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On April 12 2011 22:16 TranceStorm wrote:
I'm only starting read through all of what I missed last night, but having a medic list in my opinion is not very helpful. Sure, you protect some of the key analyzers of the town, but the mafia can be reasonably sure that their hits will go through and that they don't have to double-up if they target someone. If we don't have a specific 'medic list', mafia will self-guess themselves when picking their targets as the possibility of medic protection will always be there. However, I do agree with the idea of the detective/tracker list as a means of systematically searching through all the players. Since the mafia cannot defend themselves from a search, it does no harm to actively identify which players should be watched/tracked/investigated at night.
A medic/DT/Tracker list may be useful to first timers that received blue roles. They don't necessarily know who has played before nor who has played well. So ya I can see it as being somewhat helpful.
Of course everything is RNGed so it really doesn't matter much if you've played before or not. Right now it's a crap shoot as to who you're protecting tonight as a medic. For all you know as a medic you might be protecting scum. But what I will guarantee you is scum already have an idea who the fuck they want to kill tonight. Whether anybody puts forth a list or not is irrelevant.
I'll put forth a list of people that I know have played more than 1 or 2 games. It might help the new guys in watching to see how to play or in some cases how not to.
1.Jackal58
3. Coagulation
4. GMarshal
5. Pandain
6. GGQ
7. OriginalName
8. Kenpachi
9. ilovejonn
10.Mr. Wiggles
11.chaoser
14.Protactinium
17.Eiii
23.kitaman27
24.bumatlarge
26.DarthThienAn
27.DoctorHelvetica
28.darmousseh
31.Barundar
38.aidnai
I'm not assigning any value or worth to anybody on the list. All I'm saying is they've all played numerous games. And there may be some others I'm not familiar with or some that are smurfing.
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On April 12 2011 22:38 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 18:51 Jackal58 wrote:
Tackster is most likely scum too. Or whoever replaces him.
Ummm... about that...
The clues all point to you man.
Did you replace Tack? Sorry if there was a post. I missed it.
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On April 12 2011 22:59 Mig wrote:I believe BB said earlier pandain had dropped out and was in the process of being replaced.
Oh whoops I missed that.
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On April 12 2011 23:20 Serejai wrote:
Can a mod please help me with the game objective? I thought we were supposed to kill mafia or assassins but the mayor is killing town instead
Don't complain, we want them to kill town so they don't lynch us. We talked over this yesterday, remember?
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On April 12 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 22:38 CubEdIn wrote:On April 12 2011 18:51 Jackal58 wrote:
Tackster is most likely scum too. Or whoever replaces him.
Ummm... about that... The clues all point to you man. Did you replace Tack? Sorry if there was a post. I missed it.
Not yet, but BB asked and I said yes, I'm guessing I will when he gets back online.
Quite curious myself.
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On April 12 2011 23:34 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:On April 12 2011 22:38 CubEdIn wrote:On April 12 2011 18:51 Jackal58 wrote:
Tackster is most likely scum too. Or whoever replaces him.
Ummm... about that... The clues all point to you man. Did you replace Tack? Sorry if there was a post. I missed it. Not yet, but BB asked and I said yes, I'm guessing I will when he gets back online. Quite curious myself.
So you haven't gotten your role PM yet? Just want to know if what you say is relevant for analysis.
And can people PLEASE put a [ spoiler] [ /spoiler] around big posts if they want to quote them. It's annoying to scroll down for ages to get to one line of content.
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CubedIn is replacing Tackster.
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On April 12 2011 23:34 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:On April 12 2011 22:38 CubEdIn wrote:On April 12 2011 18:51 Jackal58 wrote:
Tackster is most likely scum too. Or whoever replaces him.
Ummm... about that... The clues all point to you man. Did you replace Tack? Sorry if there was a post. I missed it. Not yet, but BB asked and I said yes, I'm guessing I will when he gets back online. Quite curious myself.
Sweet. Welcome aboard.
HEY EVERYBODY!!! IF CUBEDIN IS SCUM LYNCH HIM LAST SO I CAN CALL HIM SCUM EVERY SINGLE TIME HE POSTS!!!!!!!
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Awesome. Now all we need is iGrok to swap in for one of my other scumbuddy's and the famed Insane Mafia 2 police team is back worket together once more!
