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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:29 Kavdragon wrote: Um...Duh? As I've said before, it's day one, and reads are pretty sketchy because of the lack of information. I'll say it again: The best way to get information is to pressure people and look at the response. Any pushes at this point are obviously going to be pressure, not actual attempts to get someone lynched. (Well. Depending on the response...) Look at my posting: that's pretty much all I've done, from my very first post (pressuring Node) to now, pressuring caller and Wiggles. I have a scum read on you too, but I don't trust myself to make anything close to an accurate read on you (especially since I automatically associate you with scum) so I'm leaving you alone. In general i think that only mafia have something to fear from people applying pressure, as townies will be judged by their reactions. Incog telling pointing fingers and telling FW to nuke is exactly the sort of thing that generates discussion and information on people. For instance, if me and incog start pressuring a townie (esspecially if there's not a much of a reason to) and someone else jumps on, then you've just got your self someone who's looking awfully scummy. This tactic has been used by skilled players to great effect so don't tell me it doesn't work. Also, what you said about putting on scum goggles is a very real danger, but it's something that I've been accepting full knowing because again, it's not about making a real case, it's about pressure. If that requires me to purposefully misinterpret posts, then I'll do it. Of course now that you've made me say this my pressure will be less effective... I wasn't going to say anything, but then I realized that I've seen a similar so-called "pressure" strategy many, many times before. What happened? It was a mafia trying to out Blues, and sure enough, Cop got outed Day 1, game went downhill from there: There's applying pressure, and then there's trying to win arguments. What you are doing here is just trying to win an argument. I've been looking around and I've noticed three types of people (many exceptions of course, cough Chezinu cough), which I'm going to group into three categories. A) People who are taking risks. These are people like Incognito and Flamewheel. B) People who are pussyfooting around and not committing to anything. This should be fairly obvious. C) People who claim to be doing things because it is pro-town while at the same time doing B. This includes people like you. Your argument is this: if we can get information, it is a good thing. This is the same argument certain players have made before-namely, lynching people is good for information. Mafia are not the type of players that take risks. They in fact avoid risks because they have certainty available. Why rely on risk when you have less resources? If every lynch was a 50/50 coinflip between Mafia and Town, Mafia would lose very quickly. Therefore, it is natural for Mafia, whom have an information advantage in this game, to rely on certainty and to avoid risks whenever possible. To that extent, Incognito and Flamewheel both are giving off town vibes. But they are also tricky bastards, so they're still on notice. On the other hand, we have people who aren't committing to anything. This is a sign of either stupid townies or stupid mafia. More likely mafia, because as I said above mafia don't take risks. But they don't matter right now because both of those parties are relatively ineffective this early in the game. Then we have people that are like you. You have played very interestingly-sure, you have been pressuring people, including me, so this could easily be seen as an OMGUS, except it's not. In your very words, you have been pressuring people to get a reaction. That's nice and all, but you yourself have given a reaction in response to Ace's pressure per se. What is this reaction, you ask? It's this: Look at my posting: that's pretty much all I've done, from my very first post (pressuring Node) to now, pressuring caller and Wiggles. I have a scum read on you too, but I don't trust myself to make anything close to an accurate read on you (especially since I automatically associate you with scum) so I'm leaving you alone. You do three things here: A) Said because I did X, therefore I am not fishy. B) Said to the pressurer that you yourself are fishy, therefore your opinion doesn't count C) Said "I find you suspicious, but I'm not going to do anything about it and instead go after other people." D) Have essentially provided cover for yourself through saying Um...Duh? As I've said before, it's day one, and reads are pretty sketchy because of the lack of information. therefore justifying any consequences that may potentially result of your actions.Your entire argument basically boils down to "I'm doing this, therefore I'm advancing town's cause, therefore I'm a townie, therefore anything bad that happens is not my fault because I'm a townie." Except this is the scummiest possible argument possible. You don't commit to anything, in the interest of just "getting reactions," and absolve yourself from say, the likelihood that your scum team is going to use the fruits of your "pressure" to figure out who has the stronger roles and shoot them first. You even proceed to make intentionally weak arguments such as using numbers to find mafia-in your own words you even admit that it was a shitty strategy. You miss the point entirely. The numbers were never something I used to figure out who was scum, but simply a way for me to narrow down who I will focus my posting on. It makes me (and hopefully others) post opinions on who they think is scummy. The numbers add NOTHING to my argument towards someone, they simply were the means by which I selected someone to analyse. And you admit that's how you argue, as well: it's not about making a real case, it's about pressure. If that requires me to purposefully misinterpret posts, then I'll do it. So we have someone who's playing safe, making shit arguments so people can argue them, never commits to anything-just "pressures until he gets a reaction"-claiming this is all in the name of the greater good, that everybody else should follow suit, and so on and so forth. You've layered your arguments with lots of defenses and absolve yourself of responsibility. This isn't something town does-look in this post, made by someone whom is quite possibly a sneaky bastard but is giving out strong town vibes: Also, I'm so glad nukes are public. Let me prove I'm not America. ##Nuke: infinitestory When no nuke kills my fellow staff member at the end of the day, we'll all be happy. Actually, that's not true. If somebody hypothetically had actually chosen America, they could launch the same nuke. Good luck with that, though--I can check and then shoot anybody foolish enough to do that in the following nights. Now just let me do my thing and check, protect, and/or shoot people at night. This man has balls. Shrugs off an accusation by doing the most direct thing possible. Personally takes responsibility for any holes in his actions. Isn't afraid in general. Seems a bit different, eh? In any case, given the above, I'd like to continue the fingerpointing. ##FOS Kavdragon | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
