EPTOn July 17 2018 23:09 farvacola wrote:
Have folks been abusing the threadban process? Not sure if I've seen that in action.
Have folks been abusing the threadban process? Not sure if I've seen that in action.
I'm the only mod that uses thread bans.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21666 Posts
On July 17 2018 23:09 farvacola wrote: Kickboxer was banned from the US pol threat and so he went and ranted in the EU thread about it. Which got him a swift perma-ban.Have folks been abusing the threadban process? Not sure if I've seen that in action. | ||
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farvacola
United States18825 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 17 2018 22:29 Seeker wrote: Mods are considering enacting the following procedure: - Site-wide ban for any users who received a mod action from posting in the USPMT if their posting history shows that all or the majority of their posts are in the USPMT. - Thread ban for any users who received a mod action from posting in the USPMT if their posting history shows that they also contribute to the TL community outside of the USPMT. Thoughts? how do you measure "contribution to the community outside of uspmt" someone could have few posts outside of it; but those could be very good posts. making that adjudication would require extra analysis on your part, or miss the case above if you don't do that analysis. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On July 17 2018 22:29 Seeker wrote: Mods are considering enacting the following procedure: - Site-wide ban for any users who received a mod action from posting in the USPMT if their posting history shows that all or the majority of their posts are in the USPMT. - Thread ban for any users who received a mod action from posting in the USPMT if their posting history shows that they also contribute to the TL community outside of the USPMT. Thoughts? Does it make any real practical difference? Only one data point seems to exist to even make this come up, a rare and not particularly meaningful one at that. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
depending on your answer; it may be that a simpler metric to use would be "is most of their mod history abotu their actions in the us pol thread" | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 17 2018 22:51 Seeker wrote: I'm trying to be more transparent about our thought process. You mentioned that you wanted mods to be honest and fair. Yes, I've been doing that for some time now, but at least now we can openly discuss it together as a community. It's appreciated. That said, to my knowledge, the complaint regarding transparency and fairness has almost always concerned the decision of whether a post is actionable, not the severity of the action applied. Whatever y'all decide is fine by me as long as it's evenly applied. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I think more transparency is good as well. But posters in this thread need to be specific with their complaints as well. There is way to much passive aggressive insinuations of bias without linking the evidence(xdaunts rencent complaint being the rare exception). If someone reports a post and it doesn’t get a response after 24 hours, ask why. Otherwise is it sometimes hard to tell what the hell people are complaining about. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On July 17 2018 19:01 Dangermousecatdog wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2018 10:15 IgnE wrote: yeah i can tell you whats unacceptable. its the most pitiful, slow-witted form of goal-post shifting, born of your seeming inability to discern a particular argumentative strand. you fired back a bunch of bullshit when xdaunt rightly pointed out that "foe" meant "economic/trade foe" because he didnt include some inane statements trump made about unemployment and his family's immigration history? that stuff is totally irrelevant to the point in dispute (that trump was casually throwing around bellicose language and calling the EU our military "foe") and appears to be a purely reflexive attack on your part in response to a hashtag. the execrable part is that your post was straight up embarrassingly off target to the point that your conclusions and accusatory capstone makes me question your reading comprehension. either that or you are incapable of telling the difference between "trump thinks the EU is our foe. its unclear how he means that, foe usually means strategic and military enemy" and "trump thinks the eu is taking advantage of us in trade. what an idiot" simply because both are stupid, despite being stupid in different ways. the most important and egregious folly in my view, however, is in your even bothering to look for logical inconsistencies or any meaning at all in anything trump says and then shitting up the thread with it. you fundamentally misunderstand trump's particular idiocy and you only redouble his bullshit with, and i want to emphasize the adjective here, stupid attacks on xdaunt Pitiful, slow-witted form of goal-post shifting is it? I've repeatedly written the same 2 points: Where is the goal-post shifting here? I have been banging the same point, that 1) xdaunt presenting a quote, claiming to depicting the entirety of what was said, but in actuality cut out parts to make Trump not look like a total moron, thus presenting his own personal context 2) #fakenews used Trump style I've banging the same bloody point, because, you IGNE, Deepelmblue, and the rest of the usual suspects, are shifting the goal posts, around dogpiling on me, to the point where I simply have to repeat myself, because you guys as a group have decided to consistently insulted and accuse me of misintepreting your posts. Well I am tired of it, which is why I was certain to remain at the same bloody points. At no point did I write that xdaunt " or "add anything", that was simply DeepElemBlues making shit up. At no point did I even type anything about foe/economic foe/military foe, that's you making shit up, your own "pitiful, slow-witted form of goal-post shifting, born of your seeming inability to discern a particular argumentative strand" (your words IgnE) So at this point I'm pretty fed up. Even total the point of anally repeating myself, as if I am unable to change the point of argumentation, when it as a result of defending myself against totally random arguments I have not said, the usual suspects, the band of brothers, the same shitposting dogpilers who gang up on my still manage to make shit up about my misinterpretation. Well, let me tell you IgnE, that you have an unacceptable, pitiful, slow-witted form of goal-post shifting, born of your seeming inability to discern a particular argumentative strand, born of your desire and seeking of opportunity to dogpile on me over and over again, that this time, you have shown to everyone on the forum that you are capable of accusing someone of the very mistep that you are making yourself, that you cannot discern the argument, that even though there are 2 very simple points are am making, one of misrepresentation, and other of #fakenews, you still, in your complete and blind fevour to discredit me, still managed to make shit up. Edit: Ahhhh, shit, I think I just played a victimisation card that I said I wouldn't be doing. I know what you've been arguing, and I don't care that it's been the "same" thing over and over. But it's funny you should say that "At no point did I even type anything about foe/economic foe/military foe," because that's precisely my point. That's the goal-post shifting. A question from poster A answered by poster B in a reasonable if wry manner, followed by an hysterical attack by poster C over some other point not in dispute. Great, you've been very consistent in your aggressive stupidity on this front. I agree. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
