On April 12 2011 15:02 bumatlarge wrote: Ok First off let me get this out of the way. Reading through, I was pretty certain Kav and kitaman were town. I felt they were obvious mayor picks over the competition. Dr. H is playing really aggressively, and I am not convinced that is that helpful for town after everyone including scum agreed that we need a leader-ish thing. Dr.H will lead to a lot of clashing, but whats done is done, so Im going to ignore that Kav was lynched, pretend it never happened.
GMarshal and chaoser are scum. I will try to get the analysis done tonight, but I defintely won't be including recent events, as I'm not halfway through the thread. Prot should never have been considered for mayoral position since in no way shape or form is he ever going to fufill a leader/analysis role. Catastrophe waiting to happen. He could be scum, but let assasins hit him, it destroys the normal KP that would be happening, and it gives town such an advantage that it never would have had til later. Knowing who is throwing KP around gives very solid trails. Every PYP game will show you that.
Im probably repeating what somebody already said, so you can ignore that. I am absolutely baffled at how you let GMarshal get pardoner, it blows my mind. Have you read his posts? The wishiest washiest "This is what this guy said, this is what I agree with and points on what happening BLAHBLAHBLAH" Nonsense posts. Haven't found a single useful one. Town meta my ass. He's scum. Chaoser same thing. You can't even start an arguement that they both ran for mayor. Go look at pages 15-25 and how many time chaoser switches his votes around. There is no reason to do any of that so early since mayor picks are usually whims anyway. It just causes confusion.
I guess you haven't read all of the thread...I've been calling GM scum for a while now. I was even one of the last few votes to push him out of mayor seat. If he is scum he just have to lynch him before he can effectively lose his pardon. I switched from Prot I think to Myself back to Prot in the beginning
Have you analyzed him yet? Given something that town can be convinced of that he is scum? Or have you just "accused" him. Last game, I blatantly stated orgolove was mafia, and RoL was the first person to agree with me. RoL was scum. Just sit tight choaser, and get your frownie face emoticons ready.
On April 12 2011 15:02 bumatlarge wrote: Ok First off let me get this out of the way. Reading through, I was pretty certain Kav and kitaman were town. I felt they were obvious mayor picks over the competition. Dr. H is playing really aggressively, and I am not convinced that is that helpful for town after everyone including scum agreed that we need a leader-ish thing. Dr.H will lead to a lot of clashing, but whats done is done, so Im going to ignore that Kav was lynched, pretend it never happened.
GMarshal and chaoser are scum. I will try to get the analysis done tonight, but I defintely won't be including recent events, as I'm not halfway through the thread. Prot should never have been considered for mayoral position since in no way shape or form is he ever going to fufill a leader/analysis role. Catastrophe waiting to happen. He could be scum, but let assasins hit him, it destroys the normal KP that would be happening, and it gives town such an advantage that it never would have had til later. Knowing who is throwing KP around gives very solid trails. Every PYP game will show you that.
Im probably repeating what somebody already said, so you can ignore that. I am absolutely baffled at how you let GMarshal get pardoner, it blows my mind. Have you read his posts? The wishiest washiest "This is what this guy said, this is what I agree with and points on what happening BLAHBLAHBLAH" Nonsense posts. Haven't found a single useful one. Town meta my ass. He's scum. Chaoser same thing. You can't even start an arguement that they both ran for mayor. Go look at pages 15-25 and how many time chaoser switches his votes around. There is no reason to do any of that so early since mayor picks are usually whims anyway. It just causes confusion.
I guess you haven't read all of the thread...I've been calling GM scum for a while now. I was even one of the last few votes to push him out of mayor seat. If he is scum he just have to lynch him before he can effectively lose his pardon. I switched from Prot I think to Myself back to Prot in the beginning
Have you analyzed him yet? Given something that town can be convinced of that he is scum? Or have you just "accused" him. Last game, I blatantly stated orgolove was mafia, and RoL was the first person to agree with me. RoL was scum. Just sit tight choaser, and get your frownie face emoticons ready.
