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iNcontroL has been one of my favorite members of the community because of his sense of humor. Restreaming GSL was not acceptable, but everything else was fine with me.
It seems to me that many people that hold a grudge towards Geoff do so because they don't understand when he is joking. People hear him talk crap about someone and think that he is a major dick, but in reality he is joking with someone that he is friends with.
In some sense, I feel sorry for people who are unable to appreciate people taking sarcastic jabs at each other. I feel even worse for people who get angry about it. Life probably isn't very fun with a view like that.
Normally I would find it entertaining that some small groups of people get upset, but it's different when peoples misguided anger forces a person change. I do not consider Geoff to be insensitive, but it seems like a number of people do. I hope these hypersensitive people do some self reflection of their own.
What is worse than insensitivity? Hypersensitivity.
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You're asking for input, ill take the opportunity and provide some of mine. First of all i'm a big fan and take what i say to be constructive please.
On SOTG i think you're fine except sometimes your jokes interfere with real questions etc. By this I mean the joke takes over the conversation and we never get to hear the real answers. Also there seems to be some sort of double standard that became apparent when NASL was revealed. Questioning other leagues has never been a problem, but all of a sudden when it was nasl it was retarded to ask where the money came from, if the team rule was not the best etc.
I've never listened to your stream so i dunno about that. My final plea is to please, please, please do something about this 5per team rule in the nasl. It's simply not ideal and should be changed as soon as possible.
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GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
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Be all serious and professional when you cast for NASL, otherwise just be yourself (or rather don't STOP being yourself) The reason for your fame is exactly the fact that you joke around and are generally a funny person. It's what people like about you. We don't want a serious bitter mofo, we want the jokes / remarks / FUN. People might whine and rage about stuff you say, but so what? Do you honestly think that a few trolls will cost you your job ? It's your free time, you can do whatever you want.
TL;DR dont change anything, just be professional when you cast for NASL.
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On February 26 2011 10:13 Corrupted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:05 ImHuko wrote:On February 26 2011 10:01 Corrupted wrote:On February 26 2011 09:54 BasilPesto wrote:On February 26 2011 09:48 Derez wrote:On February 26 2011 09:39 BasilPesto wrote:
Everyone in this thread seems to be avoiding the fact that mocking Kelly's voice/accent was, or was potentially, racist.
Geoff, you probably have no idea what it's like to have the way you speak derided like that, coming from the presumably privileged position that you're in (white male in a white country). That shit hurts. Oh come on. And mocking TB was racist against all british people? Not being racist is the new racism. Possibly. I can't speak for TB's, or people who relate to TB's, experience of things though. When I hear a guy pull out every single caricature of an Asian accent for the reason of bagging a commentator though, I get suspicious. It would be racist if it came from a place of hate towards Kelly or hate towards Asian people which he clearly doesn't have. He simply thinks she talks funny and tries his best to impersonate it (pretty badly I might add). Words (or impersonations), mean absolutely nothing. It is the place that they are coming from that matters. Inc is so incredibly lighthearted that I can't imagine anyone truly believing he has anything that comes from a place of hate or malice. People have really got to turn down their sensitivity levels in this world. I can only imagine the unhappy, heart attack at 35 lives these people live. I'd rather have a heart attack at the age of 35 than be completely ignorant/uninformed. See Inc...watch as this delusion deflects right off me.
Hahahahah, well done.
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Good man, Incontrol the fact you are willing to own up to your actions by your own accord shows (in my own tiny opinion) we the community could not put our faith in anyone better.
You have my continued love and support.
So see you in rancho big guy.
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I always liked you incontrol and then i met you in person and I liked you even more.
You couldn't have been kinder, and more hilarious. I met you at Green Forest Lan in Ventura, and I was rather impressed.
I've listened to many of your cast's and your humorous spots on the internet. From what are horses to who is artosis. I heard one bit of the kelly and biscut fun you poked. Although it could have been taken rudely i don't think you had any intention of harm and it was all ment in good fun.
I don't think or believe that anyone could do a better job with the nasl then you.
Jeff FIGHTING!
Always your fan,
Sva~
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Hopefully this post is just to pacify prudes in the community, because it's very unnecessary in my opinion. Apologizing to the minority who have no sense of humor is a waste of energy, and changing for that minority is ridiculous.
Be yourself. Don't change.
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On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere.
I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)?
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On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere. I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)?
Maybe you could just realize that it's facetious instead... then all problems would be solved.
Nobody's going to get leukemia because Geoff "iNcontrol" Robinson told a racial joke.
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On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere. I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)?
Context..? I think I've heard incontrol do impersonations of artosis, nony, totalbiscuit, day[9], idra and probably some others I forget. You seem like a really fun guy, do you get all sensitive and defensive when someone light-heartedly does an impersonation of a mutual friend in your work place or school setting as well?
People like huko really take all the fun out of starcraft, or at least are trying very hard to do so..
Sensible reddit commenter wrote:
So the NASL picked iNcontroL to be the spokesman and he has to repeatedly apologise for acting like iNcontroL?
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I really don't like that you give so much attention to that vocal minority. Don't change, keep making fun of people, keep being who you are.
This drama doesn't actually exist, I'm getting a bit annoyed that people are acting like it does.
You have nothing to apology for Geoff, NOTHING. People need to get thicker skin and stop acting like Geoff isn't entitled to his opinion or making light hearted jokes about people.
sigh..this community makes me very sad sometimes
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INCONTROL FIGHTING!
The only SC2 pro out there that acts "like a bawse"
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On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere. I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)?
Fair point.
