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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:03 Mataza wrote: Kurumi, Bum, could you please get a hold of yourself? You are just arguing for the sake of disagreement... Sure,then do something I can discuss about. | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
No clue what this means... On May 31 2011 03:59 deskscaress wrote: day 2 rolls around and i will *vanish in a puff of smoke* ^not a hint to my role On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote: i wanted to chime in that i'm also against a LAL policy. there are tons of cases where lying can help the town. especially in a game where no one knows any of the roles except for the one they created, you have NO IDEA if someone else could be lying to set up a master plan to help the town win or something. Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on. On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote: lastly, without wanting to give anything away, i feel like redFF, in that i don't think my role is going to play a huge role in the game. so i hope i can contribute via scumhunting and quality posts instead Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis! On May 31 2011 06:37 deskscaress wrote: disagree. make your posts LONG and information-packed because this thread is quickly turning into a spam-fest. the more concise our posts the more posts we will have. make longer posts and spend more time on them so we have more to analyze instead Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis! Here's your next post coming up: On May 31 2011 09:59 deskscaress wrote: ugh this thread moves wayyyy too fast for a day 1 thread. on the forum i host, our longest game was 30 pages (with ~30 players) for like a 7 day game and even then i was telling everyone they should be less spammy faggots and post more content. sooooooo many posts in this thread so far are just people parroting what other people say. can you stop posting if your post is going to contain 3 lines or less? it just makes it too easy for someone else to come in 3 pages later (when your post has already been forgotten) and say the exact same thing, like "EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP MAKING LISTS HERP" which makes it look like they're contributing like aren't most of you vets? isn't this common knowledge already? ^also i know i look like a hypocrite by just parroting to stop parroting. herp. Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it. The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting. On May 31 2011 11:07 deskscaress wrote: i want to correct this, sorry. "ValpuriS" instead of Valpuris also +1 to everything that chaos reiterated and explained better than i did. redFF is super scummy to me right now Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts? And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts. On May 31 2011 16:06 deskscaress wrote: with all that in mind, if he IS an investigative role, and he flips mafia when he dies, i think we can clear at least these four people because he obviously wouldn't need to bump his mafia bros. of course we can't ACTUALLY clear them because WIFOM etc. but what if the stipulation is that he needs fistbumps from people of the opposite faction to get his thing to work? then can we clear them? yes. but obviously we won't know this info until later. Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On June 01 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote: You all know that You can make everyone say You want them. ... If my memory serves me correctly, I played a standard-ish game with redFF in it. He was very forward and direct. He's doing that now, and his role is harmless unless he's trying to contact moles and such. I highly doubt that, that because why would he claim then? redFF, just like kitaman, is not giving me a vibe. And I already stated that tnkted has a peculiar role, but unlike redff, I see no apparent town benefit. I would still rather lynch tnkted rather then anyone on your list, but his role seems very... traceable. I think reasons to lynch him will make themselves apparent via his role if he is scum. For that reason, I'm going to put my vote on sandroba since amber is giving off town vibes like a radioactive scumhunting puppy. And he can't push sandroba himself so maybe I can assist. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote: That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right. For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it. We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt. On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote: EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role. On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote: Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line. I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest. Now bad ideas can be a common town trait, as no mafia intentionally lays out a bad idea to try to make town follow it. But they will try to give us something to make it seem like contributions. That's often why it's important to look into bad plans, like I did with varpulis. Only varp has been much more active and noticeably has been improving his post content. Sleeper Cell has revealed that sandroba can be the sly-est of the sly. The guy is not stupid, and I think amber pointed out posts that have thought process flaws. Aside from his plan which he ditched fairly quickly, he grasped onto the policy portition. Policy is for people who can't think and use common sense. Policy is a word for scum who want to add fluff to there posts. Policy policy policy policy. I am so town! Sandroba offends my eyes with his doggedness (woah!) of this policy, and plus it's LAL, which can go suck a lemon. Amber can I get permission to push this scum for you? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