I guess I'll twiddle my thumbs too? I actually have analyzed him to a certain degree. I stated that the people voting for him are the ones he's threatening to lynch but in the end he chose AirbladeOrange. He said that he was very sure ON was mafia and would lynch him in the beginning but then picked on AO instead. I've already written somewhat on the fact that I think ON is mafia so this sent off big warnings for me. I also said that his play style is different from what it was last game but slightly different which makes me think he is mafia since it's a forced difference. If I was mafia there's no reason for me to make last minute moves on him and also to come down so strongly on him. Read the last few pages, I've been pretty much all over him.
On April 12 2011 15:09 bumatlarge wrote: Have you analyzed him yet? Given something that town can be convinced of that he is scum? Or have you just "accused" him. Last game, I blatantly stated orgolove was mafia, and RoL was the first person to agree with me. RoL was scum. Just sit tight choaser, and get your frownie face emoticons ready.
BTW, I haven't been wishy washy with my votes.
On April 11 2011 02:39 chaoser wrote: ##vote: Prot
On April 12 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote: ##unvote Prot ##Vote DrH
My only two votes in the voting thread. I think I said I would vote myself once between these two but I didn't even actually do it. So yeah. Getting on ON PbP now
Hey guys how's it going? Can I get you anything to drink? Or perhaps you'd like some appetizers. I've got some all caps posting which is always a great way to start things off. Our special this evening is misslynched townie cooked with flame wars and seasoned with ad hominem attacks. This comes with our choice thread spam. For drinks I can offer you our excellent "mayoral madness mojito" if that's not up your ally I also have "pardoner's perfect piña colada." For desert I've got our delectable "assassin's angel food cake." So folks what'll it be?
I'm going to focus on how GM goes about the first day, as I feel that it's the clearest indication of his play and his meta.
On April 10 2011 03:01 GMarshal wrote: Ok, my thoughts on this: I actualy seriously considered the possibility of lynching the pardoner as the day one lynch, but then I realized something, the Pardoner is more pro-town a role than it at first seems. Why? Because its the only person who can singlehandedly shut down a scummy last minute vote switch, where all the scum switch over to their preferred target, and potentially win the game. Also, as long as the pardoner is level headed he'll save his power for a situation where its obviously beneficial to the town (e.g. save a player who is obviously town from a sudden and unexpected wagon).
As to the day 1 lynch, I think a lurker is absolutely 100% the best call, I've said it before, I *hate* lurkers, they make the endgame hellish. The benefit of having the mayor lead that lynch is that its almost entirely immune to scum influence, since (if we voted right) the mayor will be pro town.
Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier.
but if this happens we immediately cast suspicion on the pardoner and the mayor, so in that sense we force the scum to walk a dangerous line, if they snipe the bg too quickly then we know that one of them is the mayor or pardoner, if they leave them then they are leaving a powerful role in play in the form of the mayor or the pardoner
GM immediately establishes himself as a policy person, which is understandable. I can't really consider this post scummy alone. He talks about relevant things early in the game, but it's way too forced. Paragraphs to explain simple ideas. Pardoners are strong but they can be pro-town, being able to do exactly what their role entails. Bam first paragraph done. Lurkers are the best lynch.
Last part is so WIFOMy. I find if you come across something that leads to WIFOM, the best course of action is describe the situation and how it leads to WIFOM, and then drop it until it rears its ugly head in the game. Gmarshal is setting it in stone. No good.
Also Kav, my comment about waiting till day 1 to plan and do crap was more out of frustration at the wait than anything else
Ha, mock frustration, this one line is worse then everything he said before. Kav is already on board. In fact let me show you what GM's post should have been.
On April 09 2011 08:57 OriginalName wrote: So broskis whats the plan?
Wait till Day1 and then start actually being able to plan and do crap...
I disagree on the basis of your argument for talking at night.
Also, once the day does start, chances are the discussion will be taken over by mayoral discussions. Let's use this time that we are forced not to talk about the other conversation starter:
Do we lynch an inactive day one?
My thoughts: I think that we should lynch an inactive. People who are active can actually be read/analyzed later on, but inactives will always be an there in the back of our mind. This also pressures inactive players to become more active.
Since we have a pardoner and traditionally Day one lynches are wrong, do we want to lynch day one?
