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On November 02 2009 13:43 ramen247 wrote:
he can obviously do his laundry, but his dad is not considerate when he makes his son distracted while he is preoccupied.
dad shouldve asked the son to do it perhaps in half an hour instead of giving urgency to the situation.
it fucking sucks when you are winning a game and lose because your dad told you to do something that you can just as easily do after teh game.
I don't know if you or the OP knows this but.....
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STARCRAFT HAS A PAUSE BUTTON.
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Both of you were asses. There is no reason your father couldnt take your laundry out of the washing machine. It is not like that is a difficult activity. It only takes a few seconds. The way you responded to your father did seem a bit disrespectful though.
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On November 02 2009 13:41 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 13:24 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On November 02 2009 13:14 lvatural wrote:On November 02 2009 12:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 02 2009 11:50 JeeJee wrote:On November 02 2009 11:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
as for the whole "respect your dad because he is your dad", that's a bunch of bullshit, especially when you are 22 years old. if your dad is a jackass, he doesnt deserve your respect. seriously? i don't care how much of an asshole my father is, him providing for me when i was fucking useless to the world is enough to earn my respect and forget any of his little faults for pretty much ever, whether i'm living alone or with him (especially moreso in the latter case) im not saying you shouldnt respect your father if he has some tiny flaws or whatever, but if he's a complete jackass? what if he beats your mom? all im saying is that fatherhood doesn't equal respect by default.. a good dad obviously deserves it, and im not saying op's dad is a bad father or not worthy of respect. just that it's not some kind of default state, respect needs to be earned even for a parent. Disagree. The default state given to your father is respect (of course this extends to the mother as well). Simply put, they're the reason you are here today. They housed, fed, taught, etc.. you for the beginning portion of your life. This in it of itself simply establishes lifetime respect. However, I do believe there are EXCEPTIONS to this, for example beating you or your mom for the hell of it or dumping you in a ditch when you were 9, that would not warrant this respect anymore. But these are only in extreme and narrow cases. A father being a complete jackass, in my opinion, doesn't fit into this category and should still be respected by his kids. Sure, your take on earning respect is reasonable when applied towards unrelated third parties; however, I think a father/mother should not be lumped in the same category. Disagree Respect is ALWAYS earned. no exceptions, parent or not. Same reasoning as you. They are the reason you are here today. YOU didn't choose to have parents or be born, THEY chose to have a child which they KNEW they would have to provide for for years and years. I don't see how that enables automatic respect If you want to get technical read my first paragraph again. The fact that they raised you properly-->immense respect is earning it in your speak. All I'm saying is that generally all parents will do a reasonable job when it comes to raising kids. This simple fact in itself is enough to warrant the lifetime respect I am talking about regardless of any inherent personality flaw like being a complete jackass. Remember that I'm not talking about extreme cases of egregious conduct by the parent. Also, I disagree with you saying that respect is ALWAYS earned but that's a bitch to get into right now so lets just say we're of differing opinions.
Doing a reasonable job of raising a child to the best of their abilities is what they agree to do when they have a child..
Thats why when they don't do a reasonable job of raising a child, there are laws against that and the government (hopefully) intervenes. Because the parents didn't uphold their bargain.
I just can't give someone respect because they did what they agreed to do.
The way I see it, a child is raised and provided for while doing nothing in return for their parents. This is an equal footing situation. In an equal to equal interaction, there either has to be mutual respect or respect has to be earned both ways.
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On November 02 2009 13:33 Probe. wrote:
You can't even finish doing your laundry and you want to move out and live by yourself?
good luck.
Hm i should go to work, nah i must finish this game.
Hm i should cook dinner for myself, nah i must micro my muta.
Hm i should probably take a shower, no wait im almost D+!! Just a few more games.
