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Since you're asking for input, I'll offer mine. People generally love an overall positive attitude. Look at tastosis: the snide remarks Artosis occasionally makes are more than balanced by Tasteless' ability to always be positive and joke over uncomfortable moments. You have a very good sense of humor, but I think that you occasionally step over the boundaries with your remarks towards people who really don't deserve them. Some examples that I've recently heard on your stream and SOTG:
- last SOTG you were talking about Tasteless saying he's gona be busy (laundry followed by laddering) and basically saying how he's avoiding participating in SOTG due to not wanting to talk about the game. You know what? Tasteless might not have the insight of you or Artosis, but nonetheless he's a great commentator who is a major factor in GSL overseas success. Was your comment funny? Not particularly. Was it irritating to people who like Tasteless? To me it was. It had a negative flavour to it; people generally don't like negative attitude.
- in one of your recent streams you were talking about TB and how he predicted NASL to be the doom of western Esports. That was factually incorrect of which you were informed later (as in fact TB was supportive of NASL), yet you managed to sneak in a few snide remarks about TB still. Again, TB is not a SC2 pro, and he readily admits it, yet he's extremely entertaining and good for the community. Why project an overall neagative attitude towards the guy who doesn't deserve it?
The reason I'm actually posting this is because I think you're *the* person who has the highest chance to push NASL forward. I think that your occasional negativity towards people who don't deserve it might actually detract some SC2 fans from your commentating and therefore NASL. My suggestion is to calibrate your remarks; if you feel like making fun of somebody do it, but give credit where it's due. If it's somebody that does a lot for the community, acknowledge it. Don't lose your sarcastic sense of humor as it is a major part of your personality, but keep in mind that your overall reflection on people that are generally liked should be fair.
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Week 1: iNcontrol does an impression of TotalBiscut = LOL
NASL gets announced
Week 2: iNcontrol does an impression of Kelly = QQ
jk jk.
I think it does show how much you give a crap about it all, by making posts like this. I have no doubt your reading through all these pages and taking the criticism on board, but man, it's the internet. There's ALWAYS someone that's going to bitch and moan about it. Try not to let it get you down to much.
iNcontrol Foighin' round the world.
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Everyone in this thread seems to be avoiding the fact that mocking Kelly's voice/accent was, or was potentially, racist.
Geoff, you probably have no idea what it's like to have the way you speak derided like that, coming from the presumably privileged position that you're in (white male in a white country). That shit hurts.
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iNcontrol,
I completely agree that saying "continue to be yourself don't change anything lol" is short-sighted and bad for the NASL, and the passion you have for the NASL will prevent you from doing that. That being said, you are who you are, and there is a reason that you are a successful caster/podcast participant/streamer. Just like how not every music has to be soft rock, not every SC persona has to be Day[9]. Variety makes for spicy life.
A month ago, sage advice would have rightly been, F' the haters, who cares. However as the face of the NASL and one of the most infulential members of the Western SC2 community, I am glad you are taking what you do seriously and you are willing to put the success of the league before some fun at the expense of others.
Don't let the pressure of the NASL break you from who you are, because you weren't asked to do the NASL because you were the most knowledgable caster or because you were a legendary pro player or because you were a dick. You were brought on because you were enough of all of those things to have mass appeal.
Apologize to those who were offended, but don't stop being edgy. Don't think of this as a "last chance" just a learning opportunity. Perhaps most importantly, now that the apology is made, people will be putting you under a crazy microscope, don't beat yourself up if the haters still hate. Just know that the silent majority appreciates what you do.
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He's the hero the people deserve. Just not the one they need right now. So we'll troll him, because he can take it. Because he's not an hero. He's a comedic caster, an entertaining personality, an NASL commentator.
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On February 26 2011 09:23 leakingpear wrote:
Honestly I can understand changing to a more watered down 'professional' attitude if it was insisted by the TV station/event producer, even if I don't approve of it, what I can't understand is advocating people do it ahead of time in order to appease some imaginary sponsor/TV station that decides what to broadcast based on this arbitrary and easily fixable metric of professionalism over actual properties that matter like popularity, charismatic figures and how easy it is to get into.
