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Apparently lynching me is Sensuously Stupid not seriously stupid T.T
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On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first.  Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?....
I'll respond to you when you have actual analysis. I'm not going to respond to your attempts to provoke me, that's not going to help anybody.
This could just as well become the bumatlarge vs DrH show but that's just going to clutter the thread and I have no intention of doing that. You're free to analyse me and call me scum all you want of course, but I remember how badly I've fucked up the town before doing arguments like this (me vs youngminii in salem, me vs youngminii in some mini mafia game, me vs pandain in insane mafia i) and I hope to avoid that.
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On April 13 2011 08:31 GGQ wrote:
I'd love to see a sensuous lynch.
hawt
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On April 13 2011 08:31 GGQ wrote:
I'd love to see a sensuous lynch.
Remind me next time I write up a lynch post 
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On April 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first. Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?.... Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum. Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon. Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess. Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles. You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here.
If you really think Kav's posts were empty compared to yours, you need to read them again. I read Kav's posts and yours in my first read through, and the difference was apparent. Kav wasn't posting for his benefit. He was genuinely unconcerned of convincing people of his alignment, it would be nice, but he was focused on town cohesion, and he got it. Your agenda was yourself. Proving yourself and the newer townies, and it worked to an extent. It was a shame I was not here earlier.
If you think Dr. H is my scumbuddy, anaylize myself and analyze Dr. H. You're so desperate that you just want to throw things around hoping it doesn't hit you in the back of the head. I don't need a DT check on you, I know you are scum. Dr. H has given HEAPS on posts that link you to him, and the only thing you have is my threat to him.
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On April 13 2011 08:39 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote:On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first. Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?.... Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum. Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon. Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess. Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles. You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here. If you really think Kav's posts were empty compared to yours, you need to read them again. I read Kav's posts and yours in my first read through, and the difference was apparent. Kav wasn't posting for his benefit. He was genuinely unconcerned of convincing people of his alignment, it would be nice, but he was focused on town cohesion, and he got it. Your agenda was yourself. Proving yourself and the newer townies, and it worked to an extent. It was a shame I was not here earlier. If you think Dr. H is my scumbuddy, anaylize myself and analyze Dr. H. You're so desperate that you just want to throw things around hoping it doesn't hit you in the back of the head. I don't need a DT check on you, I know you are scum. Dr. H has given HEAPS on posts that link you to him, and the only thing you have is my threat to him.
Ok, I'm not starting a shitstorm over this, I've done nothing but try to be protown all game long, foster discussion and make people talk, what I'm getting here are baseless accusations of "not posting enough content" and "trying too hard to get elected". Congrats, you caught up to my meta, I post mountains and mountains of posts, some of them end up not having very much content, I assure you its not intentional, but I post whatever I'm thinking, if its stupid or wifom then I'm fine with people calling out on it, but it isn't anti-town, and if you think its a cause for a lynch well then, see if you can get the town to agree to it. Mind you these are the same people who put eight votes on an assassin for mayor, so I wouldn't be surprised if they went for my neck.
Anyway, I'll answer any new accusations, I covered your points thus far and apparently me answering your accusations would also be " contentless posting" or "trying to hard"
Do answer me one question though, why, when I was in the lead to win the elections did I post a blue list and pressure Kita? it actually made voters switch off me, and I took all kinds of hell for it.
