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On April 13 2011 05:37 redFF wrote:
Why are me and M0nsterChef both suspicous to you? We voted for different candidates, I gave reason for my vote and I've stuck to my guns. He's supporting GM I Have an FOS on him. Please explain why i am a scum read.
How you vote doesn't mean anything. Who you FoS means even less.
FoSing people for reasons that make little or no sense do.
They may make sense to you at the time but most of your finger pointing has made none to me.
And this is coming from the guy that just calls people scum with no explanation.
Why does Coag always get the gun? 
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Since we are posting scum lists:
M0nsterChef
OriginalName
Kevconsim
GM
Go read my previous posts for those 4
Mig- not sure about. He was acting very scummy early on, and voting for GM. ON also did a contentless PBPA on him and concluded town. All this did is make him look far more suspicious in my eyes.
I also think coag is an assassin, because of how batshit crazy he went every time protact got a vote for mayor.
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On April 13 2011 05:54 redFF wrote:
Since we are posting scum lists:
M0nsterChef
OriginalName
Kevconsim
GM
Go read my previous posts for those 4
Mig- not sure about. He was acting very scummy early on, and voting for GM. ON also did a contentless PBPA on him and concluded town. All this did is make him look far more suspicious in my eyes.
I also think coag is an assassin, because of how batshit crazy he went every time protact got a vote for mayor.
Coag is always batshit crazy, that means nothing.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote:I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote:
I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform:
-ignore assassin bullshit for the most part
-I'd consider protact for pardoner because
a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game
b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town
-keep town focused on hunting scum
-ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are:
1. originalname
2. mig
3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact
## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling.
M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo.
redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing).
However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum.
a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so.
Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie:
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE] On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica[/QUOTE] Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote:
I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX) [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment[/QUOTE] So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. [/QUOTE] So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum? [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 05:38 redFF wrote:btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^[/QUOTE] I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum. He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 10:27 Coagulation wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on.[/QUOTE] Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote:I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their. ##Vote Gmarshal for mayor[/QUOTE] Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me [/QUOTE] WAT?[/QUOTE] Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote:
My Thoughts on the Game
First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much) Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.) Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.) I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW. If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them. Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching.[/QUOTE] I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. [/QUOTE] Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate? RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum. RedFF is RedFF [/QUOTE] Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly. So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.[/QUOTE] I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica[/QUOTE] I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor. On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment[/QUOTE] So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. [/QUOTE] I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change. Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells. In regards to posting that list again. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:##Vote: Gmarshal[/QUOTE] This guy is voting without posting.[/QUOTE] List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? [/QUOTE] M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before.[/QUOTE] I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:[QUOTE] On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on.[/QUOTE] Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.[/QUOTE] This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you. [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote:Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.[/QUOTE] I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning. About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum. A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead.[/QUOTE]
EDIT: Edit was done by request to fix the formatting. Those quote tags were behaving very strangely outside of spoiler tags - literally the only change has been to spoiler the two quotes and they've suddenly formatted themselves correctly.
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+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE] On April 13 2011 06:56 Robellicose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote:I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote:
I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform:
-ignore assassin bullshit for the most part
-I'd consider protact for pardoner because
a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game
b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town
-keep town focused on hunting scum
-ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are:
1. originalname
2. mig
3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact
## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise: [QUOTE] On April 13 2011 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo. redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing). However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment: [QUOTE] On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.[/QUOTE] I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so. Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie: + Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote:On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have. On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote:
I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX) On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum? On April 11 2011 05:38 redFF wrote:
btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^ I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum. He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal. On April 11 2011 10:27 Coagulation wrote:On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote:
I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their.
##Vote Gmarshal for mayor Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me WAT? Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy. On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote:
My Thoughts on the Game
First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much) Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.) Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.) I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW. If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them. Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching. I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate? RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum. RedFF is RedFF Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly. So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor. On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change. Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells. In regards to posting that list again. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before. I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote:
Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning. About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum. A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead. [/QUOTE]
I wrote a response to kav's Fos. Take from it what you will. I also try to explain why i made the post you pointed out. come on man at least read my posts if you really think i'm scum.
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Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum.
What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red.
A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option.