I think we might agree to disagree on this one, but I think policy is a good thing. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:19 GMarshal wrote: I disagree with you on policy bum. Policy is one way to distinguish scum from town. If we systematically kill liars then no town is going to lie, and it makes scum think twice before lying, because they know that if they do then they will be killed. I think we might agree to disagree on this one, but I think policy is a good thing. The LaL system is very very hard to enforce accurately though. A townie can lie under proper circumstances and is actually beneficial. In most games I have played in scum never has to actively lie in thread as most of their lies would be done outside thread via pms (in pm style games). In thread most lies come in the appearance of role claims. Mafia don't actually have to lie in a game in which there is a draft order or someone picked their role. Also keep in mind if you have a player like amber who is forced to talk like a dog in this game, and someone who apparently must say bro and fistpump people it could be that people may have to lie about their roles, or lie in general. This is a game where policies that may be usable in a general style game are not really relevant here. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
sandroba, on the other hand, has done nothing since the beginning of the game, where he weakly pushed a plan that involved everybody claiming whose role they had made. He also endorses LAL policy lynches, which, in this setup.... ehhhhh. I won't critique his plans too harshly, but what sets my alarm bells a-ringin' is that he proposed these plans (easy for mafia to do to appear like they're contributing, not to mention the plans were likely doomed to fail anyways) and then promptly failed to do anything else. On May 31 2011 05:19 sandroba wrote: Hey Mataza, you are kinda making a big deal out of this, aren't you? Starting to sweat under this little pressure, huh? This was another of his posts from early in the game. I know it's a small thing, but this post in particular, as early in the game as it was, screams scum to me. Scum love to pile on aggressive pressure without content backing it up in little posts like these. ##Vote sandroba Also, it sounds silly, but I'm pretty sure Amber is town at this point. He's said a lot with very little and is clearly trying to help us out. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4261 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:25 Node wrote: ##Vote sandroba Also, it sounds silly, but I'm pretty sure Amber is town at this point. He's said a lot with very little and is clearly trying to help us out. Ok, so you're voting because Amber's trying really hard. Sandroba is a terrible lynch. The main reason seems to be his original plan. It was against the rules but when he posted his idea it was before deconduo clarified the rules. It might not be the best plan but he's obviously trying to help. He is accused of turning quiet. Within only 2 pages of the announcement of his plan the following people told him his idea was terrible: chaos13 Eternalmisfit Rean Varpulis Palmar Mr Wiggles BloodyC0bbler GMarshal stefftastiq redFF Mataza That is a lot of negativity to swallow, why is everyone surprised that he has gone quiet? I'd pipe down too if I was told by half the town to stfu. Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 31 2011 23:06 Eternalmisfit wrote: Care to explain this sudden change of heart on two accounts: 1. Fistpounding Palmar while strongly advocating against it - scum trying to fit in as town? Or scum trying to get into a potential PM circle? 2. I thought you were only interested in what was happening in this game. Why is company 'like' GM, Node, tnkted important? They haven't done anything noteworthy as of yet in this game. Also why bring in the gg from SNMM II in this game if you think stuff from outside this game has no relevance here. Seems like you are trying too hard to be in the good books of Palmar now. Gladly. Palmar is a smart player. He plays the psychological game very well. If there were anything to fear from being fistpounded, I feel confident that he would make whomever had done it feel very safe in their fist-pounding. He hasn't done this. It's very ambiguous. It's intriguing. I hope it helps town. In case it does, I'm glad to be a part of it. If it turns out that it doesn't, I'll answer for that when the time comes. On another subject, I feel the need to go on the record and say that I'm not suspicious of Kita at this point. Is he abrasive? Sure. Confident? Absolutely. Scummy? That remains to be seen as far as I'm concerned. All I've seen so far is pointed requests to keep the thread length down and jovial little inside-jokes that are beyond me. I'm going back to reread Varp now, but nothing has really SCREAMED red to me yet. