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redFF

United States3910 Posts

April 13 2011 00:19 GMT

#1681

On April 13 2011 09:17 GMarshal wrote:
So you guys want to lynch me over the guy up there huh? /applause

Well I guess thats one way to play mafia, just pretend to be really stupid.

Why would anyone lynch a troll with 3 posts over the the guy who's been scum read by multiple people and can make it lylo a day earlier?

Lemonwalrus

United States5465 Posts

April 13 2011 00:20 GMT

#1682

On April 13 2011 09:17 GMarshal wrote:
So you guys want to lynch me over the guy up there huh? /applause

Well I guess thats one way to play mafia, just pretend to be really stupid.

You are just mad that you are red on his list.

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

April 13 2011 00:28 GMT

#1683

I think GM and red are sad because thats pretty much my list as well. Except Im not quite sure about Kav being red, he could be assasin Ser, have you thought of that?

tnkted

United States1359 Posts

April 13 2011 00:37 GMT

#1684

Keep pressuring GM guys, this is really good. Every time he posts I think he's town more and more.

Sorry I haven't posted lately, been busy with life. I'll post a bunch tomorrow.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

April 13 2011 00:38 GMT

#1685

I'm rather insulted that you suggest I could lose an election as scum.

M0nsterChef

Canada67 Posts

April 13 2011 02:17 GMT

#1686

On April 13 2011 09:17 GMarshal wrote:
So you guys want to lynch me over the guy up there huh? /applause

Well I guess thats one way to play mafia, just pretend to be really stupid.

His contributions are even less than mine. I think that it would be a waste to lynch him 2nd day because he doesn't seem to be doing anything that is hurting our progress other than making pointless posts.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

April 13 2011 02:21 GMT

#1687

On April 13 2011 09:17 bumatlarge wrote:
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On April 13 2011 09:14 Serejai wrote:
Hey guys, I'm sorry for my lack of game knowledge. The mods sat down and explained some of the rules and gameplay to me so I think I have an idea of what's going on now.

Here is my analysis of all players. I think I have everyone figured out now. The mafia is easy... cause only mafia can change their votes so we know who they are already. I don't know why the thread says there are only six... cause it looks like there's at least 10 or so.

Next I did the assassins cause they're pretty easy, too. Jackal seems very hostile so I think he's an assassin. Protactinium said he was assassin. I don't know who the last assassin is but it's probably one of the red people because maybe assassins can change votes, too.

Blues were tricky... most are just guesses. Pandain said he's DT but I think he's lying about that. I still think he's a blue something though. bumatlarge and coagulation seem very good at this game so I think the mods probably picked them to be blue since they have experience. I also think Barundar is blue and the mayor probably thinks so too which is why he's trying to kill him.

1. Jackal58
2. Rean
3. Coagulation
4. GMarshal
5. Pandain
6. GGQ
7. OriginalName
8. Kenpachi
9. ilovejonn
10.Mr. Wiggles
11.chaoser
12.Latrommi
13.kevconsim
14.Protactinium
15.TranceStorm
16.tnkted
17.Eiii
18.urashimakt
19.Lemonwalrus
20.Milkyst
21.DropBear
22.The_Roist
23.kitaman27
24.bumatlarge
25.jaminz
26.DarthThienAn
27.DoctorHelvetica
28.darmousseh
29.AirbladeOrange
30.MetalFace
31.Barundar
32.Kavdragon - Day 1 Lynch
33.redFF
34.M0nsterChef
35.Serejai
36.Robellicose
37.Mig
38.aidnai
39.Conversion
40.CubEdIn

This guy is amazing, you should be more specific though as Im sure you'd be able to peg our exact roles. I'm the veteran role of course, and coagulation is a vig.

Is that a serious veteran claim?

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

April 13 2011 02:23 GMT

#1688

Whatever makes things difficult for you.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

April 13 2011 02:24 GMT

#1689

On April 13 2011 08:59 GMarshal wrote:

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On April 13 2011 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On April 13 2011 08:50 GMarshal wrote:

On April 13 2011 08:39 bumatlarge wrote:

On April 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote:

On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:

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What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red.

A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option.

How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts.

On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:

On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:

On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:
Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum.

You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself.

Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate.

Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion.
Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results.
Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT.
DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town.

Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way.

Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first.

Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking.

Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap

Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice.

On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.

I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.

This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.

But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.

That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction.

Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more.

I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move.

And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?....

Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum.

Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon.

Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess.

Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles.

You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here.

If you really think Kav's posts were empty compared to yours, you need to read them again. I read Kav's posts and yours in my first read through, and the difference was apparent. Kav wasn't posting for his benefit. He was genuinely unconcerned of convincing people of his alignment, it would be nice, but he was focused on town cohesion, and he got it. Your agenda was yourself. Proving yourself and the newer townies, and it worked to an extent. It was a shame I was not here earlier.

