EPTOn August 20 2005 06:06 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
Who is this Legendary guy?
Who is this Legendary guy?
a new star apm 300++ toss
CKCG 2005 China vs Korea - Page 6
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cruelman
China11 Posts
a new star apm 300++ toss | ||
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likeboxer
Korea (South)465 Posts
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ky[Z]
China1730 Posts
On August 20 2005 04:38 wu wrote: Kingdom and Siva lost. CMON, how could they lose... This is a f**king joke.. and it's funny that kingdom lost PvP considering the fact that PvP is one of his greatest mu cuz u koreans are not fucking god in bw. | ||
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I_are_n00b
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Kingdom didn't lose, it was a draw due to distracting chinese crowd | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
yes they are DUH! | ||
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
Is he Bat.JayStar? He's very good, yeah :o | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 20 2005 06:00 (paladin)roMAD wrote: Btw, it seems there are gonna be reps, cause there is 리플레이 graph, which means replay/vod(?)  Means replay. | ||
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pbjay
173 Posts
The organizers are incompetent but it\'s not like they\'ve intentionally compromised the standard of the event. E-sport in china is simply too small compared to the scene in korea. The WEG event last year was really an exception, coz some government bureaus were involved and they pumped a lot of resources into the preparation. Now i\'m affraid it had set the bar too high. According the live spectators there many aspects have already improved over the WCG qualifer that had just taken place a week ago. Even though the standard couldnt lived up to the expectations of the more professional Korean players, it shouldnt be regarded as an insult. Especially when you know almost all the fans in chinese sc forums were speaking for the players and only blamed the organisers for the delay of the games. As to the obs and commentators, of course they would insist on theire broadcast. The audiences had sat there whole day waiting for the matches, the organizers had them to please as well. Some of the accusations, like chinese players could have adjusted their earphones for better 'reception', or they could have done map-hacking, showed very ill faith. When you play on BN and you suspect your opponent hacking, you'll always perceive all kind of 'evidences' for that. But in a official ipx event like this there's no reason to entertain such an idea. | ||
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darknessteve
United States208 Posts
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starofNC
United States1340 Posts
i have no idea about ckcg really but the only part that sounds pretty ridiculous is the live commentating on some kind of overhead system during the cs matches, i mean wtf? lol doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, and im sure they know about HLTV and setting up HLTV delays etc. thing is most of the time when lan tournaments happen the people like to setup their HLTV's with no delay which is cool.. but the commentating is done on the side by one of those internet game radio stations, and its not being broadcast over the sound system of the place itself. Most of the time the only place they have the live HLTV is just off one or two TVs accessible to onlookers but (obviously) inaccessible to gamers. and trust me, all this stuff is VERY known to the cs community and players, lol, its nothing special or complex. As far as like the crowd getting out of hand etc causing the stoppage in the first Kingdom/Legendary game, come on what the hell Chinese people manner please, i think this is 60% the people's fault, maybe 40% the fault of the organizers for not cracking the whip. and I think its 10% Kingdom's fault, for being so sexy. | ||
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SpringWind
China230 Posts
On August 20 2005 09:02 (paladin)roMAD wrote: Is he Bat.JayStar? He's very good, yeah :o NO! | ||
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SpringWind
China230 Posts
On August 20 2005 05:55 oneiro wrote: MaveN Crew vs PerfectFuture now, China no observer maphack plz TT BAD joke | ||
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dronebabo
10866 Posts
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game.no
Norway445 Posts
On August 20 2005 06:21 oneiro wrote: http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ETC&idx=7138 루나틱하이의 움직임은 좋았다. 그러나 5대12로 패배했다. 문제는 중국측에서 방송한 해설 때문이다. Lunatic-hais moves were good. But they lost 5-12. The problem was the commentary given by the Chinese commentator. 카운터스트라이크는 5명이 플레이하기 때문에 방음벽을 만들기 까다롭다. 그 문제로 인해 한국 MBC게임과 CKCG 심판으로 참여한 온상민 해설위원은 시작부터 끝까지 중국측의 해설 없이 경기를 진행하자고 요구했다. 중국 팀은 헤드셋을 조금만 빼도 해설을 들을 수 있기 때문이었다. Because CS is a 5player team game it is hard to make a soundproof wall. Because of this problem MBCGame and On Sang-Min caster requested from start to end that the game proceed without any commentary from the Chinese. This was because it was possible to hear the commentary even if a little bit of the headset was removed. 그러나 요구는 묵살됐다. 중국측에서는 전반전 첫 세트부터 끝까지 한국팀의 화면을 가지고 해설한 것이다. 이 때문에 전반전은 10점차가 벌어질 정도로 최악의 상황이었다. 중국 선수들이 해설을 들으며 경기를 치렀는지는 알 수 없지만 한국 선수가 행동하는 곳에는 거의 대부분 중국 선수들이 총구를 겨눴다. 행동 패턴과 전략의 움직임이 모두 들킨 것이다. But the request was denied. The game was continued with commentary througout the match. There was a 10point lead at one point. There is of course no way to find out of the Chinese players were listening to the commentary or not, but wherever the Korean players went the Chinese players aimed their guns. Like their action patterns and strategies were all found out. Theres a bit more in the story, but I didnt translate all of it. Of course being from Korea its biased, a lot, but even so it seems fairly dodgy that the Chinese players knew where to find the players extremely easily in the first 15 games. That is not definite proof, but its my viewpoint. Plus my sentence, China no observer maphack plz TT was a request, not a complaint. There was a 2 minute delay between the commentary and the actual game that was being played, not like Korea where the screen is instantly from the gameplay. Therefore, even if the players did listen to what the commentators were saying, it didn't really matter because it all happened in the previous round. That's why it wasn't an issue to deal with. On a side note, the Chinese CS teams are really really good at CS. They have crazy aim that is acknowledged from around the world. But Starcraft and Warcraft 3, Korea is definitely better and there's no doubt about that. | ||
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
1. they were not allowed to use their own equipment 2. the desks were too short - sqeezed in space 3. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=30745 | ||
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starofNC
United States1340 Posts
but i'm still glad for the work of the people on the Chinese end of the dialogue that set an event like CKCG into motion, even if it has some glaring issues. It shows that they are forward thinking enough to appreciate what true e-sports professionalism might one day become -- More than just a korean phenomenon. Like this Springwind fellow commented on the other thread, something to the extent of "what we lack in entrepreneurship, hospitality, and organization, we make up for with love for gaming and a desire to learn and improve" -- couldn't be more well put as far as I am concerned. Perhaps though, it may have been a bit premature to go and get the korean pro-gaming teams to come and participate, because they are so used to being coddled and what not in korea. Shit happens. They are pro-gamers and that means you work with what you are given and you put on a show for the spectators. Fans don't put the money in their pocket, their sponsors do. So as far as I'm concerned when they sign that contract they waive their right to bitch and complain like some common WCG contestant. (which they may or may not have done, i have no idea)  lol at least they'll just appreciate how great it is to be back in the OGN studio in korea again once they return. | ||
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Tsukasa_Nishino
Korea (South)11 Posts
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starofNC
United States1340 Posts
and yeah.. I was looking at the title.. this tournament was originally billed as sort of a China vs Korea showmatch like last year's similar event, but it turned out to not really be anything like that.. just a chinese lan event where some pro gamers were invited to and a big ffa ensued lol -_- | ||
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IriS[YY]
China330 Posts
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