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On May 30 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote: Hey guys, I'll be on the US on vacation from may 31 - june 15, so you won't be seing my usual 10+ posts per day, but I will be active anyway. Just don't kill me on meta pls =). | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:11 Karshe wrote: I would like to hear more from Deskscaress, having read through his posts this morning. No clue what this means... Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on. Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis! Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis! Here's your next post coming up: Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it. The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting. Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts? And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts. Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." This is a crazy weak analysis. You just went through and picked the posts of his that seemed most scummy. However, this part I do agree with: Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." We don't know what the fistpounds do. I think four is enough for palmar for now. Nobody else needs to fistpound. Palmar, stop asking for them. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4261 Posts
On May 31 2011 19:59 kitaman27 wrote: Err nope, pretty sure that is just an excuse to call BC bad :p Posting lists do not give a discussion point. I've already explained this and so have a bunch of others. People are just listing names of those who have played a bunch of games without posting content. Not only does it spam the thread, but it also gives scum the ability to blend in. Also, how on earth could anyone ever have a problem with the lovable BC? At least the random votes get a reaction like varp saying he is going to suddenly "be quiet" for the rest of the day. Heh sorry, you're a bit late on this one. You didn't have a problem with random voting in the previous game. Change of motives? You too? Bravo. This thread is already way too spammy. Oh wait, I just post BC jokes cos it's helpful. Of course lists are important, if people explain why those there are on there. This is the only explanation of why lists are a bad idea that you've given. If you direct me to the bunch of others and their arguments against it then I'll reconsider. Varp's "going quiet" still offers much more activity in both post count and ideas than you've been offering. A bit late on what? My "random voting" was always preceded by lengthy analysis and explanation of my reasoning. I did it again here and you haven't said anything to make me change my mind. You want to convince me? Say something of worth. Show me a more convincing target. "Lol scum" isn't gonna cut it for me when you are lurking just the same as last time. I'm not gonna get my arse bitten again. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:59 tnkted wrote: This is a crazy weak analysis. You just went through and picked the posts of his that seemed most scummy. Don't know what to tell you. A fair portion of his posts are "stop spamming," "stop parroting," and talking about his own quality posts but I'm seeing a lot of inconsistency. | ||
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:11 Karshe wrote: I would like to hear more from Deskscaress, having read through his posts this morning. No clue what this means... Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on. Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis! Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis! Here's your next post coming up: Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it. The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting. Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts? And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts. Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." i don't really think half-quoting half of my posts and "replying" to them in a snarky self-tone counts as analysis imo i will address three of these tho: 1 On May 31 2011 03:59 deskscaress wrote: day 2 rolls around and i will *vanish in a puff of smoke* ^not a hint to my role i was trying to make a joke, then i realized that in making that joke, people would think i was hinting at my role. i don't think you quoted the whole post though because there was another line afterwards which said something about WIFOMing. i just think in an all-hidden, all-role game anything you posted can be construed as a hint towards something and i wanted to poke fun at that. APOLOGIES IN ORDER. 2. On May 31 2011 11:07 deskscaress wrote: i want to correct this, sorry. "ValpuriS" instead of Valpuris also +1 to everything that chaos reiterated and explained better than i did. redFF is super scummy to me right now you are right, that was not a great post. i had remembered valpuris congratulating someone on spelling his name correctly earlier in the post and as he is a veteran of the board, i didn't want to be insulting by completely fucking up his name. additionally, chaos did a much better job of saying the exact reasons that i 3. Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." you're... right? i don't KNOW it's an investigative role at all. hence why i offered several suggestions as to what it COULD be. i'm leaning more towards it's a town-drunk group-meeting useless-ify role. a "bro" is typically one of two things: there's your little-known emo crowd "bro," who in that culture, is a kid that loves the same music as the rest of the scenesters, but is the guy that wears tank tops and moshes and plays sports and likes more pop-punk than the rest of the kiddoes. these guys aren't noted for talking in the "bro-talk" that palmar is using. then you have the much more classic "college frat bro" which palmar's role seems to hint at. what are frat-bags known for? drinking, statuatory rape, being idiots, drinking, partying, obsessing over sorority girls... i'm just thinking back to the role *i* designed. the little quirks that it has make sense in context of what the role is supposed to depict. i would assume that the creator of palmar's role would do the same. bros aren't known for charging up their lasers or deathrays. bros aren't martyrs, they're party-goers. bros also aren't known for being particularly secretive with their frat-mates (except about initiation rights!!! new thought!!) so i doubt it's a PM circle. and you're wrong. we will be able to make deductions about who is mafia and who is town based on who chooses to fistbump palmar. it might not be as easy as "he bumped bumatlarge, bumatlarge is clear," but we WILL have info to go off of. if he had some powerful death lazer as you predict and he only needed 4 bumps from people of any faction, why wouldn't the mafia just pile on the bumps? anyways i have dwelt too long on palmar's role now. my original point stands, in that On May 31 2011 16:06 deskscaress wrote: this is not an FoS on VisceralEyes or Palmar, btw. just some musing but now i want to turn around onto YOU, Karshe. i can't tell if you're tunneling me because you're bad (which you have made it quite clear that you feel that way about yourself in this topic), which would explain your half-assed analysis; or if you're tunneling me because i called you bad earlier in the topic. so what gives? | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
On June 01 2011 02:46 deskscaress wrote: but now i want to turn around onto YOU, Karshe. i can't tell if you're tunneling me because you're bad (which you have made it quite clear that you feel that way about yourself in this topic), which would explain your half-assed analysis; or if you're tunneling me because i called you bad earlier in the topic. so what gives? I haven't tunneled you, I had a single post requesting some clarification which for now you have fulfilled. While reading through posts this morning I was looking for a major "huh?" or scum slip-up that I could then go back and dig deeper into post history for that single person. I did not understand your fist-bump post. As I said, it felt like you were trying to give mafia an easy out later in the game. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On a more serious note I don´t like people who announce pro town behaviour but don´t really get around to it. Deskscaress remains rather inconclusive in his longer posts. He is a bit caught up in the concept of WIFOM, and that is at least an indicator that he is not our savior. WIFOM is for people who are not immune to the poison put in the drink after all. And Palmars role could be seriously anything. I even hope it contains a bro fist deathray as that would be utterly hilarious. "He ran, but he couldn´t really flee. The last thing he heard was a deafening "Brooooooo!". The next day he was found dead due to fistpound related injuries. Always get some brotection, bro" I wouldn´t care much if I lose as long as that was the reason. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:52 DropBear wrote: Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. Yo bro, I just gotta clarify this shit. I aint voting on Varpulis based on his plan, everyone can make a bad plan man. If you actually bothered to read my analysis, I'm voting for him on blatant personality change from his last game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186¤tpage=23#455 get yo facts strait bro, I only mention the plan as supplemental to my analysis, the main reason that bitch gonna get hanged is he's acting like a pussy. Let's see it done fellas #Fistpound DropBear | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:59 tnkted wrote: We don't know what the fistpounds do. I think four is enough for palmar for now. Nobody else needs to fistpound. Palmar, stop asking for them. Dude, not cool, and I got six man I aint no scum. Go back, read my analysis on Varpulis | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Inside,cold and smelly winds can be felt. The Good Ol' Bus Driva Hideout ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VyqRj.jpg) Someone must be sent there and interrogate him to get information we need. I suggest bringing some kind of weapon with Yourself,because He,can be very dangerous,care though. Even if he will look as he is unarmed,he can have a driving wheel in his pocket and redirect the bullet Matrix style. The Bro must be his secret project. Get every bit of info from him. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Is that part of your role or are you just spamming like an idiot? | ||
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