You know if town sits and throws around random votes, mafia is going to do it as well, right? FoS: Caller | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 17 2011 16:32 Barundar wrote: Great. Now it's 10 different people. You know if town sits and throws around random votes, mafia is going to do it as well, right? FoS: Caller so are you claiming that you're mafia brah? | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
On May 17 2011 16:32 Barundar wrote: Great. Now it's 10 different people. You know if town sits and throws around random votes, mafia is going to do it as well, right? FoS: Caller I'm confused... did you just say you're mafia? | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
/facepalm | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On May 17 2011 16:32 Barundar wrote: Great. Now it's 10 different people. You know if town sits and throws around random votes, mafia is going to do it as well, right? FoS: Caller And by doing this, you've continued the cycle! We could do this forever, man! | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Caller throws a FoS, but makes a vote. I throw a FoS, because he tries to introduce yet another target, bringing us to 10 in total, way more than we need. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
lol | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
Step 3: wait 24 hours to pass because anything done in the first half of the day with respect to voting is typically meaningless since it gets changed in the later half of the day -- completed | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 17 2011 16:39 Barundar wrote: FoS≠Vote Caller throws a FoS, but makes a vote. I throw a FoS, because he tries to introduce yet another target, bringing us to 10 in total, way more than we need. so, your argument is that since we already have targets we should ignore everything that has been said before and instead tunnel on the people whom have been accused early, despite any later developments to the contrary? real tunnel vision. Your arguments could be summed up as follows: a) lynching incognito is okay, because ace and foolishness are supporting it! b) i support policy lynches (note: HUGE scumtell) c) if we're spread out, scum will be able to bandwagon on someone for their purposes! d) we should lynch to deal with a role that may or may not have been selected (because obviously one small role is super duper important in mafia and is the difference between winning and losing) to which I respond a) lol b) lol c) lol d) lol | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On May 17 2011 06:25 Kavdragon wrote: Upon further review, there is nothing of much significance with Mr.Wiggles. He doesn't make scum slips, he doesn't contradict himself as far as I see, but all of his contributions and posting are very "safe". He doesn't come out with any opinions that are unique, and seems to sheep behind a lot of people in an attempt to blend in. The one thing that sticks out about Mr Wiggles is that he doesn't want to stick out. It seems like he's doing his best to get by with minimal contribution, and that fits my pattern for scum. We now have a healthy pot of information to sift through. Guess I know what I'm going to do tomorrow. Everyone should go back and look at what's already been posted. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 17 2011 16:58 Incognito wrote: And Caller shows his true colors. I agree that Kavdragon is showing the "trying to lead the town without being in the spotlight" syndrome. But Caller I think you missed one important post: We now have a healthy pot of information to sift through. Guess I know what I'm going to do tomorrow. Everyone should go back and look at what's already been posted. incognito, why don't we let kevdragon defend himself first before you jump in and set off any of my landmines for me. I'm applying pressure after all and want to see what he has to say. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Node, stop being useless. In the eight posts you've made since the draft orders have been revealed there is only one post with over 40 words, and they've progressively become even less relevant to the game. Incognito is being silly. Lynching him is dumb. His posts are actually beneficial to the town, unlike many of the people filling up these pages right now. Scamp, your posts also don't say much. I wouldn't say they're evasive, but they're one step up from being useless. You've contributed very little to the discussion so far and you haven't even really demonstrated why you have suspicions of KillerSOS. deconduo needs to post more, and in not such a farcical fashion. tnkted has four posts since receiving his role PM. One is asking whether or not others had received their role PMs. One is nonsense, part blabbering about raptureready and part inane pressure on Mr. Wiggles. One is about how he doesn't know about the PYP setup and his conjectures on numbers. The last is about applying pressure, and he hasn't been around since. He needs to not only post more, but also post in a more contributory fashion. Fishball is being useless. And if a nuke does indeed land on infinitestory at the end of the day, you know who I'll be shooting. I'm placing my vote on Node for now. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On May 17 2011 16:21 Incognito wrote: I also believe that the thief is not an active role in this game. Due to the way the numbers turned out, it is likely that the mafia got enough top spots that they don’t need to steal roles. I don't agree with your logic here. If the mafia have a bunch of top spots then they know what wasn't picked early and can snag a powerful role late. In addition, they also know which top spots to target so the thief is exceptionally powerful, unless you believe the mafia have all the top 6 spots or something. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I just wanted to say hi to get a conversation going since everyone is ignoring me. But I am creating this spoiler so that it isn't considered spam. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On May 17 2011 17:17 flamewheel wrote: Scamp, your posts also don't say much. I wouldn't say they're evasive, but they're one step up from being useless. You've contributed very little to the discussion so far and you haven't even really demonstrated why you have suspicions of KillerSOS. It's kind of hard to demonstrate, but if you need me to I can go back and quote all of them with my thoughts. Basically it's for the same reason people are suspecting me: General uselessness. But his posts carried a vibe that seemed to say he was posting just to post and not because he had nothing to say. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
The only game I've played with him was Survivor Amazon, but quality posts and analysis wasn't exactly the name of the game there. I clicked through his history from TL Mafia XXX and earlier and while I didn't see anything stellar, he at least seemed to be, you know, playing. I have to think that he's smarter than he's letting on. | ||
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