Wow your logic is terrible. I don't know if it's too far of a stretch for you to consider planning ahead, but though my day I allot time to what I will be doing. The only problems I ever have are unexpected this that crop up whilst I'm busy. So yes, I would be off in time to go to work. No, I wouldn't go do some random bullshit that someone else could do in 5 seconds. Please use your brain instead of trying to exhibit a horrid troll.
+ Show Spoiler +Then again this is by my logic and not his. But I assume it would be similar
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On November 02 2009 13:33 Probe. wrote:
You can't even finish doing your laundry and you want to move out and live by yourself?
good luck.
Hm i should go to work, nah i must finish this game.
Hm i should cook dinner for myself, nah i must micro my muta.
Hm i should probably take a shower, no wait im almost D+!! Just a few more games.
You have a terrible grasp on reality
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Idiocy: nature or nurture? Discuss.
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You actually talked to your dad like that eh? My Dad did a good job raising my brothers and I. And even though I dont live with him (moved out at 18 now 22) I still talk to him with respect. My dad did the same things you described. Its his house, his rules and sc is not as far reaching as showing respect to a parent.
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You shouldn't have talked that way to your dad, but I'm surprised at a lot of the responses in the thread. Judging from their posts, there should be no way they've ever gotten into a spat with their parents. By the way, if you're thinking of having a kid and you're planning for that child to be completely obedient, respectful, and have him/her do all the chores, you're probably better off hiring a maid and buying a dog. It's a lot cheaper anyway.
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Baltimore, USA22256 Posts
On November 02 2009 12:11 eMbrace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 11:53 EvilTeletubby wrote:On November 02 2009 11:50 SanguineToss wrote:On November 02 2009 11:46 EvilTeletubby wrote:You're an absolute ass; basically an immature teenager. I know because I did the same crap when I was that age... tbh, my Dad put up with a LOT of crap with me, and I honestly don't know if I could do the same. I'm going to guess you're in the 16-19 age range - that being the case, you have very low accountability and responsibilities... real life will hit you in a few years, and then you'll understand, I honestly don't think you would right now. The long and short is that, quite frankly, you are extremely unappreciative of everything you have and that he has done for you - you're young, that's just how it goes. We've all had that attitude, you can ask anyone here who is in their mid twenties and beyond. The best advice I can say is apologize to your father asap. Trust me, it will mean a LOT to him, even if he doesn't show it. In a few years you'll be out on your own and it'll get much better... use this type of thing as motivation to do well with school/work to put yourself in a position to move out. My Dad did a lot for me, but we butted heads all the time, especially over things like how much time I spent playing video games, and things I did or didn't do around the house, and now that I'm out on my own we're real cool all the time  he said he was 22. Wow, you're right... I read that like twice and still missed it. In that case, he's an even bigger jackass, and I can see why the Dad is getting so irritated. That's really the age when you really really want to move out and do your own thing. Edit - Catch]22, I'm not trying to come down real hard on you, but as JeeJee previously mentioned, you really need to see this from the other side. One piece of advice I think a lot of people need to realize sooner rather than later is that the world owes you absolutely nothing. It's laundry. This isn't about bowing down to those who shelter you, or sucking up to your boss. It's laundry. It's a task that most human beings can achieve within 60 seconds (I've seen faster, but I don't have proof so don't call me out please). Father or son, you are both human. You don't take your laundry out immediately after it finishes because you are human and spending your time elsewhere. So when someone comes across it, and feels that because they provide for you that you should be be mr.perfect about every little thing -- they are being ridiculous. That being said -- you don't talk back to ridiculous people.
Like I said before, I can guarantee that this isn't the first incident where something like this happened. Yes, it's physically just laundry. But it's the principle that matters.
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On November 02 2009 14:45 foxbearcheetah wrote:
You shouldn't have talked that way to your dad, but I'm surprised at a lot of the responses in the thread. Judging from their posts, there should be no way they've ever gotten into a spat with their parents. By the way, if you're thinking of having a kid and you're planning for that child to be completely obedient, respectful, and have him/her do all the chores, you're probably better off hiring a maid and buying a dog. It's a lot cheaper anyway.
