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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2017 04:06 GMT
#1641
On September 27 2017 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 08:13 Danglars wrote:
On September 27 2017 07:30 brian wrote:
On September 27 2017 07:26 Danglars wrote:
On September 27 2017 07:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
That Trump ruins discourse is one of the most obvious negatives of his term. It's a hard thing to fix, too.

Try contextualizing him against such a backdrop. Trump is not the cause, he's the symptom.

they aren’t mutually exclusive, he is certainly both.

Ways in which he's the cause: grab the pitchforks, you're right. Ways in which he's the symptom of something bigger: ten pages on language, ten pages reinterpreting what you just said, ten pages on topic B ... and going. The forum's got a problem with it. I expect in another couple thousand it'll still have a problem with it.


going on 200+ years, so yeah, probably going to be an issue for many pages to come.

We should go back to not talking about it like we did in the in the 1990-2000s. Not like that has been a huge part of the problem to begin with.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 27 2017 04:22 GMT
#1642
On September 27 2017 13:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 27 2017 08:13 Danglars wrote:
On September 27 2017 07:30 brian wrote:
On September 27 2017 07:26 Danglars wrote:
On September 27 2017 07:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
That Trump ruins discourse is one of the most obvious negatives of his term. It's a hard thing to fix, too.

Try contextualizing him against such a backdrop. Trump is not the cause, he's the symptom.

they aren’t mutually exclusive, he is certainly both.

Ways in which he's the cause: grab the pitchforks, you're right. Ways in which he's the symptom of something bigger: ten pages on language, ten pages reinterpreting what you just said, ten pages on topic B ... and going. The forum's got a problem with it. I expect in another couple thousand it'll still have a problem with it.


going on 200+ years, so yeah, probably going to be an issue for many pages to come.

We should go back to not talking about it like we did in the in the 1990-2000s. Not like that has been a huge part of the problem to begin with.

But racism ended with Obama's election!
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
September 27 2017 05:49 GMT
#1643
I have a question: how often do you guys type something up intending to post it in the thread, spend a while writing it, finish it, and then just decide "nah"? I think that happens to over half of my posts.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
September 27 2017 09:54 GMT
#1644
I'm trying to make it 100% of my posts due to the thread "climate"
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 11:20:21
September 27 2017 11:20 GMT
#1645
On September 27 2017 14:49 ChristianS wrote:
I have a question: how often do you guys type something up intending to post it in the thread, spend a while writing it, finish it, and then just decide "nah"? I think that happens to over half of my posts.

It's been around half for me ever since I decided I don't like getting warned and banned all the time
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9644 Posts
September 27 2017 12:24 GMT
#1646
probably about half my posts forum wide.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 14:04:59
September 27 2017 14:04 GMT
#1647
i used to do it, now i briefly think about typing a post then i just don't bother at all. efficiency!
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 27 2017 18:29 GMT
#1648
On September 28 2017 02:56 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2017 02:37 LegalLord wrote:
On September 28 2017 02:26 Simberto wrote:
Every student standing for the pledge of allegiance to country and flag in school every day is totally not fascist.

+ Show Spoiler +

This is what that kind of ritual looks like to me.
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Sowjets also did the exact same shit btw. Only apparently not even every day, only to special occasions. It is still disgusting nationalistic indoctrination of the youth in my opinion.

It took just four short posts to go from the pledge of allegiance to full blown "look at the surface level similarity to HITLER and STALIN!" It would be funny if it weren't dangerous.

Sad thing is, the Europeans who are so quick to cry fascist at everything that moves are unwilling to draw attention to genuine fascism when it comes up. I don't doubt this utter lack of perspective will be lost on the individuals I am talking about.

Nobody here needs lessons on fascism from a Putin shill, thanks.


Post from user without report button I would have otherwise reported.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
September 27 2017 18:48 GMT
#1649
Yours were the only shitposts in that discussion. But the irony of a statist Russian insisting that he is the only individual with a true perspective on fascism and that the multiple Germans disagreeing with him were all wrong was palpable.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 27 2017 18:50 GMT
#1650
On September 28 2017 03:29 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2017 02:56 KwarK wrote:
On September 28 2017 02:37 LegalLord wrote:
On September 28 2017 02:26 Simberto wrote:
Every student standing for the pledge of allegiance to country and flag in school every day is totally not fascist.

+ Show Spoiler +

This is what that kind of ritual looks like to me.
[image loading]
[image loading]
Sowjets also did the exact same shit btw. Only apparently not even every day, only to special occasions. It is still disgusting nationalistic indoctrination of the youth in my opinion.

It took just four short posts to go from the pledge of allegiance to full blown "look at the surface level similarity to HITLER and STALIN!" It would be funny if it weren't dangerous.

Sad thing is, the Europeans who are so quick to cry fascist at everything that moves are unwilling to draw attention to genuine fascism when it comes up. I don't doubt this utter lack of perspective will be lost on the individuals I am talking about.

Nobody here needs lessons on fascism from a Putin shill, thanks.


Post from user without report button I would have otherwise reported.