My thoughts: The pardoner only gets to pardon one lynch and while I've never played with a pardoner before, I don't think that that power should be use that lightly. In addition, not lynching on day one takes away our ability to pressure people.
Straightforward. Even though I disagree with things, this is so easy to respond to. I think we should lynch a lurker rather then an inactive Kav. I see your point on the pardoner Kav. DONE AND DONE. You really lynched Kav?
But let me continue, Gmarshal could have gotten unlucky, he didn't know how to put those words out properly.
On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier.
This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment.
This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying.
So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful.
It reminds me of when I would get assigned a 500-word-essay in elementary school, and I'd do my best to say as much as possible while repeating the same idea different ways. If anyone does not see the evidence here, please inform me so I can clarify. I will do it with everyone of GM's posts if I have to.
On April 10 2011 04:02 GMarshal wrote: wow, that was a mess of a post. What I intended to say was that assassins will not necessarily act anti-town but they certainly wont act to pro town either, as they want to both avoid being lynched and avoid being killed by the mafia. The only occasion where I expect to see an extremely pro town Assassin if if one tries to grab the mayorship/pardoner.
Seeing these posts as well does not win me over in the "Gm is obvious town" department. It seems fairly clear that GM is well aware of what he is doing.
On April 10 2011 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kavdragon is saying a lot of useless bullshit trying to appear protown and basically his posts are this:
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obviously no mafia would say THIS much "pro-town" stuff that everyone already knows amirite ;o????
i'm not buying it. you did this same thing in pokemafia which i hosted
I don't mean to divert, but are you serious Dr.H? You've defintely been reading Kav's posts, but I find it hard to believe you missed GM's. Massive FoS Doctor Mayor. This only helps my case.
On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier.
This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment.
This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying.
So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful.
what happens if the mafia doesn't run
Then its a win/win situation for us, mafia just gave up a shot at two really, really useful roles. I'm having a hard time envisioning a scenario where the scumteam dosn't run for mayorship. If for nothing else, if they get a guy up there he is DT proof for a while and they get the names of the BGs
recall what I said about how town should approach WIFOM. Textbook.
Running For Mayor
I'm not going to be accusing anyone based on the fact that they ran for mayor. I did that before when I was scum. Easiest mislynch ever. But of course I will focus on how they did it! Let's rip this to pieces.
On April 10 2011 11:39 GMarshal wrote: I died, and I came back, now I'm changed, I live, but only destroy the enemies of the town tremble mafia for GM is here to destroy you
Now, I know there are going to be plenty of other candidates running on platforms of cookies and puppies and flowers and even cats in tophats and monocles. Unfortunately I'm not going to offer you cookies or cats in tophats and monocles, only dead scum, swinging, swinging from a tree.
Now why would you vote for GMarshal?
Cute, if you ended your campaign there, I would have dropped my entire argument. Seriously, but you didn't. You need to TRY to be mayor, but you don't need to be mayor. Let's see why that matters.
1.) I am the most pro-town player, just look at my play, I do nothing but help town, scumhunt and make the town think. My death in insane was the crumbling point that lead to scum and stupid townies getting Tack lynched. You guys will have no issue seeing if I am town, as if I am I will be posting every five minutes or so, at the very least to berate inactives. If I'm not playing my townie style then by all means hang me.
Hardly a fair argument GM, your only mafia play was in Death Factory, which is not right to include, no offense to Ace.
2.) Despite the fiasco of XXXVII, I am a decent scum hunter, I died in insane because I had 3/6 scum pegged day 1. I fully intend to analyze the scum team into the ground. I might not be Ver, but I'll do my damndest to kill scum. If you've watched me play at all you know I'll stand by my convictions, even if I am the only townie doing so.
Not that I disagree, but you've stated your point from #1 on how you're always town, and when you are mafia, you sit there quiet and wait for town to lynch you. I don't see much difference here, because every townie should be doing this anyway, but you need to remind us of it. Very well, I am reminded of a townie's purpose.