Ok, so if a basketball player who does crack and gets into physical fights is trying to get into the NBA, you would tell him," No, no, you may be popular in your neighborhood and your demeanor creates controversy, but don't change unless someone from the NBA Actually TELLS you to change." is your mindset?
There is nothing wrong with trying to create a more professional image, and I'm sure Geoff would know better than me and you what direction he is going and what he is trying to achieve. If he has made this post, I'm sure he took into consideration a great deal of factors to make this post.
And by the way, it's not an "imaginary sponsor." NASL _IS_ being sponsored by something real.
I still stand by my original post.
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Well, here's my view.
You are a great guy and a great commentator and player but your humour while funny is easily misconstrued and misappropriated. Some people aren't used to the sarcastic style of comedy you have. I feel if you balance this with an addendum after wards to discuss how the comment was made in good fun it could be ok as long as you are careful of how far the sarcasm goes. The totalbiscuit thing to me seems to be coming across as overinflated to be honest. you point out the truth in his lack of deep understanding but lately you have been balancing that out by discussing how he is good for introducing newer fans to the SC2 world and franchise.
Your joke about Tasteless was in good fun and was fine and I personally, as a fan of tasteless saw nothing wrong with it.
In short trying to balance your comedy and personality with a public professional persona will be a new task for you to take on and probably won't be easy but will be manageable.
GL iNcontrol , I think many of us are pretty understanding and are ok with your growing pains becoming a public professional face of NASL as opposed to the public character you tend to be
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I was a fan of yours since the first State of the Game, and I will always be a fan. I have no doubt you'll make the NASL great.
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On February 26 2011 09:39 BasilPesto wrote:
Everyone in this thread seems to be avoiding the fact that mocking Kelly's voice/accent was, or was potentially, racist.
Geoff, you probably have no idea what it's like to have the way you speak derided like that, coming from the presumably privileged position that you're in (white male in a white country). That shit hurts.
Oh come on. And mocking TB was racist against all british people?
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This is the one thing I've hated in life more than anything.
A few idiots act like fools and ruin the fun for everyone.
I'm pretty sure this started when my first grade teacher decided to punish the whole class with no recess because one idiot in the class couldn't stop causing trouble. He had no trouble missing recess while the rest of the class was punished. He won!
Same thing happens throughout life. Rules get put in place that punish everyone because one person does something stupid.
Now we have Geoff, the most interesting and entertaining figure in all of esports, claiming that he's going to punish everyone by changing his public personality because a few idiots feel the need to tear him down. I really don't know if I blame the idiots, or Geoff more for this.
Since Geoff started his stream (and maybe before this with SotG), he has consistently overreacted to the insanely serious, insanely vocal minority. This is clearly another example of that. There is a reason he has the most viewed stream on the site even though he just barely has gotten started. There is a reason he gets more comments made about him on the TL forums than any other figure. There is a reason the NASL.tv chose him. It is all because he is who he is. Changing that is incredibly counterproductive to everything.
Incontrol needs to take a lesson from Tasteless who on GOM regularly pokes at the serious nerds who think it is important to tell everyone what they think they are doing wrong. These people are idiots who will always be there trying to drag you down no matter how good you do or how far you go. You have to know within yourself that the things you do are done lighthearted and come from a good place which is the only basis for judging anything.
Focus on yourself and not the never-ending commentary that will surely follow you. If someone above you (a boss or respected friend), gives you feedback...then absolutely re-evaluate. However, letting anonymous internet trolls change who you are is a serious miscalculation of what is needed to make yourself and your endeavors successful.
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iNcontroL, man haters goin' hate. I watched your stream for your humor and for the fact that you are who you are despite criticism. Please dont forsake what made you popular in the first place.
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On February 26 2011 09:48 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 09:39 BasilPesto wrote:
Everyone in this thread seems to be avoiding the fact that mocking Kelly's voice/accent was, or was potentially, racist.
