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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On May 31 2011 22:40 GMarshal wrote: Hey, has anyone noticed that tnkted's vote on coag is actually counted in the vote thread? Does no one else find that strange? As I said earlier, it must be something to do with his role. There is no other way it would be allowed. He even said that it would give him the opportunity to play in a new way. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On May 31 2011 22:39 Rean wrote: Voting Torte de Lini aswell. He's yet to contribute despite being asked to several times, let's put some more pressure on him. *clicks all* ctrl+F Rean 11 found You people and your contributions. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On May 28 2011 04:49 deconduo wrote: Voting rules: 4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. *lies down* | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 31 2011 22:39 Rean wrote: Voting Torte de Lini aswell. He's yet to contribute despite being asked to several times, let's put some more pressure on him. How about you start contributing as well instead of presurring someone on their first game. Lead by example I say! | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
But there is also no point to it. He got a strange role, get over it. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On May 31 2011 22:45 chaos13 wrote: As I said earlier, it must be something to do with his role. There is no other way it would be allowed. He even said that it would give him the opportunity to play in a new way. this. except the fact that I voted coagulation has nothing to do with it. The fact that I voted for someone who wasn't playing on the other hand.... You can replace 'coagulation' with Bill Murray if you want, it doesn't make a difference to my role. No more clues! | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
Now, what do you think of kitaman27 and varpulis? Tail for town, growl for scum. Bark at the one you think is scummier. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
![[image loading]](http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/04/volcanic_lightning_eyjafjallaj/lightning-1.jpeg) Out of nowhere a bolt of lightning comes down, just barely missing bumatlarge as he dived out of the way. A voiced from the heavens echoed: No giving away who you picked your role for before day 2. No breadcrumbing, no hinting, nothing. Last warning. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
GOD DAMNIT GOD,WHY ODIN IS PLAYING AGAIN | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 31 2011 21:34 bumatlarge wrote: Also I want to note, just because someone doesn't have a lot of votes on them at the time, doesn't mean it isn't a wagon. It's a kinda noobie mafia play to agree with how someone is acting scummy, and not make any move in the voting thread. Most notably: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 12:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I come back from work to see a derailed thread talking about pretty well nothing. I am so glad to see town is so easily led astray by nonsense. To much time has been taken up by this nonsense about ambers role. If he is a dt style dog, he will merely sniff and growl at someone tomorrow if they are red, or sniff and wiggle his tail if they are town. If he is a med dog he can hop around them and bark if he made a save and hop around and whimper if he didnt. If he is a vig style dog, he bites the dead body in thread and barks. If he is another role he can figure out an appropriate action to do but there, ambers role dealt with. He can easily communicate agreement or discontent or the like easily enough in thread. As for people posting base lists without any reasoning to them, Hi for fake activity. Anyone on the zodiac list should be there for a reason. Also no one is also mentioning a medic list with reasons behind it. huge FoS on that. FoS on kita for FoSing people and trying to shut down talking without contributing seriously then begins to derail thread talking about mason role (which we don't know if exists in a good/serious way as the claimed one atm seems to suck). He also begins discussing the information mafia has on roles. Seriously shitty behaviour. Once i am better caught up I shall post more comprehensive thoughts. On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote: I have been sleeping over this and it´s bugging me. So here´s the thing: There are things we are not expecting(yes obvious). We have 33 people and 33 roles. Yet Mafia have only 1 Kill per night. A reasonable amount of people for scumteam would be somewhere around 5-9. This is not slightly off balance, this is "WTF is this shit?". Looking at these numbers, I would refuse to play the mafia side, because of pointlessness. So my take is that there is a huge area we don´t know shit about. I could think of several options, but the point is, this is not helpful. I just mean to say we shouldn´t be surprised to either 1) see people killing without actually having a killing role. 2) see that mafia team has a strong density of killing roles. 