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On April 13 2011 08:47 Coagulation wrote:
bum help me transfer pokemon
This is code for something
lynch them both
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its code for he left the damn wifi trade room cause its not working some reason
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On April 13 2011 08:50 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 08:39 bumatlarge wrote:On April 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote:On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first. Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?.... Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum. Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon. Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess. Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles. You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here. If you really think Kav's posts were empty compared to yours, you need to read them again. I read Kav's posts and yours in my first read through, and the difference was apparent. Kav wasn't posting for his benefit. He was genuinely unconcerned of convincing people of his alignment, it would be nice, but he was focused on town cohesion, and he got it. Your agenda was yourself. Proving yourself and the newer townies, and it worked to an extent. It was a shame I was not here earlier. If you think Dr. H is my scumbuddy, anaylize myself and analyze Dr. H. You're so desperate that you just want to throw things around hoping it doesn't hit you in the back of the head. I don't need a DT check on you, I know you are scum. Dr. H has given HEAPS on posts that link you to him, and the only thing you have is my threat to him. Ok, I'm not starting a shitstorm over this, I've done nothing but try to be protown all game long, foster discussion and make people talk, what I'm getting here are baseless accusations of "not posting enough content" and "trying too hard to get elected". Congrats, you caught up to my meta, I post mountains and mountains of posts, some of them end up not having very much content, I assure you its not intentional, but I post whatever I'm thinking, if its stupid or wifom then I'm fine with people calling out on it, but it isn't anti-town, and if you think its a cause for a lynch well then, see if you can get the town to agree to it. Mind you these are the same people who put eight votes on an assassin for mayor, so I wouldn't be surprised if they went for my neck. Anyway, I'll answer any new accusations, I covered your points thus far and apparently me answering your accusations would also be " contentless posting" or "trying to hard" Do answer me one question though, why, when I was in the lead to win the elections did I post a blue list and pressure Kita? it actually made voters switch off me, and I took all kinds of hell for it.
Yes it is.
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On April 13 2011 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 08:50 GMarshal wrote:On April 13 2011 08:39 bumatlarge wrote:On April 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote:On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote:On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote:Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first. Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?.... Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum. Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon. Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess. Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles. You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here. If you really think Kav's posts were empty compared to yours, you need to read them again. I read Kav's posts and yours in my first read through, and the difference was apparent. Kav wasn't posting for his benefit. He was genuinely unconcerned of convincing people of his alignment, it would be nice, but he was focused on town cohesion, and he got it. Your agenda was yourself. Proving yourself and the newer townies, and it worked to an extent. It was a shame I was not here earlier. If you think Dr. H is my scumbuddy, anaylize myself and analyze Dr. H. You're so desperate that you just want to throw things around hoping it doesn't hit you in the back of the head. I don't need a DT check on you, I know you are scum. Dr. H has given HEAPS on posts that link you to him, and the only thing you have is my threat to him. Ok, I'm not starting a shitstorm over this, I've done nothing but try to be protown all game long, foster discussion and make people talk, what I'm getting here are baseless accusations of "not posting enough content" and "trying too hard to get elected". Congrats, you caught up to my meta, I post mountains and mountains of posts, some of them end up not having very much content, I assure you its not intentional, but I post whatever I'm thinking, if its stupid or wifom then I'm fine with people calling out on it, but it isn't anti-town, and if you think its a cause for a lynch well then, see if you can get the town to agree to it. Mind you these are the same people who put eight votes on an assassin for mayor, so I wouldn't be surprised if they went for my neck. Anyway, I'll answer any new accusations, I covered your points thus far and apparently me answering your accusations would also be " contentless posting" or "trying to hard" Do answer me one question though, why, when I was in the lead to win the elections did I post a blue list and pressure Kita? it actually made voters switch off me, and I took all kinds of hell for it. Yes it is.
Why? It ensures everyone has a clear view on my stances... and despite the accusations of "contentless" posts I think most of my posts contain something worth seeing.
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BWHAHAHA now Dr. H realizes he makes the bad mistake of trusting GMarshal not to post obviously scummy.
