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Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind.
Instead of fear mongering, why don't you tell us why you think either of them is scum?
My preference is town mayor and Protac pardoner, but I don't want to plant my vote on a third party in case something crazy happens while I sleep. If kita was actually running for mayor he would be my pick, since unlike GM I find Kita has actively been trying to push inactives and question people.
I have to vote before I go to bed, so GM I'd like to hear who you anticipate on lynching if you get voted in. DrH is still (probably) ON?
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On April 12 2011 06:31 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. Instead of fear mongering, why don't you tell us why you think either of them is scum? My preference is town mayor and Protac pardoner, but I don't want to plant my vote on a third party in case something crazy happens while I sleep. If kita was actually running for mayor he would be my pick, since unlike GM I find Kita has actively been trying to push inactives and question people. I have to vote before I go to bed, so GM I'd like to hear who you anticipate on lynching if you get voted in. DrH is still (probably) ON?
I'm not 100% sure yet but probably one of these inactive people who are posting without contributing, someone like Serejai who's only post was a troll post with no content or AirbladeOrange who so far has failed to actually contribute.
Kita, I retract my accusation of you, it was kind of a dick move on my part but I wanted to see how you reacted to some pressure, since I felt that you hadn't been subjected to any real scrutiny. Sorry if I made you angry, but I had to see how you reacted to something like my attack. I do think you are acting pro town, and I don't actually want a vigi to hit you, but I felt that I was being passive with my scum hunting and wanted to see your reaction. Once again sorry, but if anything your defense has solidified your towniness in my eyes.
I still want a vigi to shoot Pandain though ^_^
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On April 12 2011 05:43 AirbladeOrange wrote:
The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us.
Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind.
There are no town PM circles, and the mayor and pardoner learn the identities of the bodyguards, so if mafia gains one position, they can wipe out the other fairly quickly. Add on the voting capability of the mayor and the one-time lynchblock (which would have to be lategame only for mafia as we'd probably lynch the pardoner pretty quick afterwards) and it's pretty clear that the mafia would want to run at least one campaign for mayor. If I had to say which candidate I think is the most scummy, I'd call Kav. Maybe. It's more of a 'least-obviously-town' choice rather than a pro-mafia choice.
GMarshal I think it's silly to lynch the pardoner - If we want rid of the role completely, try and vote a green in and get him to pardon one of the early lynches (perhaps the first one where we aren't sure of our lynch victim, probably the day 1 lynch). This gets rid of the pardon whilst still protecting a probable green. If mafia obtain one of the positions, and don't block the lynch, then we can lynch on the next turn in the knowledge that we're definitely lynching scum that time. Please do not consider lynching the pardoner purely to get rid of the pardon. There is no reason to.
On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice:
Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum.
Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue)
Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum.
Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit.
I think this is great advice. Blues should listen to this. Especially if you aren't hugely experienced at Mafia - I'm certainly not.
What I would like to ask the more experienced TL Mafia members - In previous IRC games I've played, we had an IRC channel (I assume to all intents and purposes a pm circle is the same) that the mayor could invite people to and as a result the pooling of blue info was possible with only a small chance (mayor inviting a mafia) of the mafia finding out who the blues were. This is going to sound mafia as all hell, but what are the usual ways of blues sharing info without letting mafia know who the blues are? Is it solid analysis from town? Does one detective post his info like mad hoping a medic is around? If you don't want to share these tips, could you recommend a mafia game on TL that also did not have a town pm circle of any kind so I could read up on how this information can be shared?
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I'm playing til I get officially replaced, which may or may not happen. I'm sure it will, though.
Sure, I'm making excuses, but an assignment worth 50% of my grade is more important than a game of mafia. I'm sure you all can agree to that.
I'm considering changing my vote only because there is one person who is making me feel they're even more town than GM at this point. If it is necessary, I will say who. I am not changing my vote yet, though.
Maybe I'm blinded, but GM is playing to his town-ideals from last game imho.
I'm positive DR. H is town. I don't know him, but I don't believe scum would be as loud as he's been this game.
