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iggyfisk
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden212 Posts
May 27 2011 02:21 GMT
#281
On May 27 2011 11:19 elementz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:17 godemperor wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:13 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: we understood the lag was unbearably bad. However, we don't have any rules in place that allow matches to be postponed because of lag. We asked DarkForcE if he would play the following day, when there would hopefully not be lag -- he said no. We asked DarkForcE to wait until after the next match in hopes that lag would clear up and then finish the series -- he said no.

Unfortunately for Ensnare we continued to play. I feel bad for him but nothing we can do there.

kk, lag sucks, but thanks for explanation. gj darkforce!

really? that's such a dick move from darkforce, i guess he thought he couldn't win other wise?


or maybe he had another tournament or his brother's funeral scheduled, we don't know, better not call him a dick and a coward maybe.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
May 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#282
On May 27 2011 11:19 KingRajesh wrote:
Wow... 2 rax marine all in w/ SCVs have really fallen in power since the days of BitByBit, eh?


even bbb doesn't do 2 rax all-in. most people go 3 rax or the slightly slower 6 rax which is imo much better.
neats
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada59 Posts
May 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#283
lag pwned my liquibet.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#284
On May 27 2011 11:20 thoradycus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:18 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:16 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:15 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:13 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:12 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:10 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:09 thoradycus wrote:
ensnare's money is at 1k..........



....he's lagging like fuck

lag doesn't affect macro. I guess it could put you on tilt and that would affect macro, but the lag itself does not.

given the game he just played in GSL, I would not assume that his macro is actually good in normal conditions



Uhmmm yes it does. Have you ever played with lag?

I live in South Africa. I always play with lag.



Then you understand the concept of key pressing and it's delay into being recieved by the game.....

Yes, it doesn't matter. He almost certainly has under 1 second latency (any higher and you tend to just drop). It is not a big deal to queue for 1 second, people do that when there's no lag too.

but then ensnare had lag spikes thruout the entire game so that threw him off as well

Yes I'm sure. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, not at all. It tilts you, and completely fucks up micro - especially when the latency is inconsistent. I'm just saying it doesn't affect macro.

I find it odd people assume he would have played well but for lag. This is the guy who just produced one of the worst GSL games ever, with fail after fail after fail into loss.
Serek
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom459 Posts
May 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#285
On May 27 2011 11:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:13 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: we understood the lag was unbearably bad. However, we don't have any rules in place that allow matches to be postponed because of lag. We asked DarkForcE if he would play the following day, when there would hopefully not be lag -- he said no. We asked DarkForcE to wait until after the next match in hopes that lag would clear up and then finish the series -- he said no.

Unfortunately for Ensnare we continued to play. I feel bad for him but nothing we can do there.


That makes it a shady win in my eyes. It's one thing if Ensnare was stubborn and pretended like lag wasn't affecting anything, but Darkforce was given the option of (possibly) making it an even playing field.


Shady win? What if Darkforce had other commitments already for the next day?
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
May 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#286
On May 27 2011 11:20 Skew wrote:
his allin was worse because of lag, he allined because of tvz.

Aren't balance whines still being banned in LR threads? What are you thinking sir?

What a shame that darkforce refused to try and give his opponent a lag free game. Oh well... we can only blame blizzard.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
May 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#287
Oh wow that was sooo anticlimatic... here goes my liquibet yay for online tourneys
o choro é livre
KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
May 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#288
On May 27 2011 11:19 elementz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:17 godemperor wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:13 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: we understood the lag was unbearably bad. However, we don't have any rules in place that allow matches to be postponed because of lag. We asked DarkForcE if he would play the following day, when there would hopefully not be lag -- he said no. We asked DarkForcE to wait until after the next match in hopes that lag would clear up and then finish the series -- he said no.

Unfortunately for Ensnare we continued to play. I feel bad for him but nothing we can do there.

kk, lag sucks, but thanks for explanation. gj darkforce!

really? that's such a dick move from darkforce, i guess he thought he couldn't win other wise?


Come on man. Maybe Darkforce was busy? These guys are pros, they can't be expected to rearrange their full schedules to HELP THEIR OPPONENT.

You know if it was 1-1, and you had an advantage you'd do it too.
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
May 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#289
This is one of the few matches where i root for both players :D
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
May 27 2011 02:23 GMT
#290
whitera and incontrol! I don't even know who to root for here. My 2 favorite Toss playing.
Nihn'kas Neehn
neats
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada59 Posts
May 27 2011 02:24 GMT
#291
On May 27 2011 11:22 Serek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:13 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: we understood the lag was unbearably bad. However, we don't have any rules in place that allow matches to be postponed because of lag. We asked DarkForcE if he would play the following day, when there would hopefully not be lag -- he said no. We asked DarkForcE to wait until after the next match in hopes that lag would clear up and then finish the series -- he said no.

Unfortunately for Ensnare we continued to play. I feel bad for him but nothing we can do there.


That makes it a shady win in my eyes. It's one thing if Ensnare was stubborn and pretended like lag wasn't affecting anything, but Darkforce was given the option of (possibly) making it an even playing field.


Shady win? What if Darkforce had other commitments already for the next day?


+1.

