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On April 12 2011 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:It is night. I will now cease posting because I don't like talking at night. I will post this baseline advice once more. Detectives should read this carefully and heed it well. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:yeah im feeling really bad about redFF right now but what purpose doeshe really have to tunnel ON and m0nsterchef so hard if he's mafia. his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD:Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game.But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection!And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. MEDICS Don't protect protact, that's all. WATCHERS - Go for people you think will be hit. If you are a fucking genius and think you can predict the roleblocker then go for that, but stick with that. Pretend you are a medic. TRACKER - Go for people you think are scum. Your job is NOT TO CONFIRM BLUES. Your job is to track scum targets and see if they are implicated in someones death. If a mafia is tracked, will he automatically show up as "visiting" someone who was killed? Can you elaborate as MUCH as possible on how mafia kills are determined?
One mafia will visit each of the targets they kill. Roleblockers will visit who they roleblock.
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On April 12 2011 14:38 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:It is night. I will now cease posting because I don't like talking at night. I will post this baseline advice once more. Detectives should read this carefully and heed it well. On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:yeah im feeling really bad about redFF right now but what purpose doeshe really have to tunnel ON and m0nsterchef so hard if he's mafia. his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD:Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game.But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection!And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. MEDICS Don't protect protact, that's all. WATCHERS - Go for people you think will be hit. If you are a fucking genius and think you can predict the roleblocker then go for that, but stick with that. Pretend you are a medic. TRACKER - Go for people you think are scum. Your job is NOT TO CONFIRM BLUES. Your job is to track scum targets and see if they are implicated in someones death. If a mafia is tracked, will he automatically show up as "visiting" someone who was killed? Can you elaborate as MUCH as possible on how mafia kills are determined? One mafia will visit each of the targets they kill. Roleblockers will visit who they roleblock.
So that means there are a certain amount of mafia who are "idle" at night correct?
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This is why im mad
there are 2 possible scenarios
1. Doch is scum = we are fucked regardless.
2. Doch is not scum = He mad a bad lynch against the majority of towns advice (I did everything short of beg him not to lynch kav) Now he has set himself up in a position where town doesnt trust him and mafia are going to capitalize on this. Essentially Doch is going to be made the MAIN DISCUSSION POINT NOW by scum and thats gonna divert town from scumhunting.
Both scenarios are terrible for town. fuck kav why.
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I don't know what Kav was doing. That's not his normal town play. If he was town he should have stuck with gmarshal, but I guess he really believes that DrH is mafia.
As a rule, I believe that we should make sure we are never in a situation where the mayor (if he is scum) can snipe the vote and sac himself in order to win.
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LOL Im reading through thread and I was going to post some early thoughts quick but I got curious and saw Kav got lynched. Guess I'll have to single-handedly save town. Up to page 26.
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On April 12 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So that means there are a certain amount of mafia who are "idle" at night correct?
Depending on the situation, yes, it is possible that some mafia might be "idle" at night.
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On April 12 2011 14:29 kitaman27 wrote:
chaoser, why hide your intentions to support DrH in a last second vote?
I didn't hide anything. I said I would vote Prot. You can see that I was slowly getting more and more suspicious of GM as the day went on. His play style is considerably different from what I know of him. It's not like it's a complete change either, it's just slight changes that are more what mafia would do. I'm not sure yet if he is or not but he's on my FoS screen for sure. I changed because I was less suspicious of DrH when compared to GM. Also I knew that Prot would have wanted me to vote DrH anyway cause he feels the exact same way about GM as I do. ON should have been lynched. GM switching to AirBladeOrange in case he got mayor sends off all kinds of scum bells. I'm going to do a PbP of ON soon and I hope to see him lynched tomorrow.
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On April 12 2011 14:44 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:29 kitaman27 wrote:
chaoser, why hide your intentions to support DrH in a last second vote? I didn't hide anything. I said I would vote Prot. You can see that I was slowly getting more and more suspicious of GM as the day went on. His play style is considerably different from what I know of him. It's not like it's a complete change either, it's just slight changes that are more what mafia would do. I'm not sure yet if he is or not but he's on my FoS screen for sure. I changed because I was less suspicious of DrH when compared to GM. Also I knew that Prot would have wanted me to vote DrH anyway cause he feels the exact same way about GM as I do. ON should have been lynched. GM switching to AirBladeOrange in case he got mayor sends off all kinds of scum bells. I'm going to do a PbP of ON soon and I hope to see him lynched tomorrow.