ON, can't you suddenly be inable to play so iGrok can swap in or something?
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Who forgot to lock the asylum last night?
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Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction.
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Well shit. Found out at work today that I'm going on some health and safety course bullshit starting friday. Will be away from my computer for an extended time. Shall be attempting to keep following the thread and posting, but you'll probably have to replace me some point during that week.
Many apologies for this. It may not even matter though - may always get shot before friday morning I guess.
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I'm going to point out that "did the mafia get me elected to kill kav, or because they couldn't stop me is wifom"
I agree that bum is making some solid points and actualy hunting scum, which is what we need. I think his focus might be missplaced, but if it gets discussion going I'm willing to weather any and all accussations.
Because I know its coming, yes I did contradict myself a lot, I do that often, I doubt myself a lot, its something I'm working on fixing in my play. however you'll notice that when I decide to take a stance I stand firm, like my conviction that AO is scum, I still think he is.
However if you guys want to lynch me I'll understand, my play hasn't been stellar and my binge of posting while drunk and angry isn't helping matters.
Oh, and chaoser I went for AO because I felt his posts were legitimately scummy as opposed to ON's which felt more like a bored townie to me. However if you feel strongly that ON is scum (and your case against him looks good) then I am willing to go along with it.
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EBWODP: Also Dr.H I thought it was your policy not to post at night?
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No, I'm not scum, and it will be pretty easy to tell, since my town game is so pro town it hurts town!
I'll get to readin' 'dem 50-or-so pages more carefully and get in touch with what's down.
So far, I'd like to say that we should not discuss DT checks so openly, let the guys do their jobs, and also, lol @ day 1 lynch.
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On April 13 2011 01:15 GMarshal wrote:
EBWODP: Also Dr.H I thought it was your policy not to post at night?
I felt the need to. This isn't really going to affect who the scum hit, they can't hit me, they can't do anything to me, and it shouldn't really alter their opinions on anyone else. If Bumatlarge is spot on with his analysis, they're wary of him regardless of whether or not I say he's great.
I think this will be pretty much non-effectual. I'll never make a lynch case/scum case at night though.
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On April 13 2011 01:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 01:15 GMarshal wrote:
EBWODP: Also Dr.H I thought it was your policy not to post at night? I felt the need to. This isn't really going to affect who the scum hit, they can't hit me, they can't do anything to me, and it shouldn't really alter their opinions on anyone else. If Bumatlarge is spot on with his analysis, they're wary of him regardless of whether or not I say he's great. I think this will be pretty much non-effectual. I'll never make a lynch case/scum case at night though.
Fair enough, I was just wondering.
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On April 13 2011 01:16 CubEdIn wrote:No, I'm not scum, and it will be pretty easy to tell, since my town game is so pro town it hurts town! I'll get to readin' 'dem 50-or-so pages more carefully and get in touch with what's down. So far, I'd like to say that we should not discuss DT checks so openly, let the guys do their jobs, and also, lol @ day 1 lynch.
Requesting scum hit so I can ask "Who shot Mr.Burns?"
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On April 13 2011 01:13 GMarshal wrote:
I'm going to point out that "did the mafia get me elected to kill kav, or because they couldn't stop me is wifom"
I agree that bum is making some solid points and actualy hunting scum, which is what we need. I think his focus might be missplaced, but if it gets discussion going I'm willing to weather any and all accussations.
Because I know its coming, yes I did contradict myself a lot, I do that often, I doubt myself a lot, its something I'm working on fixing in my play. however you'll notice that when I decide to take a stance I stand firm, like my conviction that AO is scum, I still think he is.
However if you guys want to lynch me I'll understand, my play hasn't been stellar and my binge of posting while drunk and angry isn't helping matters.
Oh, and chaoser I went for AO because I felt his posts were legitimately scummy as opposed to ON's which felt more like a bored townie to me. However if you feel strongly that ON is scum (and your case against him looks good) then I am willing to go along with it.
Well sure it's WIFOM, it's impossible to know what they were thinking. But you can't win mafia without making guesses about what people are thinking or trying to read into it/figure out scum plans. It's something I need to think about, regardless. I don't think it'll hurt to share whats on my mind right now.
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We got any Maggies in the game?
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