3.) I know what I am going to do with my lynch, Im going to use it on the most inactive/lurking player around to make an example, the best part of this is that unlike regular inactive lynches this one is 100% guaranteed to be scum influence free
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Because of what we concluded from points 1 and 2! Basic assumptions that are assumed. Oh dear that sentence was useless, hope no one notices that the previous sentence was useless like this useless sentence.
4.) Inactives I am going to kill inactive with fiery vengeance, inactives are one of the number one reasons town loses, people who don't post because being a townie is “boring” and allow scum to hide in their midst. Not this game. Not on my watch.
Leave this point out next time it overlaps with #3.
5.) Policy. I'm not going to tolerate any plans that rely on “trust me guys, I'm pro” or “my gut is why you should lynch Qatol!” and I'm going to lynch players who try to make arguments into mudslinging fests that allow scum to happily hide under the spam (See Insane mafia 2). So if you want to make an argument, do so with good points, analysis and in a respectful manner, or I will either ignore you, or make sure you get lynched.
You've made your Policy policy apparent, you're just explaining what it is to have a policy.
6.) Plans and town direction. The lack of PMs this game means that many plans that rely on circles and claims dont work. However that dosn't mean we can't think about the roles we have at our disposal. For example we have watchers, trackers and DT's thats three different information roles that from day 1 should be threatening scum. “Threatening scum” you ask “dont you mean catching scum?”. Well yes and no. Detectives should most certainly be checking players who are playing off their usual meta and players who they think are acting scummy, but not enough to be called out on, however be aware that with the presence of a godfather nothing is certain. Watchers need to watch whoever they think are going to be hit. Watchers should think of themselves as medics who catch scum, instead of protecting the person, so if you think someone is a target then watch them. Trackers should track who you think is likely scum, if they visit a someone and they die, you know you got something, if they visit and someone dosn't die then you probably have a blue or a mafia roleblocker. if you vote for me I can keep giving us this type of direction, including lists of who I think needs to be Dted, Vigied, Med protected, etc. Im going to do this regardless of whether I am elected or not, but if I'm dead my ability to post helpful lists is going to be greatly diminished
This should have been your first post in the game. Make sure you do that next time GM, so you can beat everyone to that particular punchline, so it actually looks like you are town.
7.) I don’t lie, ever, I may perform gambits, but I don’t lie (with the exception of about my role, I do reserve the right to tell blatant untruths about that), and I endorse the LaL policy, in fact if I am mayor I’ll make sure we follow it as much as possible.
Awful policy. Vets have already explained how wrong LaL is, and I should know considering I am going to host a game named after it.
8.) I'm an easy read, you want me as mayor because frankly it doesn't matter if you can role check me or not, you can just look at my posts and say “town” or “scum”. Unlike other players who play a really good game as mafia, I am obviously scum when I am scum and obviously town when I am town. This means that the fact that I cannot be Dted as mayor is irrelevant
It's so blatant, at least someone call GM out on repeating what not only everyone else has said, but what he has said. Maybe they have already? Guess I should finish the thread...
9.) I'm GMarshal, the towniest townie and I'm here from beyond the grave to kick the mafia teams ass for killing me in insane
:/ leave out 1-8 and use this as your campaign next time.
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Ok, lets compare this to Kav the townie!
On April 10 2011 12:03 Kavdragon wrote: I would also like to announce my campaign for mayor. I didn't write up anything fancy this game for my platform, nor will I copy-past it from a previous game.
I offer the experience that I have gained from previously being mayor.
I offer strong leadership, something that already demonstrated in XXXVI, but I have worked on and further improved on since then.
I offer my skills as an analyst. My analysis in XXXVI was key to the town's victory, and while I have not had the chance to demonstrate it since then, I have been talking with veteran players (Ver, BC, and Foolishness) constantly since then about how I can improve my play, and analysis.
I will be offering my ideas, opinions, and thoughts openly to make my alignment clear to the town.
I offer victory for the town.
Vote for Kav!
Completely different approach from usual Kav. But what is hilarious is he has said everything GM stated and more. I almost can't stop myself on droning on about Kav being lynched. In fact, I couldn't. I DIDNT EVEN KNOW MY ALIGNMENT YET. God people. Gm is scum. Dr.H's play SO FAR has been completely unimpressive and damning for both GM and dr.H.