Sorry coag I have to do this, the wifi thing is retarded.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2011 15:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 15:02 Conversion wrote:What are you even arguing here? I can't FoS someone for being an assassin? So now you're telling me that I can only FoS possible lynch targets? You can have a completely different definition of FoS in your head compared to the one I have in mine. I understand that you like spamming up threads (you even have a reputation of it), but really? What are you even pointing at here? Am I mafia for misusing FoS in your opinion? Am I mafia for FoSing and assassin, when GMarshal prodded me to speak? Yes I am new and I would rather not speak because I'd make a lot of mistakes that would lead to scum reads from the players that can't differentiate from scum and bad townie play. Stop arguing about silly things, it's getting you nowhere. If you somehow deduce that I'm scum from senseless arguments like these  kudos to you for failing. im not arguing im trying to understand your terrible post On April 11 2011 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H? great idea did your mafia friends tell you to suggest it? On April 11 2011 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica rofl On April 11 2011 05:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LOL and he wants protact to reveal the bodyguards
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote:
WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS
WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM We're aiming to kill both. Why? Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths. If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong On April 10 2011 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:42 Mig wrote:
It's definitely way too big of a risk to put an assassin as mayor so I think the main question is whether we should use the medics to protect him. Obviously prot would accept the medic proposal if he doesn't get elected because otherwise hes insta dead. Also it would be a way for the town to control him because if he ever refuses to use his powers the town can just not use the medics to protect him.
The problem with using the medics on prot would be A) it would give the assassins incentive to attack townies, similar to if he was mayor, also we don't know the role numbers. If we only have 1 medic and there are 3 assassins or 4 assassins and 2 medics then the assassins could still kill prot and our medics power would be wasted. Btw this is assuming we can stack medics if that's not possible someone can correct me.
Overall I think its too big of a risk to use the medics on prot and they would be better spent protecting the outspoken town members. good job saying nothing and repeating "pro-town" stuff other people said fos And to GM? On April 10 2011 11:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
so many words gmarshal
so many words I think that's about the only time Dr. H makes a negative response towards him. And this is after going ALL OUT offensive against Kav's longish posts. Thats a damning prospect right there my friends. Shame it was so executed like that.
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Dodging my questions again, bum, why did I jeopardize my chances at mayor by doing things that were in the benefit of the town but that people didn't like?
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Now my posts go from solid analysis to pointless shitsorm. Everything is right in the world. If I'm dead tomorrow town knows what to do. Im curious to see if they will chance letting me live.
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Hey guys, I'm sorry for my lack of game knowledge. The mods sat down and explained some of the rules and gameplay to me so I think I have an idea of what's going on now.
Here is my analysis of all players. I think I have everyone figured out now. The mafia is easy... cause only mafia can change their votes so we know who they are already. I don't know why the thread says there are only six... cause it looks like there's at least 10 or so.
Next I did the assassins cause they're pretty easy, too. Jackal seems very hostile so I think he's an assassin. Protactinium said he was assassin. I don't know who the last assassin is but it's probably one of the red people because maybe assassins can change votes, too.
Blues were tricky... most are just guesses. Pandain said he's DT but I think he's lying about that. I still think he's a blue something though. bumatlarge and coagulation seem very good at this game so I think the mods probably picked them to be blue since they have experience. I also think Barundar is blue and the mayor probably thinks so too which is why he's trying to kill him.
1. Jackal58
2. Rean
3. Coagulation
4. GMarshal
5. Pandain
6. GGQ
7. OriginalName
8. Kenpachi
9. ilovejonn
10.Mr. Wiggles
11.chaoser
12.Latrommi
13.kevconsim
14.Protactinium
15.TranceStorm
16.tnkted
17.Eiii
18.urashimakt
19.Lemonwalrus
20.Milkyst
21.DropBear
22.The_Roist
23.kitaman27
24.bumatlarge
25.jaminz
26.DarthThienAn
27.DoctorHelvetica
28.darmousseh
29.AirbladeOrange
30.MetalFace
31.Barundar
32.Kavdragon - Day 1 Lynch
33.redFF
34.M0nsterChef
35.Serejai
36.Robellicose
37.Mig
38.aidnai
39.Conversion
40.CubEdIn
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I must have missed those GM between the assasin and DT claim. Man you must have gotten massive shit for that move phew.