Geoff, you probably have no idea what it's like to have the way you speak derided like that, coming from the presumably privileged position that you're in (white male in a white country). That shit hurts. Oh come on. And mocking TB was racist against all british people? Not being racist is the new racism.
Possibly. I can't speak for TB's, or people who relate to TB's, experience of things though. When I hear a guy pull out every single caricature of an Asian accent for the reason of bagging a commentator though, I get suspicious.
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On February 26 2011 09:49 Corrupted wrote:
Incontrol needs to take a lesson from Tasteless who on GOM regularly pokes at the serious nerds who think it is important to tell everyone what they think they are doing wrong. These people are idiots who will always be there trying to drag you down no matter how good you do or how far you go. You have to know within yourself that the things you do are done lighthearted and come from a good place which is the only basis for judging anything.
Focus on yourself and not the never-ending commentary that will surely follow you. If someone above you (a boss or respected friend), gives you feedback...then absolutely re-evaluate. However, letting anonymous internet trolls change who you are is a serious miscalculation of what is needed to make yourself and your endeavors successful.
QFT. Amen
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Hope it doesnt mean that good old incontrol, a funny guy (and serious when its needed) will simply become an 'Always political correct guy'
By the way, You are really good proof of fact that good player will be better commentator than a guy who only screams about things he sees without any in-depth knowledge.
Good luck to You Man.
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On February 26 2011 09:54 BasilPesto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 09:48 Derez wrote:On February 26 2011 09:39 BasilPesto wrote:
Everyone in this thread seems to be avoiding the fact that mocking Kelly's voice/accent was, or was potentially, racist.
Geoff, you probably have no idea what it's like to have the way you speak derided like that, coming from the presumably privileged position that you're in (white male in a white country). That shit hurts. Oh come on. And mocking TB was racist against all british people? Not being racist is the new racism. Possibly. I can't speak for TB's, or people who relate to TB's, experience of things though. When I hear a guy pull out every single caricature of an Asian accent for the reason of bagging a commentator though, I get suspicious.
It would be racist if it came from a place of hate towards Kelly or hate towards Asian people which he clearly doesn't have. He simply thinks she talks funny and tries his best to impersonate it (pretty badly I might add). Words (or impersonations), mean absolutely nothing. It is the place that they are coming from that matters. Inc is so incredibly lighthearted that I can't imagine anyone truly believing he has anything that comes from a place of hate or malice. People have really got to turn down their sensitivity levels in this world. I can only imagine the unhappy, heart attack at 35 lives these people live.
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On February 26 2011 10:01 Corrupted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 09:54 BasilPesto wrote:On February 26 2011 09:48 Derez wrote:On February 26 2011 09:39 BasilPesto wrote:
Everyone in this thread seems to be avoiding the fact that mocking Kelly's voice/accent was, or was potentially, racist.
Geoff, you probably have no idea what it's like to have the way you speak derided like that, coming from the presumably privileged position that you're in (white male in a white country). That shit hurts. Oh come on. And mocking TB was racist against all british people? Not being racist is the new racism. Possibly. I can't speak for TB's, or people who relate to TB's, experience of things though. When I hear a guy pull out every single caricature of an Asian accent for the reason of bagging a commentator though, I get suspicious. It would be racist if it came from a place of hate towards Kelly or hate towards Asian people which he clearly doesn't have. He simply thinks she talks funny and tries his best to impersonate it (pretty badly I might add). Words (or impersonations), mean absolutely nothing. It is the place that they are coming from that matters. Inc is so incredibly lighthearted that I can't imagine anyone truly believing he has anything that comes from a place of hate or malice. People have really got to turn down their sensitivity levels in this world. I can only imagine the unhappy, heart attack at 35 lives these people live.
I'd rather have a heart attack at the age of 35 than be completely ignorant/uninformed.