I may have confused chaoser and Dr.H before, I need to go back and see what I read, because Chaoser was switching his In-thread vote (not the on in the vote thread) and it seemed too off-key for me, but Dr.H is so much more apparent.
On April 10 2011 13:33 OriginalName wrote: Well GMarshal you actually put forward an agreeable plan.
Lynching inactives LURKERS Great idea unless you have a really obvious and active scum day 1 (Which I would not discount with so many newbies).
My really base reads right now are GMarshal is town. Ive been on a scumteam with him he has more holes than swiss cheese.
However as a mayor I would like to know what his plans are after Day 1 as lets face it D1 lynch is a damn crapshoot 80% of the time and when I vote I want more long term goals and ideas in mind Im not amazing at reads however if people do put forward them I will take the time to look at their scum reads.
Another thing - one thing I picked up from a vet and I think we ought to start doing is analysing tge posts of those nightkilled. Imagine if we looked at GMs reads in insane 2 GF may have been outed faster creating a completely different game (ie Blacks wouldnt have made enough money for the names).
So there ##Vote Gmarshal and all dat jazz.
He gives super shitty reasoning to voting GM, basically saying he'd vote for him cause GM said he would lynch lurkers. He asks GM what GM's plans are for the future, GM doesn't really ever address it and then ON never mentions it ever again.
Interesting enough, he votes for GM hours after this post
On April 11 2011 06:07 OriginalName wrote: ##Vote Gmarshal
Just before this post, however, Prot did his ballsy move of claiming Assassin and running for office. But ON doesn't respond to it or acknowledges it even though it was a mere 15 minutes before his post when it was the talk of the town. (Prot claimed at 13:18)
On April 11 2011 06:03 OriginalName wrote: Back from RL issues.
Im gonna recap to myself what happened along wkth opinions
Protact getting support - Why is near confirmed non town getting an elected role.
PANDAIN CLAIMING DT - What. The. Fuck. Was my first reaction. my second how do we know hes not lying. Sure theres no counterclaim but who would counterclaim D1 DT, theres likely more than one so how would we know yatta yatta add in wifom done mafia has a free dt kill D1 we get no breadcrumbs. Second its completely safe for panda to claim DT as scum. Scumteam elects him as Godfather and even if DT checks and confirms its like DF all over again (minus the D2 victory).
How has Pandain only gotten the your an idiot reaction- Hes just abusing his metagame to fuck with town FOS Pandain
Im goin to keep my vote on GM cause as wishy washy as people are making him out to be hes still quite protown.
He repeats the exact same thing that's been said multiple times by people, picking two of the easiest topics to talk about. Doesn't look at Kav, kita, or fully at GM.
Im goin to keep my vote on GM cause as wishy washy as people are making him out to be hes still quite protown
He even continues to say that GM is wishy washy but he's still protown
On April 11 2011 06:58 OriginalName wrote: My scum reads: Pandain - Fakeclaim into lolno sorry not DT Protact - Assassin or Mafia Kavs arguement against him is solid
My not sure reads: DrH - Why so aggro bro? Leaning scum Chaoser - Leaning pro town would be imo a great pardoner Everyone not listed (Most leaning town to various degrees)
Town Reads: Kavdragon - This is not his scum style at all GMarshal Tnk
Quoting DrH for this one
On April 11 2011 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: great analysis thx 4 contributing
He says almost nothing that is his own, puts out weak ass one line analysis.
On April 11 2011 09:12 Coagulation wrote: to be fair i would like to see GM as mayor and Doch as pardoner.
Thanks for being sane Coag ^_^
Also redFF the reason im restating something is because SOME PEOPLE *cough* are not getting the picture Protact and scumhunt his ass off and I wouldnt get an honest shit about most of his opinions, and neither should you.
Im merely picking THE ONE CANDIDATE that is actually feasable in my mind. Kav just has too much heat on him to deserve 2 bodyguards at this point.
