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This is a really great idea and I don't understand why so many people are so vocal against it. This isn't for me so I'm not going to participate. I still think its a great opportunity for those that want it. If you don't like gosucoaching then don't do it. What's the problem?
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On October 02 2010 03:55 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 03:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok, I do appreciate what you are doing with gosucoaching and the like Inc but I really do think this is over the top now. As a mod, you should not be the one posting or linking someone to a service that provides you money purely so it doesn't appear in anyway involved with TL (in the case that things flop like last time).
I know that you are a really serious about this and it is a great opportunity for people to learn, but TL staff should not actively be soliciting people for cash. I think it's fine. People may associate it with TL but honestly they should simply associate it with Inc and the contributions he's made to the forum. It's a well made OP in Blogs and again, given his history, I see no problem with him repping his stuff. Day9 is also similarly on staff (although with less banny powers.)
Isn't day9 just a starred member? and does he solicit his viewers for cash? If so then I would have the same issues with him, but a star'ed member of TL just shows they have heavily contributed, not make them part of staff. If I am incorrect here I would appreciate the insight.
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On October 02 2010 03:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 03:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Your perspective/opinion is duly noted.
I however would ask that you monitor your opinion with facts.
I am an EG member. I am apart of the State of the Game podcast. I created the Gosuguide. I am also a competitive player. Point is, I am many things. I also coach professionally. I have done that for over a year now. I have posted in regard to gosucoaching and other things for a very long time.
If you want to flame me or flame gosucoaching it will not be ME that warns/bans you as I am involved personally. Again, that is something that is the standard for the rest of the staff as well. I really not trying to be negative dude. But your titles are really moot when you compare your currently a TL staff member. That really shows a level of unprofessionalism when someone with your position is soliciting people. Anyone of the other members of this venture could have posted this thread. You would still be involved but not the one actively advertising it which would clear you of any direct involvement. As it stands now it really comes off badly (at least in my opinion).
Yep as said you find it reprehensible. I pay my rent with coaching. I fund my life as a progamer by coaching. I am also trying to contribute to the greatest community website. Until those two directly conflict and I make the wrong choice I don't think you should write off my "professionalism" or commitment to the community just yet.
Also saying I am "soliciting" people for money is a really poor choice of words. I offer a service and I help fund/run community events that are completely free and in fact offer money to everyone else. I think you might want to consider mitigating your criticism.
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Last I heard, I thought Louder was the one who planned on keeping gosucoaching alive, and you planned on splitting off and doing your own thing, not the other way around.
Be that as it may, for better or for worse behind-the-scenes, I wish you and everyone else the best. I only hope the coaches will find enough time between practice, scheduling and playing to do some solid coaching. Was never really behind the sc2-coaching business, but with the amount of customers ya'll are apparently getting, something must be going right.
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Great news for anyone who wants coaching, I guess. I'm happy the tournaments are back! On a side note, Louder is still in the "About Us" section of the website, and possibly other sections as well.
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On October 02 2010 04:04 Newguy wrote:
Great news for anyone who wants coaching, I guess. I'm happy the tournaments are back! On a side note, Louder is still in the "About Us" section of the website, and possibly other sections as well.
Yep this was mentioned earlier. It will be corrected.
@Cobbler: Day9 is a blue staff member. You could have looked that up though.
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On October 02 2010 04:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 03:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 03:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Your perspective/opinion is duly noted.
I however would ask that you monitor your opinion with facts.
I am an EG member. I am apart of the State of the Game podcast. I created the Gosuguide. I am also a competitive player. Point is, I am many things. I also coach professionally. I have done that for over a year now. I have posted in regard to gosucoaching and other things for a very long time.
