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moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
February 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#201
dude, keep on keeping on! I personally love your casts, shows and all the streams and coaching you do. Everyone fucks up and everyone does dumb shit but that doesn't mean you need to stop all together.

Please just pick up and carry on with ALL the things you have been doing. It would be a sad day for SC2 if you slowed down or checked yourself in the slightest.

Do it for the horses!
gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
February 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#202
Hi Incontrol

I'd say I would be one of your critics (though I havent felt the need to write something officially about it, since others have done more than enough of that).

On February 26 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:
I love this game. I love this community. I am enveloped by my passion for all things sc2.


All your "fanboys" and "haters" feel this way (well I'd say at least - random statistic - 90%). We all love the game. We all love the community. We all want that "esports" becomes big.
I think that's the main point all sides can agree on.
We have the "same" passion and want the same results.

Now - you're a bit different. You are also fucking brave. Yes, I as a critic admit that you are one of the brave guys - like all "progamers", since you sacrifice the "normal" live.
I personally am not brave enough to take the risk to be involved in esports at a professional level. I will study, get a degree & will have a "normal" job. I will hopefully live a "normal" live.

But I hope some brave guy succeeds and makes esports big.
Though since we're all mature people & have different experiences with society/live we all think "we know it". That makes us similiar again (be it the haters, brave ones, fanboys).

So some of us think that the "easy" "casual" "flammatory" style you have shown until now might not be the professional way and it might hinder the development of what we all want to succeed.

So to your (I think the major) question:
On February 26 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:
That change is up to you the community. I want to hear what people think. I am a cohost of the podcast "State of the Game" and I have a stream on Justin.tv where I joke around a lot. I also post actively on TL and I read all other forums (reddit as well... )


Do what you think is right. But please continue to read the forums (be it TL / reddit). And if somebody "hates" you - sleep one night and read the "hate" post again.
Probably the guy who wrote the hate post loves the game as well and wants it to succeed - and maybe he has a point?
I dont say that everyone who criticizes has a point - but there might be some guys who do.
Just be a bit less "compulsive" (dont know if that is the right term^^) and think "Those guys who criticize me are not only haters/trolls - they might have a point".

If in doubt, just ask a "neutral" friend (I know all friends are kinda biased). And of coure you should ignore the "olololol you neeed to steeep down from nasl" posts. Those people are in the 10%
SingDaSorrow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 00:05:43
February 26 2011 00:03 GMT
#203
As a zerg player, i still love ya incontrol. Be yourself and enjoy it. And remember dont get angry over the insult or whatever, but see if it is true or not and react if you have to. Best of luck!
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
February 26 2011 00:08 GMT
#204
Here is my 2 cents:

Honestly when I heard that InControl was going to be at the helm of NASL as far as public relations, I was very worried about the image that he produces.

What we have here is a chance to make a breakthrough in E-Sports history, and despite some of the antics I enjoy on SotG periodically, the fact that InControl speaks too critically about people and etc. made me cringe when I heard of his role in NASL. Despite the fact already thousands of people listen to SotG already and the controversy that frequently arises by what InControl says, I can only imagine what kind of backlash it can concoct when it becomes a much greater audience.

I was somewhat relieved when this post came out because in order to promote E-Sports
Onto the next stage, professionalism needs to exist whether you like it or not. The people shouting, "don't change at all! I LIKE it when you shit on ppl!" don't quite get what public image means.

Talk to Day[9]. And I do realize your (Geoff) dislike of being compared to him, but what I mean is learn from his experiences and stances on being a more prominent figure in E-Sports. You can have your own styles and tendencies that are unique to each person, but there is a very basic level of professionalism which is grasped by all the grea commentators and hosts we have in E-Sports today and is something you will also have to realize in order to promote NASL in the manner it wants.