DrH i have my worries towards but in my mind hes still a better choice for a pardoner then an Assassin, do note ASSASSINS ARE NOT TOWN I dont care if he decides that he cant backstab us HES NOT TOWN, he could be fakeclaiming red to try to get into an advantagous position what does that mean HES STILL NOT TOWN!
a TOWNIE MAYOR is better than a NON-TOWNIE MAYOR
Pleas go back and note the difference between TOWN and NON-TOWN (ie SCUM).
Clearly says he did not read/care much for Protact's posts. Still doesn't give solid reasons why GM is feasible in his mind.
On April 12 2011 14:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me.
But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is.
Dont worry man there'll be some good surprises for us. Let's get this game started.
And I still believe you are innocent because mafia would never have dared attempt that in the first place. Anyone who suspects him for that flip should heavily consider that.
Thats total WIFOM Mafia could expect that and go for a really ballsy move to kill off a very pro-town player
Counter argues that his point is WIFOM by saying the argument against him is...WIFOM. Very much against DrH and all over him.
On April 12 2011 14:22 OriginalName wrote: i hate WIFOM as much as the next guy but really when you kill somebody who made an arguement against you it doesnt help you much.
Also im sorry for my conduct earlier Im kinda biased towards kav from Insane 2 and figured the two styles just didnt line up for me to consider him scum but I still shouldnt of raged like that.
Im still on the fence about you but really dont go balls to the walls on what can be valuble town assets as mayor next time.
Backs off when the heat comes on.
Two things are suspicious to me. 1) He bounced when Prot's post came on, waited till later to respond to it 2) Never gives good reasons to vote GM 3) Repeats things others have been saying
This combined with my uneasiness with GM and also GM's late change of his lynch target should he have been lynched from ON to AO makes me think he is scum
On April 12 2011 16:09 bumatlarge wrote: My apologies at the moment chaoser. I shouldn't baselessly accuse you by association. I will finish reading the thread now.
Kitaman, Barundar and coagulation are town. Yes?
I most certainly am, and I believe GM is too. He has posted tons of stupid shit, but nothing I would call anti town. I disagreed with the majority of his reads, but that's entirely normal for him. Kita would have been my pick for mayor if he had actually made a real campaign instead of the pardoner campaign.
Chaoser could just be a townie misguided by DrH's scare campaign, there must be plenty of them voting for him. Besides he is contributing.
Now, here is who I would have lynched: Conversion
He has barely posted all day. He asked for advice as to DrH's town meta. His reason for voting DrH is just hilarious:
On April 12 2011 09:33 Conversion wrote: Well, I'll be frank. I don't like DocH. He comes off right off the bat as an asshole that was acting aggressively to draw responses, as some of you have stated (kav in particular) in your posts.
However, I am not going to let something so trivial deter my vote. He also taught me something, albeit small, most of you attempting to help have not by pointing out that my defense was not very town-like. I'm very confident that, after reading Doc's posts, DocH is green.
Though I disagree with his first lynch (kav), I feel like a more experienced townie in a mayor position would be more beneficial. I have not been able to read his past games- and no one answered my questions- so I'll take the word from a few of you that DocH actually does have an aggressive town meta in a few of his games.
With that said, ##vote DoctorHelvetica
He votes for DrH albeit "he doesn't like him". He blames his vote on a general opinion, trying to undermine his own credibility. This is a requiring theme from him:
On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote: Didn't most town want proct as pardoner?
Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends...
He gets called out on the post regarding DrH and decides to switch. Again he blames his vote on general town opinion. Typical mafia who need other peoples reasons to justify their actions.
On April 12 2011 13:00 Conversion wrote: Why would mafia bandwagon a nonscum, or assassin, to pardoner? Someone explain this to me?
More questioning to belittle his own influence.
All his posts screams: pay no attention to me, I'm just a quiet person who wants to further towns wishes. Lurker at best and mafia at worst.
What about that Serejai dude. I don't care if he's new, I was new but I never played like that. His posts are hilarious but hardly says anything that helps town.
On April 12 2011 12:48 kitaman27 wrote: GMarshal, you should change your lynch candidate to the most scummy person that votes for Protactinium within the next hour.
Next 11 minutes you mean?
Day post and voting thread says 1am I believe.