BTW, before anyone goes omg how you know what he was thinking?! It's in his fucking posts everywhere. He clearly trusts DrH more than GM, as do I.
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On April 12 2011 14:44 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:29 kitaman27 wrote:
chaoser, why hide your intentions to support DrH in a last second vote? I didn't hide anything. I said I would vote Prot. You can see that I was slowly getting more and more suspicious of GM as the day went on. His play style is considerably different from what I know of him. It's not like it's a complete change either, it's just slight changes that are more what mafia would do. I'm not sure yet if he is or not but he's on my FoS screen for sure. I changed because I was less suspicious of DrH when compared to GM. Also I knew that Prot would have wanted me to vote DrH anyway cause he feels the exact same way about GM as I do. ON should have been lynched. GM switching to AirBladeOrange in case he got mayor sends off all kinds of scum bells. I'm going to do a PbP of ON soon and I hope to see him lynched tomorrow.
how could you support a day 1 kav lynch. It just baffles me how you could be town and be OK with that.
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On April 12 2011 14:50 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:44 chaoser wrote:On April 12 2011 14:29 kitaman27 wrote:
chaoser, why hide your intentions to support DrH in a last second vote? I didn't hide anything. I said I would vote Prot. You can see that I was slowly getting more and more suspicious of GM as the day went on. His play style is considerably different from what I know of him. It's not like it's a complete change either, it's just slight changes that are more what mafia would do. I'm not sure yet if he is or not but he's on my FoS screen for sure. I changed because I was less suspicious of DrH when compared to GM. Also I knew that Prot would have wanted me to vote DrH anyway cause he feels the exact same way about GM as I do. ON should have been lynched. GM switching to AirBladeOrange in case he got mayor sends off all kinds of scum bells. I'm going to do a PbP of ON soon and I hope to see him lynched tomorrow. how could you support a day 1 kav lynch. It just baffles me how you could be town and be OK with that.
I wasn't ok with a day 1 kav lynch. I was hoping he wouldn't do it. I'm even less ok with a mafia in mayor position which is why I picked the lesser of two evils.
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I had a town read on marsh all game.
Doch is the only one that made me skeptical with the lynch kav shit.
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On April 12 2011 14:52 Coagulation wrote:
I had a town read on marsh all game.
Doch is the only one that made me skeptical with the lynch kav shit.
A difference of opinions which only time will tell who is right. I hope you get some good scum reads like you usually do coag.
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On April 12 2011 14:52 Coagulation wrote:
I had a town read on marsh all game.
Doch is the only one that made me skeptical with the lynch kav shit.
I'm mostly in agreement with this, but it's because I had a anti-town read on kav, and the way he went down was very anti-town. I was considering switching the vote for gmarshal towards the end, but kav just screwed town.
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On April 12 2011 14:55 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:52 Coagulation wrote:
I had a town read on marsh all game.
Doch is the only one that made me skeptical with the lynch kav shit. I'm mostly in agreement with this, but it's because I had a anti-town read on kav, and the way he went down was very anti-town. I was considering switching the vote for gmarshal towards the end, but kav just screwed town.
You really think mafia would go out of his way to try to help newbies get involved and more active within the game even though it would be "easy conversation"? Mafia wants newbies to be lurky and inactive so that they can hide amongst them.
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I posted why DrH was playing his mafia style earlier, and that's when he decided to change his playstyle and post helpful generic advice. He has been condemning kav and myself simply as scum, with no analysis. He even went as far as lynching kav day 1. I simply don't believe he would be this bad as town.
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Ok First off let me get this out of the way. Reading through, I was pretty certain Kav and kitaman were town. I felt they were obvious mayor picks over the competition. Dr. H is playing really aggressively, and I am not convinced that is that helpful for town after everyone including scum agreed that we need a leader-ish thing. Dr.H will lead to a lot of clashing, but whats done is done, so Im going to ignore that Kav was lynched, pretend it never happened.
GMarshal and chaoser are scum. I will try to get the analysis done tonight, but I defintely won't be including recent events, as I'm not halfway through the thread. Prot should never have been considered for mayoral position since in no way shape or form is he ever going to fufill a leader/analysis role. Catastrophe waiting to happen. He could be scum, but let assasins hit him, it destroys the normal KP that would be happening, and it gives town such an advantage that it never would have had til later. Knowing who is throwing KP around gives very solid trails. Every PYP game will show you that.