As unfortunate as it is that he could not delay there's no need to hate on the guy.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 02:24:39
May 27 2011 02:24 GMT
#292
On May 27 2011 11:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:19 elementz wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:17 godemperor wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:13 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: we understood the lag was unbearably bad. However, we don't have any rules in place that allow matches to be postponed because of lag. We asked DarkForcE if he would play the following day, when there would hopefully not be lag -- he said no. We asked DarkForcE to wait until after the next match in hopes that lag would clear up and then finish the series -- he said no.

Unfortunately for Ensnare we continued to play. I feel bad for him but nothing we can do there.

kk, lag sucks, but thanks for explanation. gj darkforce!

really? that's such a dick move from darkforce, i guess he thought he couldn't win other wise?


Come on man. Maybe Darkforce was busy? These guys are pros, they can't be expected to rearrange their full schedules to HELP THEIR OPPONENT.

You know if it was 1-1, and you had an advantage you'd do it too.


No, I really wouldn't.

You say he may of had something to do, but it's very possible he was just being a dick and taking an unfair advantage. Both are possible, and it's not really warranted talking about either way.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 02:24:34
May 27 2011 02:24 GMT
#293
On May 27 2011 11:23 MattyClutch wrote:
whitera and incontrol! I don't even know who to root for here. My 2 favorite Toss playing.

No contest sir... Special Tactics FTW!!!!

GO WHITE-RA!!!
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 27 2011 02:24 GMT
#294
On May 27 2011 11:20 pieman819 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:17 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:15 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:13 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:12 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:10 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:09 thoradycus wrote:
ensnare's money is at 1k..........



....he's lagging like fuck

lag doesn't affect macro. I guess it could put you on tilt and that would affect macro, but the lag itself does not.

given the game he just played in GSL, I would not assume that his macro is actually good in normal conditions



Uhmmm yes it does. Have you ever played with lag?

I live in South Africa. I always play with lag.


So if scv doesn't build until 5 seconds after you hit s and workers don't start building supply depots until 5 seconds after you tell them to your macro will still be fine?

You could never maintain a connection at 5 seconds latency. Don't make shit up.


Horse shit. I've played in conditions in which I've had that kind of delay, how about you don't accuse people of making shit up?

i think yo are the one full of shit, 5 seconds is a fucking long ass time and you would 100% drop out of the game long before even a full 2 seconds of lag


Herp derp, not actual 5 seconds of delay but lag LIKE THAT (aka BAD LAG). Don't be so damn literal and nit pick. The point is that excessive lag exists in which it literally feels like everything is taking about 30 seconds to occur. Who cares what the actual numerical value of the time delay is, the point is that it SEVERELY AFFECTS PLAY.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 02:25:25
May 27 2011 02:24 GMT
#295
NASL (or whoever) should never put a player in the situation of having to choose to be "nice" when that would be detrimental to them. Either they shoot themselves in the foot or they're a dick, it's not fair on them. The tournament organisers should make the choice for them.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 02:27:11
May 27 2011 02:24 GMT
#296
On May 27 2011 11:22 Serek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:13 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: we understood the lag was unbearably bad. However, we don't have any rules in place that allow matches to be postponed because of lag. We asked DarkForcE if he would play the following day, when there would hopefully not be lag -- he said no. We asked DarkForcE to wait until after the next match in hopes that lag would clear up and then finish the series -- he said no.

Unfortunately for Ensnare we continued to play. I feel bad for him but nothing we can do there.


That makes it a shady win in my eyes. It's one thing if Ensnare was stubborn and pretended like lag wasn't affecting anything, but Darkforce was given the option of (possibly) making it an even playing field.


Shady win? What if Darkforce had other commitments already for the next day?


What if he *shockingly* rescheduled for another time? Or is he magically busy the entire week?

It doesn't make Darkforce a bad guy. But it certainly puts into question what the results mean. And again, he was given the option and refused.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Disastorm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States922 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 02:26:30
May 27 2011 02:25 GMT
#297
On May 27 2011 11:21 iggyfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 11:19 elementz wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:17 godemperor wrote:
On May 27 2011 11:13 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: we understood the lag was unbearably bad. However, we don't have any rules in place that allow matches to be postponed because of lag. We asked DarkForcE if he would play the following day, when there would hopefully not be lag -- he said no. We asked DarkForcE to wait until after the next match in hopes that lag would clear up and then finish the series -- he said no.

Unfortunately for Ensnare we continued to play. I feel bad for him but nothing we can do there.

kk, lag sucks, but thanks for explanation. gj darkforce!

really? that's such a dick move from darkforce, i guess he thought he couldn't win other wise?


or maybe he had another tournament or his brother's funeral scheduled, we don't know, better not call him a dick and a coward maybe.

Since NASL is a tournament over the internet, they should definitely make some rules regarding lag where they can force players to play another time. Since theres no rule for it now, I don't think its a dick move from darkforce, but there definitely should be a rule that would force the player to play another time whether its hours, days, or more later.
"Don't worry so much man. There won't be any more zergs left to QQ. Lots of QQ about TvT is incoming though I bet." - Vrok 9/21/10
neats
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada59 Posts
May 27 2011 02:25 GMT
#298
Perfect position for warp prism in mineral line... I'm calling it now from Whitera.
neats
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada59 Posts
May 27 2011 02:25 GMT
#299
TECTICS.
Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
May 27 2011 02:25 GMT
#300
casters didnt even notice incontrol canceled second gas!
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