Uh, no? The reason most of us know he is in the wrong is not because ANY of us were ever perfect ourselves, but because we've been in this exact same situation before and probably made the same mistakes, many in the son's position, a few even in the father's position as well.
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*blink*
how many of you defending this guy actually live away from your parents and support yourself on your own fucking dime?
I mean, if i was in this situation (today, not as a teenager), my mom and dad would never ask me to leave a starcraft game to go and do something. that being said. you're a cheeky fucking cunt, and the only reason i wouldn't backhand you is because you'd probably be a whiny faggot and call out abuse or some bullshit.
by the age of 22 i had signed my 2nd 1-year lease. i had been paying all of my own bills - internet, phone, cable, hydro, etc. i was helping my sister through a cocaine addiction. i had let my friend who was depressed and unemployed stay with me in my 350 sq ft. bachelor suite for 6 months - rent free. i had lent out [thousands] of dollars to my parents cause they were in a tough situation. i had negotiated my 2nd contract at a full-time job and probably life-time career. and yes, i even did my laundry. this, in spite of having dropped out of highschool in grade 9.
i don't expect everyone to mature at the same speed, but cmon, you're not 15 anymore. you're 22 years old. stop being a whiny little bitch. If i was your father you would not have a chance to move out, you would be gone. My parents didn't really know what the fuck they were doing - hell, by your age they had already been parents for 2 years. Being an adult at 24 and knowing that i know absolutely fuck all about life gives me a tremendous amount of perspective on their situation; they might not have been good parents, but that was because they were fucking children when they had children.
i think you anger me so much because i was exactly like you when i was 15 years old. i am so thankful i've had a life that has forced me to get with the fucking program.
if you don't like living at home, move the fuck out. i did when i was 18. your father's word is pretty much law unless you're paying your share of the bills.
seriously, when i have kids, they're earning their fucking keep. by the time they can earn their food, they will be earning it. if they want to go to school, they can take out a loan from me or the bank. the idea that my kid would turn out like you is absolutely terrifying, and pushes me in the direction of being an absolute tyrant so they have some idea of integrity, reality, and respect. holy fuck.
edit - wow i'm especially bitchy today. i'm dating this guy who is absolutely horrible in bed. after fooling around for over an hour and him having no idea what the fuck he was doing, i was too irritated to cum. i've been in a bad mood since.
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On November 02 2009 14:11 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 13:41 lvatural wrote:On November 02 2009 13:24 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On November 02 2009 13:14 lvatural wrote:On November 02 2009 12:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 02 2009 11:50 JeeJee wrote:On November 02 2009 11:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
as for the whole "respect your dad because he is your dad", that's a bunch of bullshit, especially when you are 22 years old. if your dad is a jackass, he doesnt deserve your respect. seriously? i don't care how much of an asshole my father is, him providing for me when i was fucking useless to the world is enough to earn my respect and forget any of his little faults for pretty much ever, whether i'm living alone or with him (especially moreso in the latter case) im not saying you shouldnt respect your father if he has some tiny flaws or whatever, but if he's a complete jackass? what if he beats your mom? all im saying is that fatherhood doesn't equal respect by default.. a good dad obviously deserves it, and im not saying op's dad is a bad father or not worthy of respect. just that it's not some kind of default state, respect needs to be earned even for a parent. Disagree. The default state given to your father is respect (of course this extends to the mother as well). Simply put, they're the reason you are here today. They housed, fed, taught, etc.. you for the beginning portion of your life. This in it of itself simply establishes lifetime respect. However, I do believe there are EXCEPTIONS to this, for example beating you or your mom for the hell of it or dumping you in a ditch when you were 9, that would not warrant this respect anymore. But these are only in extreme and narrow cases. A father being a complete jackass, in my opinion, doesn't fit into this category and should still be respected by his kids. Sure, your take on earning respect is reasonable when applied towards unrelated third parties; however, I think a father/mother should not be lumped in the same category. Disagree Respect is ALWAYS earned. no exceptions, parent or not. Same reasoning as you. They are the reason you are here today. YOU didn't choose to have parents or be born, THEY chose to have a child which they KNEW they would have to provide for for years and years. I don't see how that enables automatic respect If you want to get technical read my first paragraph again. The fact that they