Im probably repeating what somebody already said, so you can ignore that. I am absolutely baffled at how you let GMarshal get pardoner, it blows my mind. Have you read his posts? The wishiest washiest "This is what this guy said, this is what I agree with and points on what happening BLAHBLAHBLAH" Nonsense posts. Haven't found a single useful one. Town meta my ass. He's scum. Chaoser same thing. You can't even start an arguement that they both ran for mayor. Go look at pages 15-25 and how many time chaoser switches his votes around. There is no reason to do any of that so early since mayor picks are usually whims anyway. It just causes confusion.
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On April 12 2011 15:02 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok First off let me get this out of the way. Reading through, I was pretty certain Kav and kitaman were town. I felt they were obvious mayor picks over the competition. Dr. H is playing really aggressively, and I am not convinced that is that helpful for town after everyone including scum agreed that we need a leader-ish thing. Dr.H will lead to a lot of clashing, but whats done is done, so Im going to ignore that Kav was lynched, pretend it never happened.
GMarshal and chaoser are scum. I will try to get the analysis done tonight, but I defintely won't be including recent events, as I'm not halfway through the thread. Prot should never have been considered for mayoral position since in no way shape or form is he ever going to fufill a leader/analysis role. Catastrophe waiting to happen. He could be scum, but let assasins hit him, it destroys the normal KP that would be happening, and it gives town such an advantage that it never would have had til later. Knowing who is throwing KP around gives very solid trails. Every PYP game will show you that.
Im probably repeating what somebody already said, so you can ignore that. I am absolutely baffled at how you let GMarshal get pardoner, it blows my mind. Have you read his posts? The wishiest washiest "This is what this guy said, this is what I agree with and points on what happening BLAHBLAHBLAH" Nonsense posts. Haven't found a single useful one. Town meta my ass. He's scum. Chaoser same thing. You can't even start an arguement that they both ran for mayor. Go look at pages 15-25 and how many time chaoser switches his votes around. There is no reason to do any of that so early since mayor picks are usually whims anyway. It just causes confusion.
Holy smokes batman, we have ourselves an analyzer.
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On April 12 2011 15:02 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok First off let me get this out of the way. Reading through, I was pretty certain Kav and kitaman were town. I felt they were obvious mayor picks over the competition. Dr. H is playing really aggressively, and I am not convinced that is that helpful for town after everyone including scum agreed that we need a leader-ish thing. Dr.H will lead to a lot of clashing, but whats done is done, so Im going to ignore that Kav was lynched, pretend it never happened.
GMarshal and chaoser are scum. I will try to get the analysis done tonight, but I defintely won't be including recent events, as I'm not halfway through the thread. Prot should never have been considered for mayoral position since in no way shape or form is he ever going to fufill a leader/analysis role. Catastrophe waiting to happen. He could be scum, but let assasins hit him, it destroys the normal KP that would be happening, and it gives town such an advantage that it never would have had til later. Knowing who is throwing KP around gives very solid trails. Every PYP game will show you that.
Im probably repeating what somebody already said, so you can ignore that. I am absolutely baffled at how you let GMarshal get pardoner, it blows my mind. Have you read his posts? The wishiest washiest "This is what this guy said, this is what I agree with and points on what happening BLAHBLAHBLAH" Nonsense posts. Haven't found a single useful one. Town meta my ass. He's scum. Chaoser same thing. You can't even start an arguement that they both ran for mayor. Go look at pages 15-25 and how many time chaoser switches his votes around. There is no reason to do any of that so early since mayor picks are usually whims anyway. It just causes confusion.
I guess you haven't read all of the thread...I've been calling GM scum for a while now. I was even one of the last few votes to push him out of mayor seat. If he is scum he just have to lynch him before he can effectively lose his pardon. I switched from Prot I think to Myself back to Prot in the beginning
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On April 09 2011 10:20 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 10:10 GMarshal wrote:On April 09 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i dont talk at night
i think silence during night is the best policy for town I completely disagree with this statement, I think the additional 24 hours of information are really valuable, its like extending the day by 24 hours. I dont think the additonal information we end up giving the mafia that way outweighs that at all. I mean look at Ver's analysis in XXXVII, they were all posted at night. I actually disagree as well. Having someone flip gives a lot of new information and can give posts by people a new light. Why would you not want to analyze before the end of night where you might possibly die? Ver said he was afraid he'd be shot every night so he posted his thoughts during the night and that helped town greatly.
LOL Look at this stuff. Analysis gold. Should I just give you guys what I have or keep reading?
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