If you want to flame me or flame gosucoaching it will not be ME that warns/bans you as I am involved personally. Again, that is something that is the standard for the rest of the staff as well. I really not trying to be negative dude. But your titles are really moot when you compare your currently a TL staff member. That really shows a level of unprofessionalism when someone with your position is soliciting people. Anyone of the other members of this venture could have posted this thread. You would still be involved but not the one actively advertising it which would clear you of any direct involvement. As it stands now it really comes off badly (at least in my opinion). Yep as said you find it reprehensible. I pay my rent with coaching. I fund my life as a progamer by coaching. I am also trying to contribute to the greatest community website. Until those two directly conflict and I make the wrong choice I don't think you should write off my "professionalism" or commitment to the community just yet. Also saying I am "soliciting" people for money is a really poor choice of words. I offer a service and I help fund/run community events that are completely free and in fact offer money to everyone else. I think you might want to consider mitigating your criticism.
I do get you do alot for this community, I get that you also treat this venture as your means to survive. However, not only are you a respected member of the community, your are part of the teamliquid staff. This means every post you make will
A) get attention based on your recognition
B) get attention based on the fact your part of staff
These two things give you instant attention from pretty well everyone who reads it. It also directly links you to this site. If the venture goes badly it could leads to TL looking badly as well.
Soliciting also isn't a poor choice of words. As i said just above, your name garners instant attention based on my two points. At the end of every post you have in your signature a link to both your guide and your coaching. Now, that may be indirect, but it is still a form of solicitation. Its similar to putting up fliers around town.
Your job as a moderator, and that of a progamer are separate, they should really be treated as such.
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On October 02 2010 04:06 krndandaman wrote:
so did Louder sell it or something to the new owner?
also gl and wb~
Yep he sold it to the new owner.
ty sir <3
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iNcontroL
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On October 02 2010 04:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 03:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 03:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Your perspective/opinion is duly noted.
I however would ask that you monitor your opinion with facts.
I am an EG member. I am apart of the State of the Game podcast. I created the Gosuguide. I am also a competitive player. Point is, I am many things. I also coach professionally. I have done that for over a year now. I have posted in regard to gosucoaching and other things for a very long time.
If you want to flame me or flame gosucoaching it will not be ME that warns/bans you as I am involved personally. Again, that is something that is the standard for the rest of the staff as well. I really not trying to be negative dude. But your titles are really moot when you compare your currently a TL staff member. That really shows a level of unprofessionalism when someone with your position is soliciting people. Anyone of the other members of this venture could have posted this thread. You would still be involved but not the one actively advertising it which would clear you of any direct involvement. As it stands now it really comes off badly (at least in my opinion). Yep as said you find it reprehensible. I pay my rent with coaching. I fund my life as a progamer by coaching. I am also trying to contribute to the greatest community website. Until those two directly conflict and I make the wrong choice I don't think you should write off my "professionalism" or commitment to the community just yet. Also saying I am "soliciting" people for money is a really poor choice of words. I offer a service and I help fund/run community events that are completely free and in fact offer money to everyone else. I think you might want to consider mitigating your criticism. I do get you do alot for this community, I get that you also treat this venture as your means to survive. However, not only are you a respected member of the community, your are part of the teamliquid staff. This means every post you make will A) get attention based on your recognition B) get attention based on the fact your part of staff These two things give you instant attention from pretty well everyone who reads it. It also directly links you to this site. If the venture goes badly it could leads to TL looking badly as well. Soliciting also isn't a poor choice of words. As i said just above, your name garners instant attention based on my two points. At the end of every post you have in your signature a link to both your guide and your coaching. Now, that may be indirect, but it is still a form of solicitation. Its similar to putting up fliers around town. Your job as a moderator, and that of a progamer are separate, they should really be treated as such.
Again, your opinion is well made!
I understand you think all the staff members should only be loyal to TL professionally and have no connections to anything else. That isn't the case... so be it!
GL
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On October 02 2010 04:06 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:04 Newguy wrote:
Great news for anyone who wants coaching, I guess. I'm happy the tournaments are back! On a side note, Louder is still in the "About Us" section of the website, and possibly other sections as well. Yep this was mentioned earlier. It will be corrected. @Cobbler: Day9 is a blue staff member. You could have looked that up though.