raised you properly-->immense respect is earning it in your speak. All I'm saying is that generally all parents will do a reasonable job when it comes to raising kids. This simple fact in itself is enough to warrant the lifetime respect I am talking about regardless of any inherent personality flaw like being a complete jackass. Remember that I'm not talking about extreme cases of egregious conduct by the parent. Also, I disagree with you saying that respect is ALWAYS earned but that's a bitch to get into right now so lets just say we're of differing opinions. Doing a reasonable job of raising a child to the best of their abilities is what they agree to do when they have a child.. Thats why when they don't do a reasonable job of raising a child, there are laws against that and the government (hopefully) intervenes. Because the parents didn't uphold their bargain. I just can't give someone respect because they did what they agreed to do. The way I see it, a child is raised and provided for while doing nothing in return for their parents. This is an equal footing situation. In an equal to equal interaction, there either has to be mutual respect or respect has to be earned both ways.
You make it sound like there was some kind of binding contract between the parents and the unborn child. How can both parties agree to something when the child isn't even born yet? How can parents uphold a bargain when none existed in the first place? This analogy makes no sense to me because in your scenario one party doesn't even exist when the contract was made.
But I think I do understand the general idea you are purporting, and I still disagree. Simply to say that, "it is the parent's job to raise a child properly and, thus, doing so does not deserve any respect" is a really crude way to look at things.
That's analogous to saying that, "a fireman saving people's lives doesn't deserve any respect because it is a part of his job description" is simply nonsense. The fact that the fireman DECIDED to take this job and perform it REASONABLY is why the respect is given. Would you say that a person that is not a fireman that did exactly the same thing would warrant more respect? Possibly but it would be hard to say that simply because a man is labeled as a 'fireman' and does the same thing he should receive NO respect.
The fact that the parent decided to undertake this difficult "job" and accomplished it reasonably in it of itself is deserving of a large amount of respect.
Equal footing? There is no equal footing, the parents have the child by the balls thousand to one.
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On November 02 2009 14:50 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 12:11 eMbrace wrote:On November 02 2009 11:53 EvilTeletubby wrote:On November 02 2009 11:50 SanguineToss wrote:On November 02 2009 11:46 EvilTeletubby wrote:You're an absolute ass; basically an immature teenager. I know because I did the same crap when I was that age... tbh, my Dad put up with a LOT of crap with me, and I honestly don't know if I could do the same. I'm going to guess you're in the 16-19 age range - that being the case, you have very low accountability and responsibilities... real life will hit you in a few years, and then you'll understand, I honestly don't think you would right now. The long and short is that, quite frankly, you are extremely unappreciative of everything you have and that he has done for you - you're young, that's just how it goes. We've all had that attitude, you can ask anyone here who is in their mid twenties and beyond. The best advice I can say is apologize to your father asap. Trust me, it will mean a LOT to him, even if he doesn't show it. In a few years you'll be out on your own and it'll get much better... use this type of thing as motivation to do well with school/work to put yourself in a position to move out. My Dad did a lot for me, but we butted heads all the time, especially over things like how much time I spent playing video games, and things I did or didn't do around the house, and now that I'm out on my own we're real cool all the time he said he was 22. Wow, you're right... I read that like twice and still missed it. In that case, he's an even bigger jackass, and I can see why the Dad is getting so irritated. That's really the age when you really really want to move out and do your own thing. Edit - Catch]22, I'm not trying to come down real hard on you, but as JeeJee previously mentioned, you really need to see this from the other side. One piece of advice I think a lot of people need to realize sooner rather than later is that the world owes you absolutely nothing. It's laundry. This isn't about bowing down to those who shelter you, or sucking up to your boss. It's laundry. It's a task that most human beings can achieve within 60 seconds (I've seen faster, but I don't have proof so don't call me out please). Father or son, you are both human. You don't take your laundry out immediately after it finishes because you are human and spending your time elsewhere. So when someone comes across it, and feels that because they provide for you that you should be be mr.perfect about every little thing -- they are being ridiculous. That being said -- you don't talk back to ridiculous people. Like I said before, I can guarantee that this isn't the first incident where something like this happened. Yes, it's physically just laundry. But it's the principle that matters.