I don't support an ON lynch, tbh. I don't think he is a reasonable lynch, especially if it is for information. I don't give a shit about the assassin bits. It shouldn't affect our game too much.
Jackal is town. He is absolutely town.
RedFF is likely not town at this point, to me. He's new, yes? How come he doesn't feel as new as he should? Is he, perhaps, having help outside the thread?
Serejai shouldn't be playing a game this big if he's being legitimate with his post. Personally, I cannot fathom someone playing mafia with such a skewed view and I pray to the Mafia Gods that he's just full of shit there, tbh.
I don't understand this debacle between kita and GM. They're both town.
On April 12 2011 05:13 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
why are people voting in this thread lolol It's helpful to also put your vote in here so people know where you stand. Otherwise I have to go digging through the voting thread and find your most recent vote. If this rule is enforced (as it was in the previous game) it forces people who are lurking/inactive to post something in here.
This is a very good point. I like having other people speak in here by force. It helps us out a lot, I feel. This being said, I do not like the placeholder votes. I find it unnecessary to vote for someone you don't necessarily want to win. Correct me if I am wrong, but typically, when you vote for mayor, you actually vote for you WANT to win.
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On April 12 2011 06:40 GMarshal wrote:
Kita, I retract my accusation of you, it was kind of a dick move on my part but I wanted to see how you reacted to some pressure, since I felt that you hadn't been subjected to any real scrutiny. Sorry if I made you angry, but I had to see how you reacted to something like my attack.
You dirty Broad Street Bully. I don't get angry, I get revenge.
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On April 12 2011 06:42 Robellicose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 05:43 AirbladeOrange wrote:
The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us.
Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. There are no town PM circles, and the mayor and pardoner learn the identities of the bodyguards, so if mafia gains one position, they can wipe out the other fairly quickly. Add on the voting capability of the mayor and the one-time lynchblock (which would have to be lategame only for mafia as we'd probably lynch the pardoner pretty quick afterwards) and it's pretty clear that the mafia would want to run at least one campaign for mayor. If I had to say which candidate I think is the most scummy, I'd call Kav. Maybe. It's more of a 'least-obviously-town' choice rather than a pro-mafia choice. GMarshal I think it's silly to lynch the pardoner - If we want rid of the role completely, try and vote a green in and get him to pardon one of the early lynches (perhaps the first one where we aren't sure of our lynch victim, probably the day 1 lynch). This gets rid of the pardon whilst still protecting a probable green. If mafia obtain one of the positions, and don't block the lynch, then we can lynch on the next turn in the knowledge that we're definitely lynching scum that time. Please do not consider lynching the pardoner purely to get rid of the pardon. There is no reason to. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice:
Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum.
Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue)
Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum.
Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit.
I think this is great advice. Blues should listen to this. Especially if you aren't hugely experienced at Mafia - I'm certainly not. What I would like to ask the more experienced TL Mafia members - In previous IRC games I've played, we had an IRC channel (I assume to all intents and purposes a pm circle is the same) that the mayor could invite people to and as a result the pooling of blue info was possible with only a small chance (mayor inviting a mafia) of the mafia finding out who the blues were. This is going to sound mafia as all hell, but what are the usual ways of blues sharing info without letting mafia know who the blues are? Is it solid analysis from town? Does one detective post his info like mad hoping a medic is around? If you don't want to share these tips, could you recommend a mafia game on TL that also did not have a town pm circle of any kind so I could read up on how this information can be shared?
As for lynching the pardoner, I said it depends on who gets elected, but I was only toying with the idea anyway, I think I may have overreacted to the threat that the pardoner presents, although it is a pretty large one.
As for information sharing I said in a previous post it depends on who the actual blue is, one method is for the dt to breadcrumb his results by claiming that he he feels "really good" about players who are town and "really bad" about players who are scum in an analysis, then when the DT dies the town can go back and look at who he had good and bad feelings about.
Claiming with role-blockers around is a poor idea, it should only be done if the blue has a red he cannot get lynched otherwise.
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##Vote GMarshal
Don't disappoint me, lynch an inactive/lurker please.
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GM I was ok with your earlier ideas but your later ones are extremely scummy.
