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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 17 2011 11:25 infinitestory wrote: :O If someone else tries to nuke me, they'll have to type it in anyway >_> ##Nuke: infinitestory So if a nuke lands on you at the end of day, which one of us fired it? *plays music* I think you get the point. I kid, I don't have a nuke I swear! | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:33 infinitestory wrote: do you realize that there is no way Incog could have known Flamewheel had America unless they were communicating outside of thread, + it looks like Incog is even wrong about it. That's not generating discussion, that's just distracting people, fishing for a claim, putting unreasonable suspicion on fw, etc. Of course FW didn't have a nuke. That was obvious to me from the moment that i saw incog request it. If they were communicating out of thread, then why would they be talking about it in thread? I 100% doubt that Incog thought FW had america either. It was all just a play to put pressure on GMarshal, something that I think was a good idea as he is one of the easier players to read. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:40 Kavdragon wrote: Of course FW didn't have a nuke. That was obvious to me from the moment that i saw incog request it. If they were communicating out of thread, then why would they be talking about it in thread? I 100% doubt that Incog thought FW had america either. It was all just a play to put pressure on GMarshal, something that I think was a good idea as he is one of the easier players to read. I would agree with this if Incog had a case before an accusation, like the horse before the cart. Instead, he just threw around accusations on players without any explanation at all. If I simply want players to talk more, there are certainly less aggressive/suspicious ways to do so. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 17 2011 10:31 Eiii wrote: Oh man, decon just made himself the perfect placeholder vote candidate. Or maybe even a good lynch candidate! :D You haven't been posting much, and you suddenly appear to simply bandwagon deconduo. Generally, placeholder votes are put on yourself, by the way; right now, it looks like you're just voting without caring who you're voting for. The lynch is important. It's a reliable way to weed out mafia, given that people vote intelligently. What is your reason for voting deconduo? Do you believe he is mafia? (If not, who are you watching?) | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Draft Order: 1. Flamewheel [3][3] 2. Scamp [7][11] 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][1] 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness[1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] 13. KillerSOS[5][11] 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] 18. Original Name[4][6] 19. tnkted [4][12] 20. Chezinu [4][x] 21. Ace [9][11] 22. Kurumi [9][13] 23. Incognito[9][1] 24. Node [9][1] 25. kitaman27 [9][1] Is anyone else still wondering why all the 4's are behind the 5's and 6's? | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:54 Kavdragon wrote: + Show Spoiler + Draft Order: 1. Flamewheel [3][3] 2. Scamp [7][11] 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][1] 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness[1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] 13. KillerSOS[5][11] 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] 18. Original Name[4][6] 19. tnkted [4][12] 20. Chezinu [4][x] 21. Ace [9][11] 22. Kurumi [9][13] 23. Incognito[9][1] 24. Node [9][1] 25. kitaman27 [9][1] Is anyone else still wondering why all the 4's are behind the 5's and 6's? I thought about it, and I figured that it's because there were more 4s (5 of them to be exact), and that this was just not obvious from the example given. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
lol wow I really wonder sometimes. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7456 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:56 infinitestory wrote: I thought about it, and I figured that it's because there were more 4s (5 of them to be exact), and that this was just not obvious from the example given. lol, whoever made that list got my number wrong. I guess they will know now since I told them.. maybe that was their plan all along.. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
In general i think that only mafia have something to fear from people applying pressure, as townies will be judged by their reactions. Incog telling pointing fingers and telling FW to nuke is exactly the sort of thing that generates discussion and information on people. For instance, if me and incog start pressuring a townie (esspecially if there's not a much of a reason to) and someone else jumps on, then you've just got your self someone who's looking awfully scummy. While pressuring is pretty much the best way right now to go about getting people to talk, it's not really pressure when you try to work 4 different people at the same time. Information doesn't come out of that, confusion and multiple people responding to that fingering pointing does. Oops lolol I wrote this up, went to boil some water for tea, and forgot to post lol | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:29 Kavdragon wrote: Um...Duh? As I've said before, it's day one, and reads are pretty sketchy because of the lack of information. I'll say it again: The best way to get information is to pressure people and look at the response. Any pushes at this point are obviously going to be pressure, not actual attempts to get someone lynched. (Well. Depending on the response...) Look at my posting: that's pretty much