaches, what's to stop coaches from just not using the service? There obviously has to be some incentive for the new owner to operate gosucoaching, and there has to be some incentive for coaches to use the service.
Every second thread on TL is a gosuthis or a gosuthat so it would be disheartening if the only reason to join it would be to able to get your name out there on TL through gosucoaching without being banned for advertising yourself.
Maybe a forum dedicated to finding practice partners, teams and coaches is in order.
from what i read the coaches play a flat rate to use the site
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