Kwark's posting has been remarkably bad -- even by his standards -- over the past couple of days. Three pointless "lol" posts in row was just the beginning of it. Anyone else would have been banned already.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2017 20:49 GMT
#1651
I'm kinda shocked you were not warned for telling GH to go back to Africa if he agreed with a black writer. Surprises all around.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 28 2017 02:53 GMT
#1652
I wonder how long it will be until RiK is banned. he's lasted longer than usual it seems; of course his posting is still useless and nonsensical and degrades the thread, but he hasn't done the kind of extreme stuff that actually gets you banned yet.

PS I'm not reading the stuff in here, just commenting.

User was warned for this post
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6678 Posts
September 28 2017 12:43 GMT
#1653
On September 28 2017 03:50 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2017 03:29 LegalLord wrote:
On September 28 2017 02:56 KwarK wrote:
On September 28 2017 02:37 LegalLord wrote:
On September 28 2017 02:26 Simberto wrote:
Every student standing for the pledge of allegiance to country and flag in school every day is totally not fascist.

+ Show Spoiler +

This is what that kind of ritual looks like to me.
[image loading]
[image loading]
Sowjets also did the exact same shit btw. Only apparently not even every day, only to special occasions. It is still disgusting nationalistic indoctrination of the youth in my opinion.

It took just four short posts to go from the pledge of allegiance to full blown "look at the surface level similarity to HITLER and STALIN!" It would be funny if it weren't dangerous.

Sad thing is, the Europeans who are so quick to cry fascist at everything that moves are unwilling to draw attention to genuine fascism when it comes up. I don't doubt this utter lack of perspective will be lost on the individuals I am talking about.

Nobody here needs lessons on fascism from a Putin shill, thanks.


Post from user without report button I would have otherwise reported.

Kwark's posting has been remarkably bad -- even by his standards -- over the past couple of days. Three pointless "lol" posts in row was just the beginning of it. Anyone else would have been banned already.

Someone made a post saying something like if Trump manages to do x, y, and z, his presidency would be a success, it might have been Danglars but I'm pretty sure it was Legal, anyway our moderator's unique and thoughtful contribution was to quote the post and say "no."
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-28 12:45:13
September 28 2017 12:44 GMT
#1654
yeah because thats a dumb thing to say, LL specifically hides mountains inside molehills all the damn time lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 28 2017 12:48 GMT
#1655
I don't recall saying that but it does fall within the scope of my style. "X, y, and z" would probably have had to been "end the EU" though. I haven't framed it that way in months though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
September 28 2017 13:21 GMT
#1656
I think you are refering to legals posts about the job grade of trump and kwark posting "no" in response. Regardless it wouldnt be acepted for anyone else but he used to put more effort into them before trump.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
September 29 2017 14:04 GMT
#1657
The reason I had asked is because it sure looks like an awful lot of condescending back and forth that only serves to make the other guy look bad

I cant even remember the last time I saw someone try to understand the other guys point of view or learn from what they are saying. It seems to me to be a remarkable amount of talking down to others in tones that make me nauseous. I regularly see this from members of the mod staff as well.

I have no proposal to remedy what I see as a flaw here, but I am curious if anyone else shares my view on this
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 29 2017 14:16 GMT
#1658
Most people post like shit without even realizing they post like shit. This has become the new norm. An unfortunate reality that we live in a political climate where this is acceptable and what we have is actually still well above average.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-29 15:10:39
September 29 2017 15:08 GMT
#1659
While legitimately keeping up with the thread is a lofty task in itself, I guarantee you that even within the past week, folks had amicable discussions on a host of topics, division of authority between feds/local police and gentrification being two good examples. While I can't fault folks for not reading every page of a thread that can easily grow a dozen pages in a day, I'd wager that "I can't remember the last time I saw someone try to understand the other guy's point of view..." ends up being pretty hyperbolic if one actually reads through what's being discussed, particularly on the margins of the more bloviate-heavy topics a la racism.

And as LL said, the condescension and hostility is very much a reflection of the times and having looked rather thoroughly elsewhere though the web relative to calmer political discussion waters, I think one would be hard pressed to find political discussions elsewhere even remotely as well-moderated as TL.

That all said, there's always room for improvement
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 29 2017 16:04 GMT
#1660
On September 29 2017 23:04 Aveng3r wrote:
The reason I had asked is because it sure looks like an awful lot of condescending back and forth that only serves to make the other guy look bad

I cant even remember the last time I saw someone try to understand the other guys point of view or learn from what they are saying. It seems to me to be a remarkable amount of talking down to others in tones that make me nauseous. I regularly see this from members of the mod staff as well.

I have no proposal to remedy what I see as a flaw here, but I am curious if anyone else shares my view on this

The mods that don’t get warned and can’t be reported is one of the reasons I’ve accepted the new de-facto thread standards. There’s no point crusading for a return to civility if the untouchables won’t self-limit or be talked to behind the scenes.

And despite all that, like farva said, behind the trolling you actually find the real contentions and personal views.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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