If you think Dr. H is my scumbuddy, anaylize myself and analyze Dr. H. You're so desperate that you just want to throw things around hoping it doesn't hit you in the back of the head. I don't need a DT check on you, I know you are scum. Dr. H has given HEAPS on posts that link you to him, and the only thing you have is my threat to him.

Ok, I'm not starting a shitstorm over this, I've done nothing but try to be protown all game long, foster discussion and make people talk, what I'm getting here are baseless accusations of "not posting enough content" and "trying too hard to get elected". Congrats, you caught up to my meta, I post mountains and mountains of posts, some of them end up not having very much content, I assure you its not intentional, but I post whatever I'm thinking, if its stupid or wifom then I'm fine with people calling out on it, but it isn't anti-town, and if you think its a cause for a lynch well then, see if you can get the town to agree to it. Mind you these are the same people who put eight votes on an assassin for mayor, so I wouldn't be surprised if they went for my neck.

Anyway, I'll answer any new accusations, I covered your points thus far and apparently me answering your accusations would also be " contentless posting" or "trying to hard"

Do answer me one question though, why, when I was in the lead to win the elections did I post a blue list and pressure Kita? it actually made voters switch off me, and I took all kinds of hell for it.

Yes it is.

Why? It ensures everyone has a clear view on my stances... and despite the accusations of "contentless" posts I think most of my posts contain something worth seeing.

No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices.

At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!"

Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

April 13 2011 02:24 GMT

#1690

On April 13 2011 11:23 bumatlarge wrote:
Whatever makes things difficult for you.

That's not a very pro-town attitude. I'm asking if you're claiming veteran or joking. Answer the question.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

April 13 2011 02:30 GMT

#1691

On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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That's not a very pro-town attitude. I'm asking if you're claiming veteran or joking. Answer the question.

I'm also medic protecting him.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

April 13 2011 02:31 GMT

#1692

cool lets all pretend we're pandain and make joke claims

that's very helpful

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

April 13 2011 02:33 GMT

#1693

No im not actually a veteran. If you really push GM doctor there is a good chance you wont get lynched the next day. Just saying.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

April 13 2011 02:36 GMT

#1694

On April 13 2011 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
cool lets all pretend we're pandain and make joke claims

that's very helpful

I'm a character assassin. You pervert.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

April 13 2011 02:36 GMT

#1695

On April 13 2011 11:33 bumatlarge wrote:
No im not actually a veteran. If you really push GM doctor there is a good chance you wont get lynched the next day. Just saying.

I don't like time delay on your response but fair enough. Like I said, I'm going to go through what he said myself. Expect my thoughts pretty soon after Day 2 begins. I unfortunately have 3 essays to write tonight and am procrastinating like a motherfucker T_T

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

April 13 2011 02:40 GMT

#1696

I'm going to bed. I gotta get up at 5 to get to work. Damn this midnight bullshit.
If I'm still alive tomorrow I'll assassinate GM's character. Toodles guys.

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

April 13 2011 02:41 GMT

#1697

Well get those done then and put your vote on GM tomorrow. No further discussion is necessarry, since no matter what you are, you agree GM is the obvious choice. Very cool. I think Im much more likely to be wrong on doc H then GM at this point. I'd like to hear tnkted's defense of GM because I have no read on him whatsoever

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

April 13 2011 02:42 GMT

#1698

On April 13 2011 11:33 bumatlarge wrote:
No im not actually a veteran. If you really push GM doctor there is a good chance you wont get lynched the next day. Just saying.

This isn't fear mongering at all "push my target or I'll lynch you"

me considering a Dr.H bum connection is fearmongering, you threatening someone with a lynch is not. Ok, I see the way it is ^_^

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

April 13 2011 02:46 GMT

#1699

On April 13 2011 11:42 GMarshal wrote:

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This isn't fear mongering at all "push my target or I'll lynch you"

me considering a Dr.H bum connection is fearmongering, you threatening someone with a lynch is not. Ok, I see the way it is ^_^

Seems like you're implying my lynch decision is final. I guess I am the new voice of the town then huh. Good everything is going swimmingly, wonder how night will turn out. MYABE IF COAG CAN GET HIS POKEMON STRAIGHT I CAN GO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

jaminz

United States208 Posts

April 13 2011 02:55 GMT

#1700

Man, this game is pretty intense. I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up, but I'm working on it. It seems like Bumatlarge, DoctorH, and GMarshal have all had a lot of analysis done on them so far, so I'll try to look at a few of the other players and post whatever analysis I can.

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