As a caster. Aside from that (unless im informed otherwise) does he do anything else other than the day 9 dailies? Is he involved in forum policies? Does he moderate? etc...
There are a few others in that group that also list off special bonus features of TL but to my knowledge they don't do anything aside from those. (correct me if im wrong).
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On October 02 2010 04:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 04:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 03:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 03:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Your perspective/opinion is duly noted.
I however would ask that you monitor your opinion with facts.
I am an EG member. I am apart of the State of the Game podcast. I created the Gosuguide. I am also a competitive player. Point is, I am many things. I also coach professionally. I have done that for over a year now. I have posted in regard to gosucoaching and other things for a very long time.
If you want to flame me or flame gosucoaching it will not be ME that warns/bans you as I am involved personally. Again, that is something that is the standard for the rest of the staff as well. I really not trying to be negative dude. But your titles are really moot when you compare your currently a TL staff member. That really shows a level of unprofessionalism when someone with your position is soliciting people. Anyone of the other members of this venture could have posted this thread. You would still be involved but not the one actively advertising it which would clear you of any direct involvement. As it stands now it really comes off badly (at least in my opinion). Yep as said you find it reprehensible. I pay my rent with coaching. I fund my life as a progamer by coaching. I am also trying to contribute to the greatest community website. Until those two directly conflict and I make the wrong choice I don't think you should write off my "professionalism" or commitment to the community just yet. Also saying I am "soliciting" people for money is a really poor choice of words. I offer a service and I help fund/run community events that are completely free and in fact offer money to everyone else. I think you might want to consider mitigating your criticism. I do get you do alot for this community, I get that you also treat this venture as your means to survive. However, not only are you a respected member of the community, your are part of the teamliquid staff. This means every post you make will A) get attention based on your recognition B) get attention based on the fact your part of staff These two things give you instant attention from pretty well everyone who reads it. It also directly links you to this site. If the venture goes badly it could leads to TL looking badly as well. Soliciting also isn't a poor choice of words. As i said just above, your name garners instant attention based on my two points. At the end of every post you have in your signature a link to both your guide and your coaching. Now, that may be indirect, but it is still a form of solicitation. Its similar to putting up fliers around town. Your job as a moderator, and that of a progamer are separate, they should really be treated as such. Again, your opinion is well made! I understand you think all the staff members should only be loyal to TL professionally and have no connections to anything else. That isn't the case... so be it! GL
Eh? you keep the two jobs seperate as best as possible. If you work at place A you try not to have anything from it spill over to B regardless of if the two are tied or not.
I get people will have connections to other things, hell we all have personal lives, but mixing two jobs for personal gain (whereas most people in your position would get warned/banned for it) is really inappropriate.
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gosucoaching weekly fuck yeah
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iNcontroL
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On October 02 2010 04:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 04:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 04:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 03:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 03:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Your perspective/opinion is duly noted.
I however would ask that you monitor your opinion with facts.
I am an EG member. I am apart of the State of the Game podcast. I created the Gosuguide. I am also a competitive player. Point is, I am many things. I also coach professionally. I have done that for over a year now. I have posted in regard to gosucoaching and other things for a very long time.