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Incontrol it's easy to see that the vocal minority has made you question your choices, however I believe the vast majority of people know how great you are! Your wit is a breath of fresh air. While you may be hearing from the people that don't like you more often now, being the spokesperson of the NASL, it's important to remember that most people like you and what you offer to the community. If the minority was the majority why would your stream get such great numbers every night.
With the recent announcement of the NASL a friend of mine was talking about how he thought you seemed a bit obnoxious in the clash of the titans showmatch. I told him to see the real you just watch an hour or two of your stream to see the real person you are. A jolly person with a passionate love for e-sports! So remember haters gonna hate.
P.S. You should probably stop the personal attacks now since you are the most visible person of what could be the GREATEST SC2 LEAGUE EVER!
P.P.S. If you think it's bad now just wait till you win the NASL  INCONTROL FIGHTING!
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On February 26 2011 10:01 Corrupted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 09:54 BasilPesto wrote:On February 26 2011 09:48 Derez wrote:On February 26 2011 09:39 BasilPesto wrote:
Everyone in this thread seems to be avoiding the fact that mocking Kelly's voice/accent was, or was potentially, racist.
Geoff, you probably have no idea what it's like to have the way you speak derided like that, coming from the presumably privileged position that you're in (white male in a white country). That shit hurts. Oh come on. And mocking TB was racist against all british people? Not being racist is the new racism. Possibly. I can't speak for TB's, or people who relate to TB's, experience of things though. When I hear a guy pull out every single caricature of an Asian accent for the reason of bagging a commentator though, I get suspicious. It would be racist if it came from a place of hate towards Kelly or hate towards Asian people which he clearly doesn't have. He simply thinks she talks funny and tries his best to impersonate it (pretty badly I might add). Words (or impersonations), mean absolutely nothing. It is the place that they are coming from that matters. Inc is so incredibly lighthearted that I can't imagine anyone truly believing he has anything that comes from a place of hate or malice. People have really got to turn down their sensitivity levels in this world. I can only imagine the unhappy, heart attack at 35 lives these people live.
Racism can also just as much derive from ignorance. Just look at typical depictions of the 'other' in mainstream media for the last century or so. It's not necessarily about hatred, but whatever serves your purpose.
Perceiving how someone talks funny is quite possibly the first thing on every racist's mind (as well as appearance).
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On February 26 2011 10:05 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:01 Corrupted wrote:On February 26 2011 09:54 BasilPesto wrote:On February 26 2011 09:48 Derez wrote:On February 26 2011 09:39 BasilPesto wrote:
Everyone in this thread seems to be avoiding the fact that mocking Kelly's voice/accent was, or was potentially, racist.
Geoff, you probably have no idea what it's like to have the way you speak derided like that, coming from the presumably privileged position that you're in (white male in a white country). That shit hurts. Oh come on. And mocking TB was racist against all british people? Not being racist is the new racism. Possibly. I can't speak for TB's, or people who relate to TB's, experience of things though. When I hear a guy pull out every single caricature of an Asian accent for the reason of bagging a commentator though, I get suspicious. It would be racist if it came from a place of hate towards Kelly or hate towards Asian people which he clearly doesn't have. He simply thinks she talks funny and tries his best to impersonate it (pretty badly I might add). Words (or impersonations), mean absolutely nothing. It is the place that they are coming from that matters. Inc is so incredibly lighthearted that I can't imagine anyone truly believing he has anything that comes from a place of hate or malice. People have really got to turn down their sensitivity levels in this world. I can only imagine the unhappy, heart attack at 35 lives these people live. I'd rather have a heart attack at the age of 35 than be completely ignorant/uninformed.
See Inc...watch as this delusion deflects right off me.
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Well said iNcontroL. We all make mistakes, but it's how we own up to them that truly determines our character. I know you have the ability and desire to make NASL a success. I'm really looking forward to the upcoming era of eSports. In a way, I'm glad to get all of this drama out in the open and resolved so when the NASL hits full tilt we can focus on what we all want to see... the highest level of starcraft 2 presented in a fun and entertaining manner.
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