all I've done, from my very first post (pressuring Node) to now, pressuring caller and Wiggles. I have a scum read on you too, but I don't trust myself to make anything close to an accurate read on you (especially since I automatically associate you with scum) so I'm leaving you alone. In general i think that only mafia have something to fear from people applying pressure, as townies will be judged by their reactions. Incog telling pointing fingers and telling FW to nuke is exactly the sort of thing that generates discussion and information on people. For instance, if me and incog start pressuring a townie (esspecially if there's not a much of a reason to) and someone else jumps on, then you've just got your self someone who's looking awfully scummy. This tactic has been used by skilled players to great effect so don't tell me it doesn't work. Also, what you said about putting on scum goggles is a very real danger, but it's something that I've been accepting full knowing because again, it's not about making a real case, it's about pressure. If that requires me to purposefully misinterpret posts, then I'll do it. Of course now that you've made me say this my pressure will be less effective... Actually it is about a real case. Whether you're accusing a Town or Scum player anyone with a modicum of sense is going to realize you're just tunneling. Pressure is when you can get someone to contradict their actions or screw up answering a question. 3 people constantly pointing out stuff that they want to see in your posts but isn't there isn't pressure. Really, I highly doubt anyone would get scared and think that will send them to the gallows. All you're doing is throwing more suspicion around on everyone within your vicinity and hoping for a lucky hit. Big difference between "generating discussion" and "lets see where this dart lands". You're playing darts, I'm playing Connect Four. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On May 17 2011 13:05 chaoser wrote: While pressuring is pretty much the best way right now to go about getting people to talk, it's not really pressure when you try to work 4 different people at the same time. Information doesn't come out of that, confusion and multiple people responding to that fingering pointing does. Oops lolol I wrote this up, went to boil some water for tea, and forgot to post lol Yes, but I've not been doing it at the same time. I pressured Node, and got a reaction: Two people also pressured him, and for the most part people didn't have that big of a problem with it. Node disappeared. I moved on. I called caller out on some stuff, and then pressured Mr.Wiggles. People started getting angry about the finger pointing. That's a reaction. I gained information from it. This makes me think that the mafia are getting uncomfortable with the finger pointing that's going on. Am I wrong? | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 17 2011 13:17 Kavdragon wrote: Yes, but I've not been doing it at the same time. I pressured Node, and got a reaction: Two people also pressured him, and for the most part people didn't have that big of a problem with it. Node disappeared. I moved on. I called caller out on some stuff, and then pressured Mr.Wiggles. People started getting angry about the finger pointing. That's a reaction. I gained information from it. This makes me think that the mafia are getting uncomfortable with the finger pointing that's going on. Am I wrong? Random finger pointing is better for mafia than town, since it obscures legitimate arguments/reads and generally raises hell. I'd rather not do the mafia's job for them. I'd prefer a concentrated argument with logic behind it to four random accusations with no reasoning. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
You know who likes to do that? Scum. Under the basis of "scumhunting" by pointing fingers everywhere and hoping a band wagon forms. Checkmate. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On May 17 2011 13:21 Ace wrote: What chaoser is saying I think, is that if you go around trying to press everyone it's no longer really pressure. None of the cases are strong and you're trying to get reactions out of things that aren't a basis for reaction. So when people read the thread all they see is you throwing mass FoS around. You know who likes to do that? Scum. Under the basis of "scumhunting" by pointing fingers everywhere and hoping a band wagon forms. Checkmate. I thought you were playing Connect 4? | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:29 Kavdragon wrote: Of course now that you've made me say this my pressure will be less effective... How so, its not like a scum player will just completely ignore you, they'd actually slip up more because their posts would be more scrutinized leaving more chances for slips to be uncovered. If you really believe a tactic is inefficent then dont use it. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:54 Kavdragon wrote: + Show Spoiler + Draft Order: 1. Flamewheel [3][3] 2. Scamp [7][11] 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][1] 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness[1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] 13. KillerSOS[5][11] 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] 18. Original Name[4][6] 19. tnkted [4][12] 20. Chezinu [4][x] 21. Ace [9][11] 22. Kurumi [9][13] 23. Incognito[9][1] 24. Node [9][1] 25. kitaman27 [9][1] Is anyone else still wondering why all the 4's are behind the 5's and 6's? Nostop changing the subject at our current view. + Show Spoiler + The answer lies in how many 4s there are, no need to be dodging | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:53 infinitestory wrote: Oh, speaking of which, I'd actually like to apply some pressure myself. You haven't been posting much, and you suddenly appear to simply bandwagon deconduo. Generally, placeholder votes are put on yourself, by the way; right now, it looks like you're just voting without caring who you're voting for. The lynch is important. It's a reliable way to weed out mafia, given that people vote intelligently. What is your reason for voting deconduo? Do you believe he is mafia? (If not, who are you watching?) Do I think decon is mafia? Probably not, after pulling a post like that. Do I think that there's a decent chance we're going to lynch mafia today if we ignore decon? Nope. Do I think that lynching someone who's either VI or a townie with apparently no role who's lost interest in the game and probably won't contribute much is better than tunneling in on one or two 'suspicious' posts from an active player or one who looks lurk-y now for whatever reason but could hold a helpful role or perk up and contribute more in the next few days? Definitely. Look, I don't ever have much confidence in day 1 lynches. Like ace has said, it just seems like sifting through peoples' posts and emphasizing possible reasons that they *could* be scum. I don't see anything that makes me especially confident that we're on the right track today and I'm pretty clueless so far as well. At best decon is VI and we take him out of the game early and avoid lynching someone green tonight. At best-best mafia is retarded, and decon is a red zombie or something. At worst decon is for some crazy reason lying and actually holds the most useful role in the world but decided to tell us to kill him just for fun. Probably decon actually did have a specific set of roles he wanted to play and he wasn't able to pick any up, so he's not that interested in playing the game. In terms of people I think are scummy, I think caller and chez have been posting pretty dumb things, but that's about all I've got  | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Now I have no idea if copy cat went to mafia this time, but it certainly did last time I played. For the same reason I would be against lynching Scamp. He is number 2 pick, he is bound to have a sick role. If we give that role to the copy cat, we just end up with a sick role in an unknown position. I agree scamp is suspicious, but we will have to deal with him another day. Third, it helps us absolutely nothing to have ~10 suspects day 1. We won't get any information from being spread out like this, list checkers won't have anything to work with, and no one feels pressured. Not to mention with a multitude of targets, scum is going to pick who is going to get lynched, simple as. We don't need new suspects with every post, sorry to use you as an example GM, but you post you will have a look at KillerSOS, and 10 minutes later you have a finished analysis dubbing him scum. Next on your list is Dreamflower. Do you expect to nail the whole freaking team half a day into day 1? Have a look at the voting thread. So far we have: + Show Spoiler [current votes] + Incognito: 3 Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness deconduo: 3 kitaman27, Node, Eiii chaoser: 2 bumatlarge, incognito cheznu: 1 Fishball GMarshal: 1 chaoser Fishball: 1 kurumi KillerSoS: 1 GMarshal Mr.Wiggles: 1 Kavdragon scamp: 1 deconduo 9 targets in total. 6 people with 1 vote. Now I'm sure all of you have an excellent reason for why exactly your target is scum, but it clearly isn't convincing to the rest of us. So will you please consider joining one of the other targets? I don't want to limit discussion, and if you find someone obvious scum by all means go for it, but the way this is heading we won't get much useful information going into day 2. The three leading targets is incognito, deconduo and chaoser. Of the three I'm the least inclined to vote for deconduo for the reasons stated above. Chaoser has been dropping a bunch of one liners despite claiming to be busy. Yet the votes on incognito are the most convincing, I doubt both Ace and Foolishness would be mafia for balance purposes. I'd like to hear a better reasoning for incognitos votes than "I brought up the vote rigger combo idea, hence I must be town". Lastly I could be convinced to a policy lynch on cheznu. Whatever role he have, I'm sure it would disappoint the Copy Cat. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
It's not Killer_SOS or KillerSoS It's KillerSOS. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
I also believe that the thief is not an active role in this game. Due to the way the numbers turned out, it is likely that the mafia got enough top spots that they don’t need to steal roles. Also now that I’ve read Radfield’s posts (yes, I ignored them before), he’s likely town. But he’s still useless and so should be ignored. I repeat, Inventor should hand out a vote checking kit. This is by far better than bulletproof vests, bulletproof kits, or gunpowder detectors. Deconduo's vote actually makes sense. Stop trying to kill him. It is clear that some people are trying to push a sort of policy lynch. Please stop knee-jerk reacting and think for a moment before trying to lop off my head. Contrary to popular belief, mafia really have no reason to point fingers everywhere. Unless one of their own candidates is leading the vote and they desperately need an alternative. Really its up to the town to figure out the first lynch, so mafia could care less if town doesn't have any leads. Mafia is unlikely to have picked copycat, as thief is far superior. So really there's no reason to save Scamp if you think he's red. Which, makes sense if you read his posts. | ||
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