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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
On November 02 2009 12:15 Nitrogen wrote: yeah i imagined the op would be about him whipping some other guy with a towel and wondering if that makes him a dick Yeah this is what I was expecting lol. You are kind of an ass I guess, you should have paused the game then ran and done it as quickly as possible to avoid this nasty situation. | ||
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biomedical
235 Posts
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
On November 02 2009 12:35 Liquid`Drone wrote: im not saying you shouldnt respect your father if he has some tiny flaws or whatever, but if he's a complete jackass? what if he beats your mom? all im saying is that fatherhood doesn't equal respect by default.. a good dad obviously deserves it, and im not saying op's dad is a bad father or not worthy of respect. just that it's not some kind of default state, respect needs to be earned even for a parent. I agree with this completely. Then again Ive always been what is nowadays termed a "strong willed" child. (I know this because my sister has recently had her second kid and is all about reading these parenting books and since shes 11 years older than me she can give amazing specifics about my childhood). Some people are just combative by nature and dont like being walked over or have problems with authority. Also being patronizing and calling it maturity is annoying as hell too =-) Thats a good way to get someone not to do something again. | ||
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mangomango
United States265 Posts
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On November 02 2009 12:24 FrozenArbiter wrote: Yes for sure, I posted the same thing higher up in that quote chain!!  See? That was me ;p I'm really, really surprised at a lot of the responses in this thread, but I guess people have different habits. In itself, "can't you do it?" is not disrespectful. However, having some measure of experience with the annoyance losing at SC can cause... I can well imagine that it wasn't said in the most diplomatic of ways. Heh. "Why can't you do it?" has a pretty disrespectful connotation. "Can't you do it" is more along the lines of "Could you please do it for me". It's the "Why can't" that makes it seem more rude. It's like, "Why can't you do it? [Are you too lazy?]" | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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Element)LoGiC
Canada1143 Posts
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winterBlossom
Australia27 Posts
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UGC4
Peru532 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
I mean, the father (and mother) decides "oh we want to have a kid. Someone who is going to be basically useless for a good 20 years or so". I feel like a "parent" basically signed a contract agreeing to provide for their kid until they can provide for themselves. There is nothing that says "if i have a kid, I will have a mini version of myself that will drop everything and do menial tasks for me that I could have done in 2-3 seconds" Trying to teach your child a lesson in responsibility is great. telling them that they owe you something because of their decisions is not. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On November 02 2009 12:35 Liquid`Drone wrote: im not saying you shouldnt respect your father if he has some tiny flaws or whatever, but if he's a complete jackass? what if he beats your mom? all im saying is that fatherhood doesn't equal respect by default.. a good dad obviously deserves it, and im not saying op's dad is a bad father or not worthy of respect. just that it's not some kind of default state, respect needs to be earned even for a parent. Disagree. The default state given to your father is respect (of course this extends to the mother as well). Simply put, they're the reason you are here today. They housed, fed, taught, etc.. you for the beginning portion of your life. This in it of itself simply establishes lifetime respect. However, I do believe there are EXCEPTIONS to this, for example beating you or your mom for the hell of it or dumping you in a ditch when you were 9, that would not warrant this respect anymore. But these are only in extreme and narrow cases. A father being a complete jackass, in my opinion, doesn't fit into this category and should still be respected by his kids. Sure, your take on earning respect is reasonable when applied towards unrelated third parties; however, I think a father/mother should not be lumped in the same category. | ||
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afg-warrior
Afghanistan328 Posts
to say "do it yourself" i can't even imagine saying something like that to my dad or mom. my brother i could see myself saying it to. but would never think of saying something like that to my parents. maybe its cultural or something but until you get your ass out of that house or pay all its bills, the boss' word is law (of course within limits). but even then living in my own house with a family and everything, i still wouldn't do something like that. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On November 02 2009 13:14 lvatural wrote: Disagree. The default state given to your father is respect (of course this extends to the mother as well). Simply put, they're the reason you are here today. They housed, fed, taught, etc.. you for the beginning portion of your life. This in it of itself simply establishes lifetime respect. However, I do believe there are EXCEPTIONS to this, for example beating you or your mom for the hell of it or dumping you in a ditch when you were 9, that would not warrant this respect anymore. But these are only in extreme and narrow cases. A father being a complete jackass, in my opinion, doesn't fit into this category and should still be respected by his kids. Sure, your take on earning respect is reasonable when applied towards unrelated third parties; however, I think a father/mother should not be lumped in the same category. Disagree Respect is ALWAYS earned. no exceptions, parent or not. Same reasoning as you. They are the reason you are here today. YOU didn't choose to have parents or be born, THEY chose to have a child which they KNEW they would have to provide for for years and years. I don't see how that enables automatic respect | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On November 02 2009 12:35 Liquid`Drone wrote: im not saying you shouldnt respect your father if he has some tiny flaws or whatever, but if he's a complete jackass? what if he beats your mom? all im saying is that fatherhood doesn't equal respect by default.. a good dad obviously deserves it, and im not saying op's dad is a bad father or not worthy of respect. just that it's not some kind of default state, respect needs to be earned even for a parent. I agree it needs to be earned. Don't you feel it's been earned by the fact that OP is where he is today? With a roof over his head, over 2 decades of taking care of the OP, providing the basic necessities and so much more (like teaching him pretty much everything about everything, providing him with internet and electronics and all other luxuries), etc.. Obviously exceptions exist to everything, Ivatural summed it up nicely. Nevertheless, the fact that OP is where he is makes his dad deserve nothing less than uttermost respect, barring some really extraneous circumstances which don't seem to exist in OPs case. And really, valuing a random computer game moreso than a perfectly reasonable request of his father is absolutely ridiculous, nevermind his absolutely shittastic attitude towards it to begin with. I'm basically just rambling and saying the fact that the OP is where he is means his dad deserves the respect, don't you agree? | ||
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
On November 02 2009 13:24 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Disagree Respect is ALWAYS earned. no exceptions, parent or not. Same reasoning as you. They are the reason you are here today. YOU didn't choose to have parents or be born, THEY chose to have a child which they KNEW they would have to provide for for years and years. I don't see how that enables automatic respect I agree, there are tons of bad parents out there that don't deserve to be parents. Yes, DESERVE. However I would have to say the OP is irresponsible, having put a minor game over taking responsibility over his own laundry. I thought BW came with a pause button now... | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
If my dad told me to turn off the computer for no reason what so ever in the middle of a A+ ICCUP game or a tournie final you bet your ass i'd do it. i'd try explaining to him why its important but if he wanted me to do something else i'd get off my ass and do it. I'm sorry but doing things for no reason/no explanation is not something I'd do just because I respect and love someone. I don't think this makes me a horrible person. Fortunately, none of my parents would ever tell me to do something like that without a good reason so it's not like the situation will ever come up. | ||
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
good luck. Hm i should go to work, nah i must finish this game. Hm i should cook dinner for myself, nah i must micro my muta. Hm i should probably take a shower, no wait im almost D+!! Just a few more games. | ||
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Steelflight-Rx
United States1389 Posts
I think for anyone, it's pretty obvious that your dad wasnt just pissed about the towels, unless he's chemically imbalanced. You have probably been being irresponsible in many other ways, and this is what set him off. (well, you said you fight a lot anyways, so i guess thats more proof that he wasnt pissed about the towels, but just pissed at you) | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On November 02 2009 13:24 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Disagree Respect is ALWAYS earned. no exceptions, parent or not. Same reasoning as you. They are the reason you are here today. YOU didn't choose to have parents or be born, THEY chose to have a child which they KNEW they would have to provide for for years and years. I don't see how that enables automatic respect If you want to get technical read my first paragraph again. The fact that they raised you properly-->immense respect is earning it in your speak. All I'm saying is that generally all parents will do a reasonable job when it comes to raising kids. This simple fact in itself is enough to warrant the lifetime respect I am talking about regardless of any inherent personality flaw like being a complete jackass. Remember that I'm not talking about extreme cases of egregious conduct by the parent. Also, I disagree with you saying that respect is ALWAYS earned but that's a bitch to get into right now so lets just say we're of differing opinions. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
dad shouldve asked the son to do it perhaps in half an hour instead of giving urgency to the situation. it fucking sucks when you are winning a game and lose because your dad told you to do something that you can just as easily do after teh game. | ||
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