If you want to flame me or flame gosucoaching it will not be ME that warns/bans you as I am involved personally. Again, that is something that is the standard for the rest of the staff as well. I really not trying to be negative dude. But your titles are really moot when you compare your currently a TL staff member. That really shows a level of unprofessionalism when someone with your position is soliciting people. Anyone of the other members of this venture could have posted this thread. You would still be involved but not the one actively advertising it which would clear you of any direct involvement. As it stands now it really comes off badly (at least in my opinion). Yep as said you find it reprehensible. I pay my rent with coaching. I fund my life as a progamer by coaching. I am also trying to contribute to the greatest community website. Until those two directly conflict and I make the wrong choice I don't think you should write off my "professionalism" or commitment to the community just yet. Also saying I am "soliciting" people for money is a really poor choice of words. I offer a service and I help fund/run community events that are completely free and in fact offer money to everyone else. I think you might want to consider mitigating your criticism. I do get you do alot for this community, I get that you also treat this venture as your means to survive. However, not only are you a respected member of the community, your are part of the teamliquid staff. This means every post you make will A) get attention based on your recognition B) get attention based on the fact your part of staff These two things give you instant attention from pretty well everyone who reads it. It also directly links you to this site. If the venture goes badly it could leads to TL looking badly as well. Soliciting also isn't a poor choice of words. As i said just above, your name garners instant attention based on my two points. At the end of every post you have in your signature a link to both your guide and your coaching. Now, that may be indirect, but it is still a form of solicitation. Its similar to putting up fliers around town. Your job as a moderator, and that of a progamer are separate, they should really be treated as such. Again, your opinion is well made! I understand you think all the staff members should only be loyal to TL professionally and have no connections to anything else. That isn't the case... so be it! GL Eh? you keep the two jobs seperate as best as possible. If you work at place A you try not to have anything from it spill over to B regardless of if the two are tied or not. I get people will have connections to other things, hell we all have personal lives, but mixing two jobs for personal gain (whereas most people in your position would get warned/banned for it) is really inappropriate.
Gotcha!
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On October 02 2010 04:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 04:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 04:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 03:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 03:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Your perspective/opinion is duly noted.
I however would ask that you monitor your opinion with facts.
I am an EG member. I am apart of the State of the Game podcast. I created the Gosuguide. I am also a competitive player. Point is, I am many things. I also coach professionally. I have done that for over a year now. I have posted in regard to gosucoaching and other things for a very long time.
If you want to flame me or flame gosucoaching it will not be ME that warns/bans you as I am involved personally. Again, that is something that is the standard for the rest of the staff as well. I really not trying to be negative dude. But your titles are really moot when you compare your currently a TL staff member. That really shows a level of unprofessionalism when someone with your position is soliciting people. Anyone of the other members of this venture could have posted this thread. You would still be involved but not the one actively advertising it which would clear you of any direct involvement. As it stands now it really comes off badly (at least in my opinion). Yep as said you find it reprehensible. I pay my rent with coaching. I fund my life as a progamer by coaching. I am also trying to contribute to the greatest community website. Until those two directly conflict and I make the wrong choice I don't think you should write off my "professionalism" or commitment to the community just yet. Also saying I am "soliciting" people for money is a really poor choice of words. I offer a service and I help fund/run community events that are completely free and in fact offer money to everyone else. I think you might want to consider mitigating your criticism. I do get you do alot for this community, I get that you also treat this venture as your means to survive. However, not only are you a respected member of the community, your are part of the teamliquid staff. This means every post you make will A) get attention based on your recognition B) get attention based on the fact your part of staff These two things give you instant attention from pretty well everyone who reads it. It also directly links you to this site. If the venture goes badly it could leads to TL looking badly as well. Soliciting also isn't a poor choice of words. As i said just above, your name garners instant attention based on my two points. At the end of every post you have in your signature a link to both your guide and your coaching. Now, that may be indirect, but it is still a form of solicitation. Its similar to putting up fliers around town. Your job as a moderator, and that of a progamer are separate, they should really be treated as such. Again, your opinion is well made! I understand you think all the staff members should only be loyal to TL professionally and have no connections to anything else. That isn't the case... so be it! GL Eh? you keep the two jobs seperate as best as possible. If you work at place A you try not to have anything from it spill over to B regardless of if the two are tied or not. I get people will have connections to other things, hell we all have personal lives, but mixing two jobs for personal gain (whereas most people in your position would get warned/banned for it) is really inappropriate.
