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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-13 20:31:18
August 13 2018 19:08 GMT
#3621
Mohdoo's tweet post did actually provide exactly what was questioned by a previous poster.
This is an instance where the relevance of the tweet actually is obvious.
Edit: nevermind, I mixed up the two posts with twits in em by him
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 13 2018 19:25 GMT
#3622
Declaring that it’s “spicy” and “hope it’s not true/afraid it’s true/weird if it’s not true” hardly grounds a news story. You could say the same about the latest Avenatti/Stormy news drop, or alleged next to go in the Trump White House, or DNC intern drama. I never read the article/twitter rule to mean: You must express how this article makes you feel or it’s not welcome.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 13 2018 19:28 GMT
#3623
--- Nuked ---
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 13 2018 19:29 GMT
#3624
i've posted news before with a comment along the lines of "this is interesting" followed by a little commentary similar to how mohdoo posted that article. maybe using the word "spicy" is a little too gossipy/ meme-y, but imo his post was ok.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-13 19:35:13
August 13 2018 19:34 GMT
#3625
On August 14 2018 04:28 JimmiC wrote:
Could we create a US politics in the news or something thread that would allow people to post news. I'm a fan of most of the posts that get banned or warned.

While I'm not completely clear on the sites rules; it's probably the case that it could be done in the blogs section. Could have a blog titled "stealthblue's news feed" which does that that he just keeps adding to; or somesuch. Perhaps the mods could enlighten us on the permissibility of such?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
August 13 2018 19:43 GMT
#3626
Yeah boo to that ban, more evidence that the rule is needlessly overinclusive!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
August 13 2018 19:46 GMT
#3627
It's been months and months since this new rule was enacted. How are people still not getting it? What is so damn difficult about providing a paragraph of information regarding the article that is void of your own opinion?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 13 2018 19:47 GMT
#3628
On August 14 2018 04:29 ticklishmusic wrote:
i've posted news before with a comment along the lines of "this is interesting" followed by a little commentary similar to how mohdoo posted that article. maybe using the word "spicy" is a little too gossipy/ meme-y, but imo his post was ok.

Maybe you just got away with a shitpost, who knows?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
August 13 2018 19:49 GMT
#3629
It makes for an odd dichotomy between posts with no news and those with; conversations and/or personal reflections suddenly come to a screeching halt when one wants to provide a piece of news.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
August 13 2018 19:52 GMT
#3630
On August 14 2018 04:46 Seeker wrote:
It's been months and months since this new rule was enacted. How are people still not getting it? What is so damn difficult about providing a paragraph of information regarding the article that is void of your own opinion?

Huh. I understood the phrase "explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious" to mean that we had to provide a paragraph that contained our personal opinions regarding the article.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 13 2018 19:58 GMT
#3631
I assume two sentences about why this race matters to your community, or the party, or the country isn’t overly burdensome. I have zero desire to go back to article and twitter spam in the past—and Mohdoo’s inclusion of how the article made him feel doesn’t do much.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
August 13 2018 20:03 GMT
#3632
On August 14 2018 04:52 Kyadytim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2018 04:46 Seeker wrote:
It's been months and months since this new rule was enacted. How are people still not getting it? What is so damn difficult about providing a paragraph of information regarding the article that is void of your own opinion?

Huh. I understood the phrase "explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious" to mean that we had to provide a paragraph that contained our personal opinions regarding the article.

Okay. I can see how that could be confusing. Let me adjust that public mod note then.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8069 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-13 20:41:19
August 13 2018 20:40 GMT
#3633
So is the rule now that you just don't want any sources for anything that is stated? That is pretty much the exact opposite route you want to take when discussing politics, otherwise you're just free to make up whatever. I understand the idea of not posting random tweets with no further comments or attempts to start a discussion other than "look this is stupid", but that latest ban was pretty much the picture perfect post:

It stated a newsworthy story.
It backed it up with a source.
He stated his opinion.

And as proof that his post was worthy of posting is exactly that people started discussing it afterwards.

This rule needs to be rewritten to allow backing up with sources like this, while simultaneously describe more clearly exactly where the line goes, or else that thread is going to devolve further into the "he said she said" bullshit you see over on Facebook and Imgur.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
August 13 2018 21:11 GMT
#3634
On August 14 2018 05:40 Excludos wrote:
So is the rule now that you just don't want any sources for anything that is stated? That is pretty much the exact opposite route you want to take when discussing politics, otherwise you're just free to make up whatever. I understand the idea of not posting random tweets with no further comments or attempts to start a discussion other than "look this is stupid", but that latest ban was pretty much the picture perfect post:

It stated a newsworthy story.
It backed it up with a source.
He stated his opinion.

And as proof that his post was worthy of posting is exactly that people started discussing it afterwards.

This rule needs to be rewritten to allow backing up with sources like this, while simultaneously describe more clearly exactly where the line goes, or else that thread is going to devolve further into the "he said she said" bullshit you see over on Facebook and Imgur.

I don't understand the question.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 13 2018 22:06 GMT
#3635
On August 14 2018 06:11 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2018 05:40 Excludos wrote:
So is the rule now that you just don't want any sources for anything that is stated? That is pretty much the exact opposite route you want to take when discussing politics, otherwise you're just free to make up whatever. I understand the idea of not posting random tweets with no further comments or attempts to start a discussion other than "look this is stupid", but that latest ban was pretty much the picture perfect post:

It stated a newsworthy story.
It backed it up with a source.
He stated his opinion.