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[QUOTE]On April 13 2011 06:56 Robellicose wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote:I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote:
I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform:
-ignore assassin bullshit for the most part
-I'd consider protact for pardoner because
a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game
b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town
-keep town focused on hunting scum
-ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are:
1. originalname
2. mig
3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact
## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling.
M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise:
[QUOTE]On April 13 2011 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo.
redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing).
However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment:
[QUOTE]On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.[/QUOTE]
I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum.
a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so.
Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote:On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have. On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote:
I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX) On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum? On April 11 2011 05:38 redFF wrote:
btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^ I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum. He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal. On April 11 2011 10:27 Coagulation wrote:On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote:
I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their.
##Vote Gmarshal for mayor Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me WAT? Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy. On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote:
My Thoughts on the Game
First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much) Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.) Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.) I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW. If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them. Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching. I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate? RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum. RedFF is RedFF Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly. So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor. On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change. Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells. In regards to posting that list again. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before. I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote:
Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning. About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum. A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead.
would you mind reformatting this post?
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oh god why are people quoting it and not previewing...
On April 13 2011 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 06:56 Robellicose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote:
I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform:
-ignore assassin bullshit for the most part
-I'd consider protact for pardoner because
a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game
b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town
-keep town focused on hunting scum
-ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are:
1. originalname
2. mig
3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact
## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise: On April 13 2011 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo.
redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing). However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment: On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so. Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie: + Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote:On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have. On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote:
I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX) On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum? On April 11 2011 05:38 redFF wrote:
btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^ I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum. He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal. On April 11 2011 10:27 Coagulation wrote:On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote:
I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their.
##Vote Gmarshal for mayor Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me WAT? Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy. On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote:
My Thoughts on the Game
First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much) Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.) Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.) I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW. If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them. Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching. I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate? RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum. RedFF is RedFF Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly. So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor. On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change. Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells. In regards to posting that list again. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before. I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote:
Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning. About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum. A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead. would you mind reformatting this post?
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So i have a new theory. Let's call it theory of mafia information, discovery and momentum.
i = f(t) f(t) > f(t -1). Information i is a function of time that is always increasing.
d = discoveries made in the information
p(t)=p0 * d (town)
p(t)=p0 / d + OMGUS (mafia)
(p(t) is number of posts at time t, p0 is number of posts on day 1)
As the game goes on, townies talk more and more and make more aggressive posts since they make more discoveries about the game. Mafia tend to talk less and less over time until they hit an "OMGUS" moment since nothing they say can add information (without costing them the game) to town.
I'm going to put my theory to the test after this game.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option.
Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity.
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On April 13 2011 07:29 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity.
....that has to be the most retarded analogy yet.
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On April 13 2011 07:29 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity.
Lol yes, that is one way to put it, but the information we could get from lynching ON is extremely limited. If he were to show up red, the people that he might implicate would be Mig and possibly GMarshal as well due to their association with him, but those links are still relatively weak. You'd need more evidence then 'association with a mafia' to justify a lynch in the later days. If ON turns up green, we get just about zero information since a ton of people have already suspected him of being mafia.
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On April 13 2011 07:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity.
....my brain hurts from reading this analogy...
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On April 13 2011 07:37 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity. ....my brain hurts from reading this analogy...
Feels good when you're doing it but when your done you ain't got no information or virgins left.
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On April 13 2011 07:35 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:29 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity. Lol yes, that is one way to put it, but the information we could get from lynching ON is extremely limited. If he were to show up red, the people that he might implicate would be Mig and possibly GMarshal as well due to their association with him, but those links are still relatively weak. You'd need more evidence then 'association with a mafia' to justify a lynch in the later days. If ON turns up green, we get just about zero information since a ton of people have already suspected him of being mafia.
Correct. He's an almost entirely inactive player, if he flips green there isn't really anything to examine. This "Lynch for information" is a terrible terrible idea.
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Lynching for information is bad. Lynching cause people think he's mafia is good.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option.
How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts.
On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first.  Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap
Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice.
On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction.
Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more.
I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move.
And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?....
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On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first. Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?....
Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum.
Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon.
Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess.
Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles.
You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here.
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I'd love to see a sensuous lynch.
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