I've gotta second his opinion.
iNc, I absolutely love the idea of gosucoaching, and gosuguide. I'm glad that there are high level players such as yourself that are involved in it. And, because of the type of website TL is, I find it entirely appropriate that your service is recognized, and I would go so far as to say that it should be advertised on TL. It really does deserve it.
But I agree with BloodyC0bbler on this. Because of your position on TL, you're probably the last person who should be posting this..... I have nothing against you personally, its is because of your position. To a lot of people, who don't know about your background, this will look bad.....
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Hey everybody! Let's stop with the derailment. Have it in a PM, but don't have it here. If something is to be done, it'll be done. Posting more about it won't raise the issue any more than it already has.
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INC are you gonna be casting games?? say yes!
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That's a pretty funny bus throw on Louder there, but he did deserve it I suppose.
I imagined you'd try to change the name of the service tho =o
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GL to gosucoaching it looks really interesting as a business. I look forward to playing in some tournaments.
Part of my original post dont want to derail:+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2010 04:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 04:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 04:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 04:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On October 02 2010 03:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 02 2010 03:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Your perspective/opinion is duly noted.
I however would ask that you monitor your opinion with facts.
I am an EG member. I am apart of the State of the Game podcast. I created the Gosuguide. I am also a competitive player. Point is, I am many things. I also coach professionally. I have done that for over a year now. I have posted in regard to gosucoaching and other things for a very long time.
If you want to flame me or flame gosucoaching it will not be ME that warns/bans you as I am involved personally. Again, that is something that is the standard for the rest of the staff as well. I really not trying to be negative dude. But your titles are really moot when you compare your currently a TL staff member. That really shows a level of unprofessionalism when someone with your position is soliciting people. Anyone of the other members of this venture could have posted this thread. You would still be involved but not the one actively advertising it which would clear you of any direct involvement. As it stands now it really comes off badly (at least in my opinion). Yep as said you find it reprehensible. I pay my rent with coaching. I fund my life as a progamer by coaching. I am also trying to contribute to the greatest community website. Until those two directly conflict and I make the wrong choice I don't think you should write off my "professionalism" or commitment to the community just yet. Also saying I am "soliciting" people for money is a really poor choice of words. I offer a service and I help fund/run community events that are completely free and in fact offer money to everyone else. I think you might want to consider mitigating your criticism. I do get you do alot for this community, I get that you also treat this venture as your means to survive. However, not only are you a respected member of the community, your are part of the teamliquid staff. This means every post you make will A) get attention based on your recognition B) get attention based on the fact your part of staff These two things give you instant attention from pretty well everyone who reads it. It also directly links you to this site. If the venture goes badly it could leads to TL looking badly as well. Soliciting also isn't a poor choice of words. As i said just above, your name garners instant attention based on my two points. At the end of every post you have in your signature a link to both your guide and your coaching. Now, that may be indirect, but it is still a form of solicitation. Its similar to putting up fliers around town. Your job as a moderator, and that of a progamer are separate, they should really be treated as such. Again, your opinion is well made! I understand you think all the staff members should only be loyal to TL professionally and have no connections to anything else. That isn't the case... so be it! GL Eh? you keep the two jobs seperate as best as possible. If you work at place A you try not to have anything from it spill over to B regardless of if the two are tied or not. I get people will have connections to other things, hell we all have personal lives, but mixing two jobs for personal gain (whereas most people in your position would get warned/banned for it) is really inappropriate. Dude this is a community forum not some crazy political party. Incontrol seems pretty respectful in all his posts here and if gosucoaching took another turn for the worst it would stain his own name and the coaches involved not TL. Sure maybe a few bad apples out there might not be able to tell the difference between two completely separate sites but do we want those kind of posters here anyway?
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Why did you guys decide to keep the same name? Usually people change names to symbolize new beginnings and most importantly gain a new name without all the negativity associated with the old name. I think a new name would strengthen the message you are trying to spread, and I'm perplexed why you as businessmen didn't exploit that opportunity.
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