OP says midnight!
Mafia adviser wants the day to end an hour early! *Evil glare
I don't think you made enough of a deal about this. BC posts this just as there were a few last minute switches to Protactinium. We had DocH and Marsh very significantly ahead of everyone else before that.
Though thinking about it, it's probably for the best. I think Pandain's town at least, because LaL doesn't apply to him. Mafia hitting him and him popping green would be amazing. Hope I'm not OPZ'n here.
On April 12 2011 14:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me.
But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is.
Dont worry man there'll be some good surprises for us. Let's get this game started.
And I still believe you are innocent because mafia would never have dared attempt that in the first place. Anyone who suspects him for that flip should heavily consider that.
Thats total WIFOM Mafia could expect that and go for a really ballsy move to kill off a very pro-town player
WIFOM works both ways though. So it doesn't help your argument any.
In fact all behavioral analysis is on some level WIFOM. I hate overuse of WIFOM because it discourages people from thinking.
i hate WIFOM as much as the next guy but really when you kill somebody who made an arguement against you it doesnt help you much.
Also im sorry for my conduct earlier Im kinda biased towards kav from Insane 2 and figured the two styles just didnt line up for me to consider him scum but I still shouldnt of raged like that.
Im still on the fence about you but really dont go balls to the walls on what can be valuble town assets as mayor next time.
I'm actually glad I didn't second guess myself. I was wrong but I've spent my entire "scumhunting" career never sticking to my guns and this kind of confidence is going to make me dangerous when I tighten my analysis up, I think.
Since I know I'm town I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me. That is kind of the lynchpin of why I dislike Barundar's posting in this game. I sort of use it as a jjumping point, because I know the mafia want me out of this game.
ummm your scumhunting is going to make you "dangerous" when you "tighten" your analysis up. When are you planning on doing this? cause if i remember correctly you have fos on me as assassin and you couldnt be farther off base.
regarding the second part of your post your basically saying right out the gate "anyone that questions my alignment is automatically scum" while there is some truth to this IF you are indeed town. You managed to state it in the scummiest fucking way possible. I for one will be riding your ass and i will not hesitate to call you out on any bullshit i see. just so you know.
Wow, not really relevant, but I just got a mafia surge. Making that analysis just gave me this new kind of energy. It's like the matrix. Basically had this kind of moment except the fake world is this mafia game. And all these numbers are starting to mesh together. Everyone's play is lol. I am the one.
I am going to stay up all night reading this thread because I actually enjoy this a lot. Thanks guys
Ok up to date with the thread. I stand by my GM analysis. Dr.H is a strong second and I'm going to take up Kav's place in getting him lynched. Hopefully I don't get shot so people can ignore me like they will Kav.
I'm not going to let that happen
BTW Dr.H, lrn2lynch LOL, if you are mafia you are doing a good job. Since GM can just pardon himself, it seems wiser to just get rid of the scum mayor with voting power. If GM pardons him it just assures us we are on the right track.
You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself.
Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate.
Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town.
Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way.
On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote: As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list.
Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet? And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I thought Tack played a really, really solid game in Insane 2 and I'm kind of banking on him doing what he did there and showing up with a massive pro-town post before the day ends.
Is there anyone else you'd like to see included in the list? Anyone who you think is on one of the other lists who dosn't merit it?
I'll be honest with ya man. This is day 1. If you want me to put together a list of who I would like to see at endgame I can do that. Unfortunately probably half of them will be scum. You really called it though. I'm much better at this game after day 2 or 3 than I am at the beginning. But I just don't understand how you can say "Tack played well last game so I hope he does again this game" I agree 100% with you that he played well. Hell I should be more aware of that than anybody. I got him lynched. But that doesn't mean he's town in this game. I have seen nothing from him to evaluate or analyze. Wanting him to have medic protection with the info you have either means you're naive or you know his alignment. And there is only one way you could know his alignment.
I was actually kind of hoping that his name coming up would make him post, but you are right, its a really basless call if you only analyze the stuff going on in this game and don't look at the meta. I would remove him, but if I didn't make mildly controversial calls, well then there wouldn't be much to discuss no would there? ^_^
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