And as proof that his post was worthy of posting is exactly that people started discussing it afterwards.

This rule needs to be rewritten to allow backing up with sources like this, while simultaneously describe more clearly exactly where the line goes, or else that thread is going to devolve further into the "he said she said" bullshit you see over on Facebook and Imgur.

I don't understand the question.

I think it relates to this oddity:
person makes short pithy one line comment on current happening and cites source -> banned.
person makes short pithy one line comment on current happening without citing a source -> no ban.

so people can still make the same bad posts they use to make; as long as they don't cite the source/tweet they're responding to.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-13 22:44:57
August 13 2018 22:44 GMT
#3636
you can make a one line comment and link to the source in the statement without quoting the whole thing

its the difference between a footnote and body text
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-13 23:28:25
August 13 2018 23:28 GMT
#3637
On August 14 2018 07:06 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2018 06:11 Seeker wrote:
On August 14 2018 05:40 Excludos wrote:
So is the rule now that you just don't want any sources for anything that is stated? That is pretty much the exact opposite route you want to take when discussing politics, otherwise you're just free to make up whatever. I understand the idea of not posting random tweets with no further comments or attempts to start a discussion other than "look this is stupid", but that latest ban was pretty much the picture perfect post:

It stated a newsworthy story.
It backed it up with a source.
He stated his opinion.

And as proof that his post was worthy of posting is exactly that people started discussing it afterwards.

This rule needs to be rewritten to allow backing up with sources like this, while simultaneously describe more clearly exactly where the line goes, or else that thread is going to devolve further into the "he said she said" bullshit you see over on Facebook and Imgur.

I don't understand the question.

I think it relates to this oddity:
person makes short pithy one line comment on current happening and cites source -> banned.
person makes short pithy one line comment on current happening without citing a source -> no ban.

so people can still make the same bad posts they use to make; as long as they don't cite the source/tweet they're responding to.

If you post about an article and then link it, then you need to follow the guidelines.
Every other type of posting is handled on a case-by-case basis.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 13 2018 23:52 GMT
#3638
On August 14 2018 08:28 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2018 07:06 zlefin wrote:
On August 14 2018 06:11 Seeker wrote:
On August 14 2018 05:40 Excludos wrote:
So is the rule now that you just don't want any sources for anything that is stated? That is pretty much the exact opposite route you want to take when discussing politics, otherwise you're just free to make up whatever. I understand the idea of not posting random tweets with no further comments or attempts to start a discussion other than "look this is stupid", but that latest ban was pretty much the picture perfect post:

It stated a newsworthy story.
It backed it up with a source.
He stated his opinion.

And as proof that his post was worthy of posting is exactly that people started discussing it afterwards.

This rule needs to be rewritten to allow backing up with sources like this, while simultaneously describe more clearly exactly where the line goes, or else that thread is going to devolve further into the "he said she said" bullshit you see over on Facebook and Imgur.

I don't understand the question.

I think it relates to this oddity:
person makes short pithy one line comment on current happening and cites source -> banned.
person makes short pithy one line comment on current happening without citing a source -> no ban.

so people can still make the same bad posts they use to make; as long as they don't cite the source/tweet they're responding to.

If you post about an article and then link it, then you need to follow the guidelines.
Every other type of posting is handled on a case-by-case basis.

aye; which mostly means you can talk about an article without linking it and get away with alot more.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
August 13 2018 23:58 GMT
#3639
On August 14 2018 08:52 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2018 08:28 Seeker wrote:
On August 14 2018 07:06 zlefin wrote:
On August 14 2018 06:11 Seeker wrote:
On August 14 2018 05:40 Excludos wrote:
So is the rule now that you just don't want any sources for anything that is stated? That is pretty much the exact opposite route you want to take when discussing politics, otherwise you're just free to make up whatever. I understand the idea of not posting random tweets with no further comments or attempts to start a discussion other than "look this is stupid", but that latest ban was pretty much the picture perfect post:

It stated a newsworthy story.
It backed it up with a source.
He stated his opinion.

And as proof that his post was worthy of posting is exactly that people started discussing it afterwards.

This rule needs to be rewritten to allow backing up with sources like this, while simultaneously describe more clearly exactly where the line goes, or else that thread is going to devolve further into the "he said she said" bullshit you see over on Facebook and Imgur.

I don't understand the question.

I think it relates to this oddity:
person makes short pithy one line comment on current happening and cites source -> banned.
person makes short pithy one line comment on current happening without citing a source -> no ban.

so people can still make the same bad posts they use to make; as long as they don't cite the source/tweet they're responding to.

If you post about an article and then link it, then you need to follow the guidelines.
Every other type of posting is handled on a case-by-case basis.

aye; which mostly means you can talk about an article without linking it and get away with alot more.

Eventually, the source will have to be provided though. Just talking about an article won't convince people you're discussing with that you're right, if they have no source to go off of.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
August 14 2018 04:37 GMT
#3640
no one got this:
a paragraph of information regarding the article that is void of your own opinion
'cause it made no sense or because they took it like a need to:
It stated a newsworthy story.
It backed it up with a source.
He stated his opinion.

the quote from the cited article is already "a paragraph of information regarding the article that is void of your own opinion" so asking for another source to the cited source is redundant because as shitty/gossipy/fake the initial article was, one will always be able to find another source talking about the same fake news. a redundant fail-safe is what that was because another source would never give more credibility to the original one.

also, this
a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious
explicitly says to me: give your own opinion about the article you quoted.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
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