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On April 13 2011 09:14 Serejai wrote:
Hey guys, I'm sorry for my lack of game knowledge. The mods sat down and explained some of the rules and gameplay to me so I think I have an idea of what's going on now.
Here is my analysis of all players. I think I have everyone figured out now. The mafia is easy... cause only mafia can change their votes so we know who they are already. I don't know why the thread says there are only six... cause it looks like there's at least 10 or so.
Next I did the assassins cause they're pretty easy, too. Jackal seems very hostile so I think he's an assassin. Protactinium said he was assassin. I don't know who the last assassin is but it's probably one of the red people because maybe assassins can change votes, too.
Blues were tricky... most are just guesses. Pandain said he's DT but I think he's lying about that. I still think he's a blue something though. bumatlarge and coagulation seem very good at this game so I think the mods probably picked them to be blue since they have experience. I also think Barundar is blue and the mayor probably thinks so too which is why he's trying to kill him.
1. Jackal58
2. Rean
3. Coagulation
4. GMarshal
5. Pandain
6. GGQ
7. OriginalName
8. Kenpachi
9. ilovejonn
10.Mr. Wiggles
11.chaoser
12.Latrommi
13.kevconsim
14.Protactinium
15.TranceStorm
16.tnkted
17.Eiii
18.urashimakt
19.Lemonwalrus
20.Milkyst
21.DropBear
22.The_Roist
23.kitaman27
24.bumatlarge
25.jaminz
26.DarthThienAn
27.DoctorHelvetica
28.darmousseh
29.AirbladeOrange
30.MetalFace
31.Barundar
32.Kavdragon - Day 1 Lynch
33.redFF
34.M0nsterChef
35.Serejai
36.Robellicose
37.Mig
38.aidnai
39.Conversion
40.CubEdIn
What the fuck is this, can a mod replace him or something, this is getting fucking stupid(er)
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 09:14 Serejai wrote:
Hey guys, I'm sorry for my lack of game knowledge. The mods sat down and explained some of the rules and gameplay to me so I think I have an idea of what's going on now.
Here is my analysis of all players. I think I have everyone figured out now. The mafia is easy... cause only mafia can change their votes so we know who they are already. I don't know why the thread says there are only six... cause it looks like there's at least 10 or so.
Next I did the assassins cause they're pretty easy, too. Jackal seems very hostile so I think he's an assassin. Protactinium said he was assassin. I don't know who the last assassin is but it's probably one of the red people because maybe assassins can change votes, too.
Blues were tricky... most are just guesses. Pandain said he's DT but I think he's lying about that. I still think he's a blue something though. bumatlarge and coagulation seem very good at this game so I think the mods probably picked them to be blue since they have experience. I also think Barundar is blue and the mayor probably thinks so too which is why he's trying to kill him.
1. Jackal58
2. Rean
3. Coagulation
4. GMarshal
5. Pandain
6. GGQ
7. OriginalName
8. Kenpachi
9. ilovejonn
10.Mr. Wiggles
11.chaoser
12.Latrommi
13.kevconsim
14.Protactinium
15.TranceStorm
16.tnkted
17.Eiii
18.urashimakt
19.Lemonwalrus
20.Milkyst
21.DropBear
22.The_Roist
23.kitaman27
24.bumatlarge
25.jaminz
26.DarthThienAn
27.DoctorHelvetica
28.darmousseh
29.AirbladeOrange
30.MetalFace
31.Barundar
32.Kavdragon - Day 1 Lynch
33.redFF
34.M0nsterChef
35.Serejai
36.Robellicose
37.Mig
38.aidnai
39.Conversion
40.CubEdIn
This guy is amazing, you should be more specific though as Im sure you'd be able to peg our exact roles. I'm the veteran role of course, and coagulation is a vig.
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So you guys want to lynch me over the guy up there huh? /applause
Well I guess thats one way to play mafia, just pretend to be really stupid.
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