What I was getting at is that they both need to step back and realize what stress is doing to them.
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Baltimore, USA22256 Posts
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Mora <3
Btw moved to Blogs
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On November 02 2009 14:52 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 14:45 foxbearcheetah wrote:
You shouldn't have talked that way to your dad, but I'm surprised at a lot of the responses in the thread. Judging from their posts, there should be no way they've ever gotten into a spat with their parents. By the way, if you're thinking of having a kid and you're planning for that child to be completely obedient, respectful, and have him/her do all the chores, you're probably better off hiring a maid and buying a dog. It's a lot cheaper anyway. Uh, no? The reason most of us know he is in the wrong is not because ANY of us were ever perfect ourselves, but because we've been in this exact same situation before and probably made the same mistakes, many in the son's position, a few even in the father's position as well.
That's what I was getting at. A lot of people are ignoring that fact and imo being too harsh on the OP. Reading something along the lines of "you little ingrate you came out of your dad's balls stfu" it really pisses me off that they're advocating that staunch authoritarian view.
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On November 02 2009 14:56 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 14:11 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On November 02 2009 13:41 lvatural wrote:On November 02 2009 13:24 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On November 02 2009 13:14 lvatural wrote:On November 02 2009 12:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 02 2009 11:50 JeeJee wrote:On November 02 2009 11:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
as for the whole "respect your dad because he is your dad", that's a bunch of bullshit, especially when you are 22 years old. if your dad is a jackass, he doesnt deserve your respect. seriously? i don't care how much of an asshole my father is, him providing for me when i was fucking useless to the world is enough to earn my respect and forget any of his little faults for pretty much ever, whether i'm living alone or with him (especially moreso in the latter case) im not saying you shouldnt respect your father if he has some tiny flaws or whatever, but if he's a complete jackass? what if he beats your mom? all im saying is that fatherhood doesn't equal respect by default.. a good dad obviously deserves it, and im not saying op's dad is a bad father or not worthy of respect. just that it's not some kind of default state, respect needs to be earned even for a parent. Disagree. The default state given to your father is respect (of course this extends to the mother as well). Simply put, they're the reason you are here today. They housed, fed, taught, etc.. you for the beginning portion of your life. This in it of itself simply establishes lifetime respect. However, I do believe there are EXCEPTIONS to this, for example beating you or your mom for the hell of it or dumping you in a ditch when you were 9, that would not warrant this respect anymore. But these are only in extreme and narrow cases. A father being a complete jackass, in my opinion, doesn't fit into this category and should still be respected by his kids. Sure, your take on earning respect is reasonable when applied towards unrelated third parties; however, I think a father/mother should not be lumped in the same category. Disagree Respect is ALWAYS earned. no exceptions, parent or not. Same reasoning as you. They are the reason you are here today. YOU didn't choose to have parents or be born, THEY chose to have a child which they KNEW they would have to provide for for years and years. I don't see how that enables automatic respect If you want to get technical read my first paragraph again. The fact that they raised you properly-->immense respect is earning it in your speak. All I'm saying is that generally all parents will do a reasonable job when it comes to raising kids. This simple fact in itself is enough to warrant the lifetime respect I am talking about regardless of any inherent personality flaw like being a complete jackass. Remember that I'm not talking about extreme cases of egregious conduct by the parent. Also, I disagree with you saying that respect is ALWAYS earned but that's a bitch to get into right now so lets just say we're of differing opinions. Doing a reasonable job of raising a child to the best of their abilities is what they agree to do when they have a child.. Thats why when they don't do a