3) find out that we have a rather high number of neutrals(like upwards of 4) Now this info alone is useless. However it would become more useful if we had an idea about the number of existing killing roles. Come the next day I would suggest claiming whether or not one assigned a misinformation or killing role. Because killing and misinformation are the antitown traits we should get a grip on them. In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa. None of them scream red to me after rereading. Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game. cthsazsa has been extremely short in posting. Nothing much to work with, other than added unusefulness. chaos13 seems rather legit. Other than asking why Karshe paid attention to his list, talking about the only person on the list he knows, there has been nothing odd. Meapak was maybe a bad call by me to check in the first place. Without any meta knowledge I´d say he looks 100% ok. Then again, people often use past games to judge veterans and I didn´t. Kitaman27 on the other hand is experienced and looks quite erratic. Rather short and unhelpful, while also very quick to vote. Unless some vets tell me that is normal, this is going down as scummy in my book. His only longer post is about Mason roles in general. Everything else is short and choppy. Barring an extraordinary defense, Kitaman27 is guilty in my eyes. On May 31 2011 20:12 prplhz wrote: I'm gonna agree with the FoS on kitaman27. One of his first post is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. I'm green with envy for your scum hunting skills. .. and I honestly do not know what to read into that. First time I read it I didn't even notice but I think it's a weird thing to say. The following posts are all without content, telling people to stop talking about dog+list. Then he just made his biggest contribution yet, in defense of himself. I consider this scummy. Gee, three people thinking someone is scum with no votes in the thread. I can't really say much about BC, he's just giving an FoS, and probably has other people in mind. Hard to say, but it's funny that after he says that, mataza and prplhz take advantage of that. And it doesn't matter what kita's alignment is when analyzing you, since you never put your vote on him! I'll take note of this, thank you for your participation  You've noticed people following me around too eh? Glad to see I'm not crazy and seeing things that don't exist. You will notice people jumped on the harass karshe wagon as well when I was pressuring him. Simple things to look for and two sets of eyes are better than 1, we shall find the mafia sheeping sure enough. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On May 31 2011 22:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:You will notice people jumped on the harass karshe wagon as well when I was pressuring him. Simple things to look for and two sets of eyes are better than 1, we shall find the mafia sheeping sure enough. That would be me because I wasn't satisfied with my read on him. I wanted to see what his response to pressure was like. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On May 31 2011 22:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How about you start contributing as well instead of presurring someone on their first game. Lead by example I say! It's irrelevant how long they have been playing, they have to be contributing. I have been doing so this game, don't see him doing anything that's not "sup guys dont mind me im a newbie ^^". As for thoughts on other players: tnkted is indeed acting weird but it seems to be something with his role providing him protection from being lynched that triggers this behavior. Some others players (barundar/torte/kenpachi/others i cant remember atm) are lurking/being useless in general. Not good. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Also lightning reveals. Keep than in mind for day2. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 31 2011 22:54 bumatlarge wrote: I am retarded. Anyway, tnkted are you planning on telling us anything or do you want to drag this roleclaim out? Honestly, with all the day 1 RC's and soft claims going on, I honestly think we should hold back pushing for more roles. Gives mafia free stomping grounds potentially on what roles to pick off. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
Luck you dodged it bro, gotta be careful with those words. On May 31 2011 21:45 bumatlarge wrote: @kurumi whatever you say boy wonder, but kita isn't the scummiest person. That would be mr slink-away tnkted Anyway we're heading into role discussions again yo, we gotta get 'em mafia to the gallows. And don't write 4 analyses at once dropbear, that's just plain silly and spreads attention, gotta keep it real and simple bro. Keep puttin' pressure on people. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 11:09 chaos13 wrote: Certainly. To begin with is this post: A mason role isn't useful to scum or third party. It is extremely useful to town. This post has some serious issues with me. 1. Dumb roleclaim. It doesn't help us at all - he could have just used his power and then said "k guys I don't think we need to worry about Amber for these reasons ____ without actually having to claim his role. 2. How the hell does he know this? The only way is if he is on a mafia team and they are allowed to share their roles with each other. For all he knows vote-mason could be the best role in the entire game. And then "I know how I can be useful - I'll use my role!" No, really? Brilliant. The rest of his posts have not contained anything overly helpful, and I know from playing on UG with him and observing his games that he is a better player than he is being right now, and that as scum he tends to do stupid things with roleclaims. On May 31 2011 11:31 chaos13 wrote: I feel that my reasons for being suspicious of them are solid. You'll notice that I have not voted for either of them. Seeing as this is a game with no PM's, I have to do all my thinking in the thread. On May 31 2011 11:59 chaos13 wrote: I think that would be a good idea. It will give us some focus. The five I would suggest for this: tnkted - has not been acting entirely pro-town. I definitely want some more input here. Sandroba - I'm still not comfortable with his plan in the beginning. Mataza - Reacted to very light (joking) suspicion at the beginning and was quickly defended (weakly, although lightly) by GMarshal and Palmar Karshe - has posted and clearly read the thread, but has not contributed. Lurker. redFF - reasons already stated What does everyone think of this? On May 31 2011 12:02 chaos13 wrote: Fair enough, let's throw a sixth player on. If nobody has any huge objections to this, I think these players will be a good start. On May 31 2011 12:11 chaos13 wrote: The idea is to take 5 or 6 possible suspects and focus on them so we don't get distracted by the multitude of potential scum. This way we can all coordinate and actually get something done. I looked for lurkers and picked one of them. It happened to be Karshe, but it could have been any of a number of them. On May 31 2011 22:05 chaos13 wrote: I don't feel that either varpulis or kitaman27 are particularly scummy. I think they have definitely made some bad moves as town, but I don't believe they are scum either. Between the two of them, varpulis is more likely to be scum. tnkted is confusing, but that is probably just something to do with his role. How else could he get away with voting someone who isn't actually in the game? ??? The person I would be most comfortable voting for right now is Tackster, because of his lurking and apparent reluctance to contribute. I'm getting a really bad feeling about him, and it's backed up by his posting. *wiggles his tail* + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote: BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after. On May 31 2011 13:03 chaos13 wrote: I don't see where I asked Karshe his thoughts on Mataza. Mataza was on the list I created, as was Karshe. Perhaps he misinterpreted this. Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF). On May 31 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote: GMarshal, please grace us with your thoughts on varpulis and kitaman27. Do you think they are both scum, just one of them, or none? Why? Between the two, who appears to be more scummy, and why? While you're at it, why don't you tell me why you have consistently harassed people to start contributing without doing so yourself? Also why you mentioned a few times why zodiac lists and the type were useless without reasoning behind the names when you haven't actually given your own thoughts on anyone at all so far. This is your biggest piece of analysis so far: Your posting stance is noncommittal. Your vote commits a lot. What's going on here? The first few questions I asked on varpulis and kita will be a perfect opportunity to start contributing some more btw. Don't forget to answer them. *wiggles his tail* + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote: I'm well aware of that. I have already stated that I will be taking all role claims with a giant grain of salt. It is also rare for 2 scum to so directly connect to each other. I'm more concerned with your apparent willingness to lynch Amber simply because he speaks dog. I like dogs.  On May 31 2011 11:08 Jackal58 wrote: Thanks. It's sorted. Chaos13 is a pretty sharp cookie. He doesn't make very many harmless oversights. He's worth keeping an eye on. On May 31 2011 11:28 Jackal58 wrote: So first Chaos13 is telling us it's probably a good idea to get rid of an apparent dt role. Now he wants us to kill an apparent mason role. On May 31 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: Lol. I'm not tunneling Chaos. I just wanted everybody to be aware that the two people he fosfed both appear to possess roles scum would not want to have in the game. When I tunnel somebody you and everybody else will know it. And thanks Node. I didn't see the post from Decon regarding scum kp. On May 31 2011 22:20 Jackal58 wrote: Why? Voting is a tool. It serves more than one purpose. *barks loudly* x5 + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote: That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right. For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it. We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt. On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote: EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role. On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote: Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line. I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest. #vote: Sandroba | ||
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