Pick Your Power Insane! - Page 35

On May 17 2011 19:42 Radfield wrote:
OK, sure Barundar is an excellent lynch target, but I'd much rather lynch further down the list today, and we have plenty of excellent targets lower town. An alignment check on him tonight should do the trick anyways.

Kavdragon is putting in lots of effort, and making mistakes. If anything this looks pro-town, not anti-town.

Incongito is too great a town asset to lynch off his Day 1 behavior, especially since he claims he's been out of town. (By the way, I appreciate that you ignored all my posts and then called me an invisible poster )




I think you're wrong here Eiii, lynching easy targets(like non-contributing or inactive players) only helps the mafia by giving them an easy out. We have an absolute ton of info so far, and a decent chance of killing scum today, better in my mind than any other normal game, since we basically have a 96 hour Day 1.

Easy targets who give us nothing at this point: Deconduo, KillerSOS, Fishball(hello? FIshball? Are you there? Are you playing?)

OriginalName: Tentative, Spammy, Jokey, One Liners.... even has a standard medium length contributy post which says almost nothing. Unfortunately he has been called out by several other scummy players, so he could just be an easy target.

Mr Wiggles: Did a small amount of leg-work looking at roles, Medium sized posts with minimal info, recapping, content to continue discussing plans and roles. Best of all, he makes a very long-winded post after getting called out, which is full of various themes. A good target

tknted: So far I'm undecided. Contributed a few ideas, and a bit of his own opinions which is good. Yet to weigh in on the lynch. Please post more.

Node: Decent target. Talks about the mafia over and over, what they would do, why they would do, how they would do. Then proceeds to spam it up, direct suspicion at chezinu(always a safe play). He also semi-defends Kurumi, which is good, since kurumi is an easy target to pick on from the looks of things.

There is also one other player on my list, who I think is the most likely to be scum and our best target. I would rather not pressure him/her right now though, because I want to see what they do on their own.

In the absence of talking about my last target, I think the best lynch for the moment is Mr. Wiggles. Anyone agree or disagree?

On May 17 2011 21:00 GMarshal wrote:
Eiii-
This post is so scummy its not even funny, it shows a complete disregard for the power of his vote and a "yay easy bandwagon" attitude that is at the very least anti-town, if not outright scummy

On May 18 2011 02:13 Ace wrote:


I've got problems with all of those bolded claims.

1.) Doesn't matter where we lynch right now. We have no idea about where Mafia got their spots, and if Barundar is indeed the scummiest person then he gets the lynch. No tradeoffs. Thing is he isn't scummy at all. All he did was ask for people to stop throwing out scum accusations every other post - and I agree. It will be too easy to just get a random person lynched with this much division.

2.) Effort does not equal pro-town behavior. If you make mistakes, especially blatant ones like mass accusations or using terrible arguments under the guise of generating discussion then you aren't much different than Scum trying to act like they are getting things done. If he has played in games before then this should be clear by now that doing this is not good for town.

3.) No one is too good to not lynch in this game. More so than Kavdragon, Incognito threw around accusations and even worse reasons. The vote for Killsos (omg kill sauce?!).

@flamewheel: Being silly is no excuse for getting a free pass.

Either way we've got more than enough "contributions" from enough people already. Asking any more people to contribute for now will just serve as clutter because honestly - nothing new is coming from anyone today. It's time we consolidate our votes on a few suspects, get the lynch off, and get the DT to check the list. Yo guys are wasting time with this senseless finger pointing.

Incognito is the scummiest person so far. I like how he even told everyone to "go back and read the thread", while not even pointing out what in the thread is so important it requires a re-read. Pretty much just giving orders and no follow up in an effort to look active.

Kavdragon is scummy too, but since some people like bumatlarge want to play daddy day care guess he can't be lynched yet.

'tis ok, I've got my gun though.

On May 18 2011 02:41 Eiii wrote:


hey remember that time I posted about this

yeah me neither I hate reading

On May 18 2011 02:13 Ace wrote:
Either way we've got more than enough "contributions" from enough people already. Asking any more people to contribute for now will just serve as clutter because honestly - nothing new is coming from anyone today. It's time we consolidate our votes on a few suspects, get the lynch off, and get the DT to check the list. Yo guys are wasting time with this senseless finger pointing.

On May 17 2011 21:09 bumatlarge wrote:
Can the normal GF change the role/alignment of any player or just mafia? Is he essentially a stronger framer?.

On May 18 2011 04:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Sorry I've been gone for a while, I'm trying to get rid of a trojan from my Mum's comp and have been looking up and trying to apply fixes.

On the lynch: We shouldn't be afraid to lynch into the top of the list if we think there's a good chance of the target being scum. If we kill scum, all that does is give mafia back their role if they have the copycat. I'd much rather just try to lynch whoever's scummiest than try to lynch someone because they look kind've scummy and if they're green don't have a good role. If mafia have copycat, and you lynch wrong, they get a town role. If you lynch right, they get their own role back, which is better than them getting an additional role.

On Targets: Of course we need to lower the number. What that doesn't mean, for me anyways, is that if something new is brought forward, we should just ignore it. By this, I don't mean more of the FOS spam, but actually well thought out and put together cases. So, we should look through all the potential lynch targets, and find maybe three that look the scummiest, or we can generate the best discussion on. Then, new cases can be evaluated as they are brought forward, and random vote spam can be discouraged, as it isn't even *good* pressure anyways.

Of the top three picks right now, I'm going to be voting for Deconduo at the moment. He's been useless, spammy, and lurky. Incognito has been throwing around a lot of FOS, but I don't think that makes him scum, and Chaoser has been fairly inactive, with very generic posts, but gave an IRL reason for it, so I'd rather see what he has to say on Day 2 when he talks more and it's easier to get a read.

I said lynching vanilla would allow mafia to pick what role the Copy Cat gets. Vanilla is the definition of not having a role, whether you are vanilla town or mafia. I am arguing for lynching someone else than deconduo for that reason alone, but he is not a bad lynch: He is either town with no role to waste, or mafia with a high pick.

My argument against lynching Scamp is also based on the risk of the copy cat. People say there is no copy cat because scum has better options, but there has been a scum copy cat in the other PYP's, so I think it's a valid concern.

I know it's controversial that I'm saying you need to stop bringing in new targets constantly, and actually focus on the ones we have, but really, it serves no purpose. We had all yesterday to throw accusations around, now its time to reconcile. Chances are, some of the targets already brought up are fully legit. Why does everyone think they are smarter than everyone else? flamewheel there is no pressure in just one vote, albeit I admit it made node post.

On May 18 2011 00:31 Kavdragon wrote:
@Ace/Caller/everyone else.

My strategy early game of using bad arguments was because of the lack of information to start with. I don't think that there is any point to continuing this sort of play at this point in the game, so I'll stop. Barundar had a good point: We pressured some people for the first half of the day, but it's time to consolidate targets. The time for lightly pointing fingers is over. It's time for votes to go down.

On May 18 2011 03:18 Kavdragon wrote:


How do you suggest that we get more information then, Ace? The way I see it, the only people generating discussion (and thus information) have been pestered by you from the start, and you haven't been helping get ANY information. What am i supposed to think?