reasonable job of raising a child, there are laws against that and the government (hopefully) intervenes. Because the parents didn't uphold their bargain. I just can't give someone respect because they did what they agreed to do. The way I see it, a child is raised and provided for while doing nothing in return for their parents. This is an equal footing situation. In an equal to equal interaction, there either has to be mutual respect or respect has to be earned both ways. You make it sound like there was some kind of binding contract between the parents and the unborn child. How can both parties agree to something when the child isn't even born yet? How can parents uphold a bargain when none existed in the first place? This analogy makes no sense to me because in your scenario one party doesn't even exist when the contract was made. But I think I do understand the general idea you are purporting, and I still disagree. Simply to say that, "it is the parent's job to raise a child properly and, thus, doing so does not deserve any respect" is a really crude way to look at things. That's analogous to saying that, "a fireman saving people's lives doesn't deserve any respect because it is a part of his job description" is simply nonsense. The fact that the fireman DECIDED to take this job and perform it REASONABLY is why the respect is given. Would you say that a person that is not a fireman that did exactly the same thing would warrant more respect? Possibly but it would be hard to say that simply because a man is labeled as a 'fireman' and does the same thing he should receive NO respect. The fact that the parent decided to undertake this difficult "job" and accomplished it reasonably in it of itself is deserving of a large amount of respect. Equal footing? There is no equal footing, the parents have the child by the balls thousand to one.
And just because the fireman saved your life doesn't mean he should demand free food when you are working at your food service job.
Are you going to give him the free stuff? Sure you are, he saved your life after all -- but he is guilt tripping you by making you do unreasonable tasks simply because he did his job properly.
Making someone run down to a washing machine to place a towel in the dryer adjacent to it is unreasonable.
this is more about stress control issues that both the father and son have.
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YOU ARE A FUKIN ASS.
Stop complaining to us, pull that stick out of our ass, get off your highhorse, and suck it up.
He's your father. How do you think he feels when he sees his 22 year old son playing a video game and bad mouthing him at the same time. He's provided for you his whole life. You're dad is probably getting old, he works to support you and your family, he deserves better than what you've giving him.
Show some deference and be a son a father would be proud of. That doesn't mean being a smartass.
No one gives a shit that you were in some intense marine v muta battle. What's more importan, trying to win some meaningless game that you can play 100 times over or showing your dad some decency.Heck, parents don't live forever you know.
God your blog pissed me off
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On November 02 2009 15:02 ProbeSaturation wrote:
YOU ARE A FUKIN ASS.
Stop complaining to us, pull that stick out of our ass, get off your highhorse, and suck it up.
He's your father. How do you think he feels when he sees his 22 year old son playing a video game and bad mouthing him at the same time. He's provided for you his whole life. You're dad is probably getting old, he works to support you and your family, he deserves better than what you've giving him.
Show some deference and be a son a father would be proud of. That doesn't mean being a smartass.
No one gives a shit that you were in some intense marine v muta battle. What's more importan, trying to win some meaningless game that you can play 100 times over or showing your dad some decency.Heck, parents don't live forever you know.
God your blog pissed me off
we all know the OP did not act properly -- neither did the father.
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living with your parents when you are 22
lol
edit: also mora that is the MOST RANDOM EDIT i've ever read on this site.
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The father didn't do anything wrong.
Heck the OP probably tried to twist the story in his favor in the best way possible and he still made himself look like the biggest douche.
If your dad asks you to do something as trivial as emptying the wash, just take the 5 minutes and do it. I'd understand if he was thirteen or something, but this guy is 22.
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