So I hope you take this into your consideration
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
February 26 2011 00:09 GMT
#205
Geoff is my favorite Bear ^____^

Incontrol fighting!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
February 26 2011 00:09 GMT
#206
iNcontrol I look forward to seeing you be the face of NASL and of course wish you well in it and all of your future endeavors. I even bought you a present that I'll give you at MLG! =)
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 00:15:42
February 26 2011 00:09 GMT
#207
I feel like we may be returning to an iNcontroL from a prior time, someone who I feel we'd all love to have represent the community:

+ Show Spoiler +


Edit: Elaborating
Artosis:  "It's like Detroit in there."   Tasteless:  "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings."
Cryogenic
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada75 Posts
February 26 2011 00:13 GMT
#208
Just be you man, haters gonna hate. If anybody was to head and run NASL, it'd be you. Don't even acknowledge the haters because they will always be there.

I'm moving to LA in a year and I'll be there to wish you the best personally.

iNcontroL fighting!
"If you don't go after what you want, you'll never have it. If you don't ask, the answer is always no. If you don't step forward, you're always in the same place." - Nora Roberts .:| Scarlett |:.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
February 26 2011 00:14 GMT
#209
Nice apology. Best of luck with NASL!
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
February 26 2011 00:19 GMT
#210
haters gonna hate. that best summurizes a good chunk of the tl member base unforuntely. you've contributed a huge part to this community, and that far outshines any mistakes you may have made (we all fuck up sometimes). i truly hope that the nasl kicks off and begins a new era for western esports. just a side note, did you give up your staff position? Or am i missing something here?
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 26 2011 00:19 GMT
#211
This really made me respect you a lot more as a person and personality. Kudos.
CheAse
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada919 Posts
February 26 2011 00:20 GMT
#212
I can't believe the amount of people who give Geoff shit for the slightest infraction or inappropriate yet obviously sarcastic remark. Sure the gsl thing was wrong, but he shouldn't have to apologize for anything else. People just need to chill the fuck out.

The people blowing his comments out of proportion about topics such as Kelly and Select are ruining the entertainment value of sotg, his streaming, and the nasl. There shouldn't have to be censorship because a bunch of immature trolls see an opportunity to create drama and pounce on it.

Please Geoff, don't let them ruin it for everyone.

Stay the same.




SCV good to go sir
Creep
Profile Joined September 2010
United States229 Posts
February 26 2011 00:23 GMT
#213
On February 26 2011 08:55 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 08:52 Creep wrote:
On February 26 2011 08:48 elmizzt wrote:
On February 26 2011 08:44 Creep wrote:
On February 26 2011 08:40 elmizzt wrote:
On February 26 2011 08:38 Creep wrote:
On February 26 2011 08:15 elmizzt wrote:
On February 26 2011 08:09 ImHuko wrote:
You guys should read about what actually happened so you can understand how big this apology is. Mocking kelly was only some of what happened.

Mocking kelly was only part of what happened, but the rest was ridiculous and insignificant to the point that it is ridiculous to have blown up so much. Get off your high horse and turn off the condescending attitude towards Geoff. He has already shown that he is the bigger man in every aspect of the phrase.


Looking for a restream of GOMTV, while also being the face of NASL, isn't really insignificant. What kind of message does it send to people when you watch restreams of tournaments but then (as i'm sure incontrol would agree) not wanting people to restream your own tournament?

Incontrol did things, and he apologized, you don't need to act like nothing happened.

No, it really is insignificant, considering that he stated that after being contacted by a jtv admin who told him he was breaking the rules, he stopped. Not to mention that he owns a gomtv premium account.


You are talking about a different thing. That was when Incontrol was not even really restreaming, like, half of the video was being shown for 8 minutes. The next day Incontrol asked for a restream of GSL on his own stream.

Please refer to my earlier post.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=196316&currentpage=7#139

I read your earlier post when you posted it, thank you. It was full of misrepresentation and sensationalization. In fact, the way that you interpret iNc's statements are so dramatic that I almost have to assume that they are intentional misinterpretation.


I'm not trying to misinterpret anything. Go look at the posts I linked to, just look at them, he says he did these things and he even apologized.

I read all those posts when inc first posted them. And again when you linked them to compare. The claims you make about what he said are completely off-base, and your post is basically you shoving words in his mouth, then linking his post, which says nothing of the kind. You may not be trying to misinterpret anything, but you are definitely succeeding.


Fine, ignore what I said which is confirmed by the posts Incontrol made that I quoted too.