1. Lynching the pardoner? Are you serious? You backed off it quickly but I don't know how you could ever possibly think that removing half of the town's 'safe from night kill' roles would ever be a good idea.
2. Posting a list of what the blues should be doing? Extremely stupid, tells the mafia who they should avoid. Lists like that are only useful when we're dealing with a crowd half this size. If you were mafia that list would help you by getting all of the blues to focus their powers in one area, which you can easily avoid. Anyone you leave off the list is guarrenteed to be killable!
3. Calling vig hits on pandain? He's probably a blue that was stupid enough to announce himself in front of everybody, hes done nothing but lurk since then. Anybody in this thread with half a brain is aware of his role now, why could you possibly want to kill him? If you were mafia calling a vig hit on pandain would be the smartest thing you could do, since he would be saving you a hit at night.
I'm not saying you're town, but the conspiracy theorist part of my brain is going nuts with thoughts about how you and protract are mafia, and protract is getting bussed to get you into the mayors position.
TLDR; GMs ideas are horrible and I can't support his campaign. I withdraw my candidacy, my vote right now is more important than providing a valuable alternative.
I can't believe I'm typing this. ##vote DrH
Also everybody, about Serejai: I play SC2 with him sometimes and I am/was part of the TL minecraft server, and Serejai is the biggest troll I've ever seen. He was fucking with you. I don't know what hes doing this game but hes hard to read. As he posts more I'll be happy to translate into english for you. :D
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On April 12 2011 02:07 Robellicose wrote:
Kavdragon:I personally do not have a read on you at all. A lot of people are saying they read you as red. What do you believe in your posts contradicts this heavily? What is your long term plan for this game if you were to become mayor?
I don't usually feel the pressure to explain my actions, but in this case I think it will help clear a few things up: (This is a response to a general sentiment that was voiced by Robe ^^)
I've been talking to Ver, BC and RoL a lot over the past few games trying to improve my play. I started talking to Foolishness this game. Looking over many of the excellent town players, they all look at the setup and try to figure out what the mafia's strategy will be. I did the same thing. I saw a ton of new players, and a mafia with 4 KP. My immediate thought was that inactivity would be rampant among the newer players, and the mafia would have enough KP to kill of most, if not all the vocal people.
With that in mind, I decided that the best course of action would be try to get the new players as involved as possible. To do this, I had to make it as easy as possible for them to get better. Sure, you can point them to another guide, but it's easier if it's in the thread. The players who are going out to read guides are not the problem. It's the players who are too lazy to read the guides that I'm trying to hook.
It was my plan. It had problems, I see that now. I didn't anticipate the amount of spam that was thrown around. I didn't build flexability into my plan, to account for things that I should have known I couldn't see. Regardless, I think that the goal was sound. We NEED to get the new players on board with us, or we've already lost the game.
That being said, I'll stop posting guides and try to contribute more to the thread now.
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On April 12 2011 07:16 tnkted wrote:
GM I was ok with your earlier ideas but your later ones are extremely scummy.
1. Lynching the pardoner? Are you serious? You backed off it quickly but I don't know how you could ever possibly think that removing half of the town's 'safe from night kill' roles would ever be a good idea.
2. Posting a list of what the blues should be doing? Extremely stupid, tells the mafia who they should avoid. Lists like that are only useful when we're dealing with a crowd half this size. If you were mafia that list would help you by getting all of the blues to focus their powers in one area, which you can easily avoid. Anyone you leave off the list is guarrenteed to be killable!
3. Calling vig hits on pandain? He's probably a blue that was stupid enough to announce himself in front of everybody, hes done nothing but lurk since then. Anybody in this thread with half a brain is aware of his role now, why could you possibly want to kill him? If you were mafia calling a vig hit on pandain would be the smartest thing you could do, since he would be saving you a hit at night.
I'm not saying you're town, but the conspiracy theorist part of my brain is going nuts with thoughts about how you and protract are mafia, and protract is getting bussed to get you into the mayors position.
TLDR; GMs ideas are horrible and I can't support his campaign. I withdraw my candidacy, my vote right now is more important than providing a valuable alternative.