The reason why I don't mention foe/economic foe/military foe, is because I don't care about it, not because I am shifting the goalpost, but because, what I take offense to is: 1) claiming to present an entirety of what was said, but cutting parts out in between without detailing it so 2) #fakenews Those are the two goalposts I am interested in. It really is that simple. #fakenews is the one I am mostly interested in. You can see this in the posts I have written. Everybody else but you and the usual band of brothers, who are constantly haranguing me, understood this. BTW, I originally never intended to reply to xdaunt till I saw that xdaunt posted #fakenews, but I am pretty happy I directed my attention, because it nipped #fakenews right in the bud. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On July 18 2018 02:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Oh, I get it now. You are so partisan that you literally can't see past your own political polarisation. There's no reason for me to give a damn about your goalpost. Either that or you don't care. The reason why I don't mention foe/economic foe/military foe, is because I don't care about it, not because I am shifting the goalpost, but because, what I take offense to is: 1) claiming to present an entirety of what was said, but cutting parts out in between without detailing it so 2) #fakenews Those are the two goalposts I am interested in. It really is that simple. #fakenews is the one I am mostly interested in. You can see this in the posts I have written. Everybody else but you and the usual band of brothers, who are constantly haranguing me, understood this. BTW, I originally never intended to reply to xdaunt till I saw that xdaunt posted #fakenews, but I am pretty happy I directed my attention, because it nipped #fakenews right in the bud. Partisan? What party are you putting IgnE into? And how does that explain his point about interactions with xDaunt? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On July 18 2018 02:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I can't vote for US parties so I support neither. He emphasised in bold, that his point is that I didn't care for either side of the argument. Whatever it is, the sheer gall to even type that his point is that he doesn't care for my intentions, when he says I have shifted the goalposts, only that he only cares in his aim to miscontrue mine. lol so partisan you don't know what party he's in... It seems this goes back to beyond this recent interaction so I'm in the dark there, but as is usually the case with most posters, you're angry because you don't understand what IgnE is saying. I don't actually care about this particular argument beyond the ongoing (and really the only one I'd like to see mods [read: Seeker] focus on) problem of people not understanding or demonstrating that understanding of the posts they are angrily responding to. It's not an easy problem to fix, but it's unquestionably (in my mind at least) the single biggest problem and the source of most problems in the thread. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 18 2018 02:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Oh, I get it now. You are so partisan that you literally can't see past your own political polarisation. There's no reason for me to give a damn about your goalpost. Either that or you don't care. The reason why I don't mention foe/economic foe/military foe, is because I don't care about it, not because I am shifting the goalpost, but because, what I take offense to is: 1) claiming to present an entirety of what was said, but cutting parts out in between without detailing it so 2) #fakenews Those are the two goalposts I am interested in. It really is that simple. #fakenews is the one I am mostly interested in. You can see this in the posts I have written. Everybody else but you and the usual band of brothers, who are constantly haranguing me, understood this. BTW, I originally never intended to reply to xdaunt till I saw that xdaunt posted #fakenews, but I am pretty happy I directed my attention, because it nipped #fakenews right in the bud. You've managed to reflexively blame partisan blindness and polarization on the only guy willing to read your posts, understand their arguments, and dissect them. It will just lead to less people reading and responding. You're teaching people that understanding and engagement directed at your posts will be rewarded with additional hysteria and insults. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 18 2018 03:10 Plansix wrote: To be fair, IgnE isn’t that forthcoming with his political leanings and fond of a Socratic posting style. You would have to pay pretty close attention to catch his political views. The real confusion probably comes from the fact that he delights in screwing with people on the left. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
In fact I'll be gracious and announce open season, that you can discuss what are my true intentions in absentia, and I'll entirely resist the urge to reply whatsoever for 5 days, so you can get it out of your system. Meanwhile I'll just remain happy that writing #fakenews is essentially banned. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On July 18 2018 04:19 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Ok, ok, band of brothers, you can circle jerk together over whether or not my intention is to shift the goal posts over arguing over foe/economic foe/military foe/whatever. In fact I'll be gracious and announce open season, that you can discuss what are my true intentions in absentia, and I'll entirely resist the urge to reply whatsoever for 5 days, so you can get it out of your system. Meanwhile I'll just remain happy that writing #fakenews is essentially banned. Much obliged your grace. To greener pastures gentlemen. | ||
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