So basically it's not racist to be intentionally hateful towards a French person, if you are white, literally just because he's French, like in the case of MrBitter's stream. There wasn't hate there, they are obviously friends, so no one even batted an eyelid at that.
The point of the joke was never "she's asian, lets laugh at her and her funny accent", it was literally just "her accent is funny".
Say he impersonated her without actually knowing what she looked like ... would that be racist? What if she was white, born in China, learning english again and still had the same accent. Is that racist? I realize that point is semantics, but regardless i suppose it's trying to get across what I'm trying to say.
I could be wrong but i don't' think Geoff ever spoke about her ethnicity, just her accent.
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On February 26 2011 10:39 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere. I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)? Maybe you could just realize that it's facetious instead... then all problems would be solved. Nobody's going to get leukemia because Geoff "iNcontrol" Robinson told a racial joke.
Ah, if we only could apply that mindset to racism globally--all our problems would be solved!
On February 26 2011 10:40 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere. I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)? Context..? I think I've heard incontrol do impersonations of artosis, nony, totalbiscuit, day[9], idra and probably some others I forget. You seem like a really fun guy, do you get all sensitive and defensive when someone light-heartedly does an impersonation of a mutual friend in your work place or school setting as well?
Again, power relations. A Caucasian impersonating a Caucasian doesn't do damage, as both are in a sense of privilege and power, with social, cultural and historical roots behind it. That's why racism doesn't really work upwards.
Your attempted analogy is problematic. You're saying that Geoff "light-heartedly" mocked Kelly's accent. If that were the case, then why'd Geoff post this blog? If he meant it light-heartedly, then again, perhaps he is totally ignorant of how such light-heartedness can cut deep, not just for Kelly (if at all), but for his viewers.
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On February 26 2011 10:40 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere. I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)? Context..? I think I've heard incontrol do impersonations of artosis, nony, totalbiscuit, day[9], idra and probably some others I forget. You seem like a really fun guy, do you get all sensitive and defensive when someone light-heartedly does an impersonation of a mutual friend in your work place or school setting as well? People like huko really take all the fun out of starcraft, or at least are trying very hard to do so.. Show nested quote +Sensible reddit commenter wrote:
So the NASL picked iNcontroL to be the spokesman and he has to repeatedly apologise for acting like iNcontroL?
Think what you want. I want this to succeed, and GROW. I am not the only one who was worried. I am just the loudmouth who said it.
I love iNcontrols humor, I download SotG every week mainly just to listen to him talk shit about everyone, and I enjoy every single bit of it. My problem came in when he became the face of NASL. iNcontrol doesn't have to change who he is, which is what yall think the "minority" want. I just want him to just tone it down a bit, so NASL can respresent E-Sports well. You can still playfully make fun of people in a respectful way. I highly doubt Kelly cares if iNcontrol playfully impersonates her, but it is a little overboard to do it for an hour or more WHILE kelly is casting.
On February 26 2011 10:50 Creep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:41 Senx wrote:
I really don't like that you give so much attention to that vocal minority. Don't change, keep making fun of people, keep being who you are.
This drama doesn't actually exist, I'm getting a bit annoyed that people are acting like it does.
You have nothing to apology for Geoff, NOTHING. People need to get thicker skin and stop acting like Geoff isn't entitled to his opinion or making light hearted jokes about people.
sigh..this community makes me very sad sometimes Incontrol actually did more than making fun of people and restreaming GSL. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=196316¤tpage=7#139Why do people only respond to the "racism" and the "restreaming"? (i put quotes around these because he was hardly racist and he barely restreamed) I don't know why everyone keeps ignoring Geoffs OWN comments.
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On February 26 2011 10:41 Senx wrote:
I really don't like that you give so much attention to that vocal minority. Don't change, keep making fun of people, keep being who you are.
This drama doesn't actually exist, I'm getting a bit annoyed that people are acting like it does.
You have nothing to apology for Geoff, NOTHING. People need to get thicker skin and stop acting like Geoff isn't entitled to his opinion or making light hearted jokes about people.
sigh..this community makes me very sad sometimes
Incontrol actually did more than making fun of people and restreaming GSL.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=196316¤tpage=7#139
Why do people only respond to the "racism" and the "restreaming"? (i put quotes around these because he was hardly racist and he barely restreamed) I don't know why everyone keeps ignoring Geoffs OWN comments.
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Actions speak louder than words so I hope you follow through with your new promises.
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Hey in case you haven't already Geoff, I would see what wheat has to say. I think he manages to straddle the line of professionalism while still channeling his awesome personality full force right at us most of the time. And he's had to deal with public opinion flare ups like this in the past too. I would hate to not hear the next Artosis or horse rant on SotG because of this. <3
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On February 26 2011 10:46 Tingles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.
Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere. I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)? Fair point. So basically it's not racist to be intentionally hateful towards a French person, if you are white, literally just because he's French, like in the case of MrBitter's stream. There wasn't hate there, they are obviously friends, so no one even batted an eyelid at that.
I understand where you're coming from, but again, it's not the same. On the hierarchy of racism, it's less effective. Still, it exists though, so there you go.
The point of the joke was never "she's asian, lets laugh at her and her funny accent", it was literally just "her accent is funny".
Say he impersonated her without actually knowing what she looked like ... would that be racist? What if she was white, born in China, learning english again and still had the same accent. Is that racist? I realize that point is semantics, but regardless i suppose it's trying to get across what I'm trying to say.
I could be wrong but i don't' think Geoff ever spoke about her ethnicity, just her accent.
It's pretty simplistic to detach the Asian accent from the Asian image. Again, attacking one's accent is a common weapon in racism.
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