I can't believe I'm typing this. ##vote DrH
Also everybody, about Serejai: I play SC2 with him sometimes and I am/was part of the TL minecraft server, and Serejai is the biggest troll I've ever seen. He was fucking with you. I don't know what hes doing this game but hes hard to read. As he posts more I'll be happy to translate into english for you. :D
The pardoner can be a dangerous tool in the hands of a mafia. It essentially gives the mafia an extra night of kills that we cant do shit about. think about it all the way before blowing a gasket.
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On April 12 2011 07:16 tnkted wrote:
GM I was ok with your earlier ideas but your later ones are extremely scummy.
1. Lynching the pardoner? Are you serious? You backed off it quickly but I don't know how you could ever possibly think that removing half of the town's 'safe from night kill' roles would ever be a good idea.
2. Posting a list of what the blues should be doing? Extremely stupid, tells the mafia who they should avoid. Lists like that are only useful when we're dealing with a crowd half this size. If you were mafia that list would help you by getting all of the blues to focus their powers in one area, which you can easily avoid. Anyone you leave off the list is guarrenteed to be killable!
3. Calling vig hits on pandain? He's probably a blue that was stupid enough to announce himself in front of everybody, hes done nothing but lurk since then. Anybody in this thread with half a brain is aware of his role now, why could you possibly want to kill him? If you were mafia calling a vig hit on pandain would be the smartest thing you could do, since he would be saving you a hit at night.
I'm not saying you're town, but the conspiracy theorist part of my brain is going nuts with thoughts about how you and protract are mafia, and protract is getting bussed to get you into the mayors position.
TLDR; GMs ideas are horrible and I can't support his campaign. I withdraw my candidacy, my vote right now is more important than providing a valuable alternative.
I can't believe I'm typing this. ##vote DrH
Also everybody, about Serejai: I play SC2 with him sometimes and I am/was part of the TL minecraft server, and Serejai is the biggest troll I've ever seen. He was fucking with you. I don't know what hes doing this game but hes hard to read. As he posts more I'll be happy to translate into english for you. :D
Did you miss the part about the blue list being to provide a focus for discussion? If mafia sees the list and decide not to hit player because they are on the medic list then all the better for us, if we had 2 medics then I just made the mafia avoid 4 players, my updated list come nightfall will make it so that there are about 6 players in the medic protect list, if the mafia avoid them then all the better for us, also consider the fact that a medic seeing that list has no obligation to follow it,a s a matter of fact mafia not only has to ignore the "protected" targets but also has to worry about medics who might not be following my lead. Blue direction lists are all things considered a good thing.
As for pandian refer to my policy, LaL, now that he has made a claim and retracted it nothing pandian says can be trusted, what if two days from now he comes out and says, "lol, jk I am a DT and I checked Qatol and he is scum" would you believe a word of it? I know I wouldn't, hell it would probably cause enough chaos to force us to lynch him.
As I said with the pardoner, it was me being a little bit too rash, but the pardoner is *still* extremely anti town and I'm unhappy that its going to be in anyone's hands at all.
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Then make the pardoner save your first lynch. Its been suggested several times before. It would solve your problem entirely and would only cost us a lynch that is probably going to be town anyway.
I have to go to class, i'll respond ot other points when i get back.
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Lynching ON has nothing to do with the assassins.
Quick recap on why I think we should lynch ON. Basically he has a lot of very low content posts to make him seem like he is contributing.
On April 10 2011 13:33 OriginalName wrote:
Well GMarshal you actually put forward an agreeable plan.
Lynching inactives LURKERS Great idea unless you have a really obvious and active scum day 1 (Which I would not discount with so many newbies).
My really base reads right now are GMarshal is town. Ive been on a scumteam with him he has more holes than swiss cheese.
However as a mayor I would like to know what his plans are after Day 1 as lets face it D1 lynch is a damn crapshoot 80% of the time and when I vote I want more long term goals and ideas in mind Im not amazing at reads however if people do put forward them I will take the time to look at their scum reads.
Another thing - one thing I picked up from a vet and I think we ought to start doing is analysing tge posts of those nightkilled. Imagine if we looked at GMs reads in insane 2 GF may have been outed faster creating a completely different game (ie Blacks wouldnt have made enough money for the names).