Reading the posts Incontrol made confirms what I said, even without my own posting.

You need to realize I really do like Incontrol, but lying about what he did completely undermines the entire point of Incontrol apologizing.
leakingpear
Profile Joined March 2006
United Kingdom302 Posts
February 26 2011 00:23 GMT
#214
On February 26 2011 09:08 kethers wrote:
I was somewhat relieved when this post came out because in order to promote E-Sports
Onto the next stage, professionalism needs to exist whether you like it or not. The people shouting, "don't change at all! I LIKE it when you shit on ppl!" don't quite get what public image means.


This is the attitude that most annoys me on these forums, you have no evidence or precedent to imply that a) your idea of professionalism, whatever that may be because it's clearly a nebulous term and up to interpretation, even exists; and b) that it's necessary or advantageous when 'promoting e-sports' which thanks to day9's vomit inducing 'lets make esports happen' daily means that everyone on the forum can't possibly disagree with something if it's prefaced with something like"in order to make esports a reality".

The reality is no one knows what will make something successful in terms of sponsorships, TV coverage and so on, there's no evidence for this popular myth that everything has to be as watered down and flat as current sports journalism and coverage is and previous attempts to present e-sports in that manner through CGS and other shows have failed miserably. If anything the people who want e-sports to take off should be supporting popular and controversial community leaders precisely because they draw big crowds and show that there's something to be passionate about in a real manner.

Honestly I can understand changing to a more watered down 'professional' attitude if it was insisted by the TV station/event producer, even if I don't approve of it, what I can't understand is advocating people do it ahead of time in order to appease some imaginary sponsor/TV station that decides what to broadcast based on this arbitrary and easily fixable metric of professionalism over actual properties that matter like popularity, charismatic figures and how easy it is to get into.
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
February 26 2011 00:24 GMT
#215
As a white male I really have no place to speak for others, but I have always loved the joking around and I hope you don't become a dulled down version of yourself.

Celebrities go on Jon Stewart, SNL and other similar programs all the time where they say things that would offend others if they were serious. The problem occurs because you don't have a distinct line between your work and play. Personally, I wish you were in play mode all the time so don't get too caught up about it. I bet everyone will tune into NASL anyway so no worries
Fan of: IdrA, Sen, Stephano, Snute, Axlav, Hero
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
February 26 2011 00:26 GMT
#216
I hope the community at large can chill out and learn to take a joke. Not everything any person--even a prominent figure--says needs to be picked over to the nth degree. That attitude leads to prominent figures burning out because no one can keep up politically correct appearances 100% of the time.

That said, I applaud Incontrol's forthrightness and commitment to the community
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 00:29:57
February 26 2011 00:26 GMT
#217
People in the first few pages saying "dont change " are doing iNcontrol and NASL a massive disservice. You arent helping him and you are just using the man as your source for comedy and pointless drama (see the TB debacle, Kelly debacle, GSL restream debacle). He is not just here to entertain you and blast people you dont happen to like.

He has learned a valueable lesson and will need to act more proffesional from now considering he IS the face of NASL regardless of who says what.

The amount of responsiblity on his shoulders is immense, who is to say we will ever get a chance for a big tournament like this in the west for SC2 ever again? All that is on his shoulders now, and he has no time to dance infront of you to entertain you.

I really hope you grow into your role IC, this can be your legacy, the man who spearheaded the NASL and brought proper SC2 competition to North America. That is something people will remember more than any player who won ____ Tournament.

I think you are ready for that big guy, you got broad shoulders and i dont mean just your actual shoulders but mentally i think you are fit for the job
★ Top Gun ★
kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
February 26 2011 00:30 GMT
#218
mocking kelly and restreaming gsl? isnt that what 50% of TL wants anyways
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
February 26 2011 00:33 GMT
#219
You're awesome...
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
February 26 2011 00:33 GMT
#220
Geoff, we've disagreed on several points in the past, but in the end I still really appreciate the efforts you put into ESPORTS and competitive SC2. I wish you the best of luck and will be supporting NASL all the way through.

P.S. If you see some nerdy asian kid, one-fourth your size, go up to you at PAX (I'll be slinging my bright orange messenger bag), it's me
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
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