So there ##Vote Gmarshal and all dat jazz.
Little actual contribution here, pretty much a no content post/vote, not much to be explained.
On April 11 2011 06:58 OriginalName wrote:
My scum reads:
Pandain - Fakeclaim into lolno sorry not DT
Protact - Assassin or Mafia Kavs arguement against him is solid
My not sure reads:
DrH - Why so aggro bro? Leaning scum
Chaoser - Leaning pro town would be imo a great pardoner
Everyone not listed (Most leaning town to various degrees)
Town Reads:
Kavdragon - This is not his scum style at all
GMarshal
Tnk
No content, no reason for guessing Gmarshal or Tnk is town, garbage post.
Protact made a good post a while back explaining a few other posts, he is a far better mafia player than I
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On April 12 2011 07:25 tnkted wrote:
Then make the pardoner save your first lynch. Its been suggested several times before. It would solve your problem entirely and would only cost us a lynch that is probably going to be town anyway.
I have to go to class, i'll respond ot other points when i get back.
And then we waste a lynch the only town kp, I think its a stupid idea to pardon the first lynch, there's no reason to assume it *won't* hit scum, especially if its aimed by a town player who is gunning for an area with a high concentration of mafia (read: the lurkers) (and yes it *is* an assumption that some mafia will be lurking, but a fair one, no?)
Again every lynch gives us information, we shouldn't lynch exclusively for it, but we should not stop from lynching out of fear.
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Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him.
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On April 12 2011 07:17 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:07 Robellicose wrote:
Kavdragon:I personally do not have a read on you at all. A lot of people are saying they read you as red. What do you believe in your posts contradicts this heavily? What is your long term plan for this game if you were to become mayor? I don't usually feel the pressure to explain my actions, but in this case I think it will help clear a few things up: (This is a response to a general sentiment that was voiced by Robe ^^) I've been talking to Ver, BC and RoL a lot over the past few games trying to improve my play. I started talking to Foolishness this game. Looking over many of the excellent town players, they all look at the setup and try to figure out what the mafia's strategy will be. I did the same thing. I saw a ton of new players, and a mafia with 4 KP. My immediate thought was that inactivity would be rampant among the newer players, and the mafia would have enough KP to kill of most, if not all the vocal people. With that in mind, I decided that the best course of action would be try to get the new players as involved as possible. To do this, I had to make it as easy as possible for them to get better. Sure, you can point them to another guide, but it's easier if it's in the thread. The players who are going out to read guides are not the problem. It's the players who are too lazy to read the guides that I'm trying to hook. It was my plan. It had problems, I see that now. I didn't anticipate the amount of spam that was thrown around. I didn't build flexability into my plan, to account for things that I should have known I couldn't see. Regardless, I think that the goal was sound. We NEED to get the new players on board with us, or we've already lost the game. That being said, I'll stop posting guides and try to contribute more to the thread now.
still haven't said anything game relevant, still using too many words -_-
You're defending yourself more than is warranted, especially since you've done nothing else.
On April 12 2011 07:09 Barundar wrote:
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##Vote GMarshal
Don't disappoint me, lynch an inactive/lurker please.
Do you care which lurker/inactive? is this better than lynching OriginalName? Are you still comfortable with GM even though his analysis and plans have been shown to have holes?
Try harder plz.
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Guys listen I'm sorry to cause problems for everyone but I just haven't had the time to focus on this game. Apart from other things going on I am currently trying to quit smoking after being on 30 a day and that certainly doesn't help with the old focus. I will be back to play forum mafia when i find the time and I am sorry for wasting a space in the game. Hopefully you'll find someone that can replace me rather than lose a green altogther...
I enjoyed what little of Insane 2 I got to play and when i get back i'll be putting in some proper games. Good luck everyone!!
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Well there goes my hope that Tack would show up with a huge pro town post and justify me.
Thats what, two replacements thus far? This bodes ill for the town.
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EBWOP: Also Tack, hope you find more time and play in another game relatively soon! Gl with quitting smoking!
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