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MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
February 26 2011 02:05 GMT
#261
On February 26 2011 10:46 BasilPesto wrote:
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On February 26 2011 10:39 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:
On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.


Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere.

I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)?

Maybe you could just realize that it's facetious instead... then all problems would be solved.

Nobody's going to get leukemia because Geoff "iNcontrol" Robinson told a racial joke.


Ah, if we only could apply that mindset to racism globally--all our problems would be solved!

If you recognize a joke as a joke then problems get eliminated. If you recognize racism as a joke problems get created.

If everyone worldwide had some critical thinking skills, then many of our problems would be solved. Unfortunately, not everyone does, so posts like yours will continue to be made as long as there are places to make them.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
February 26 2011 02:05 GMT
#262
On February 26 2011 10:54 Gaius Baltar wrote:
Hey in case you haven't already Geoff, I would see what wheat has to say. I think he manages to straddle the line of professionalism while still channeling his awesome personality full force right at us most of the time. And he's had to deal with public opinion flare ups like this in the past too. I would hate to not hear the next Artosis or horse rant on SotG because of this. <3

I agree, djWHEAT is one of the main people I look up to in E-Sports, and so should everyone. They have done so much for e-sports and is a very good role model for anyone who wants to help out e-sports.
Dayvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 02:15:32
February 26 2011 02:06 GMT
#263
Big man, just want to let you know of the confidence I have in your abilities.

If there was something I could have you keep in mind it would be that whenever someone says "InC shouldn't be the face of the NASL...but rather, so and so!" I would want you to remember that the NASL is YOUR idea, YOUR creation, and YOUR success or failure. You are the ONLY person for the job because without you, the initiative to create a Western league as big as the NASL would not exist, and might never exist.

As you go forward with the rest of the NASL team, go knowing that you are not part of the NASL, but the NASL is part of YOU!
ayekuf
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom91 Posts
February 26 2011 02:07 GMT
#264
The sad fact is 99% of the time it's the people complaining about something that have the loudest voice. There are a lot of people who appreciate the way you are because eSports and StarCraft II needs characters to become successful, and you're certainly a character.

You will never be able to please everyone, but just remember, nobody is forced to listen to State of the Game, read your posts or watch your stream. They are making the choice to do so. If they are only doing it to complain and create drama then it is them who have the problem not you.

As for the Kellymilkies thing, that is an issue for you and her and has very little to do with the rest of the community in my opinion. Restreaming GSL was a mistake if you did indeed do that, but you've apologised for that and theres not much else you can do about it at this point.

Carry on the way you are.
www.starcrafthub.net / @starcrafthub - The home of StarCraft II in the UK.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
February 26 2011 02:11 GMT
#265
I agree that it's wrong to restream Gom, which is illegal, and mocking Kelly is not the most high-brow endeavor, but I think your intentions were good. Kelly is a classic case of the emperor has no clothes, and in my mind, it is a noble soul that speaks out when they see something that is wrong. It's even more courageous when that person is a public figure with something to lose.

I think if you could choose a better way to express your dissatisfaction with Kelly, by commentating yourself and massively outshine her (as you already do when you cast) you will more poetically illustrate how much she lacks as a commentator. Keep fighting the good fight, and know that you have many fans, me being one of them.
Tingles
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia225 Posts
February 26 2011 02:20 GMT
#266
On February 26 2011 10:54 BasilPesto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 10:46 Tingles wrote:
On February 26 2011 10:33 BasilPesto wrote:
On February 26 2011 10:22 Tingles wrote:
GTFO with the racist bullcrap.
MrBitter REGULARLY pays out French people with Geoff on his coaching stream. Noooobody says shit, and he is literally making fun of him cause he's French. Joking of course, as they are friends. No harm done.
Geoff regularly pays out Australians with his impersonation which sounds like Russell Crowe from South Park. I don't take offence. And I don't' even know Geoff. I find his caricature of the Australian accent to be hilarious.
Never mind that Geoff and Kelly ARE FRIENDS. Don't call Geoff racist on behalf of Kelly, just cause you find it racist, even though she finds it funny and doesn't take offence.
Lighten the hell up, jesus.


Power relations. Not all forms of racism are equal. An American impersonating an Australian isn't racist, because: 1. They're both assumably Caucasian. 2. Both countries are rooted in the Western sphere.

I can call Geoff racist because he is a media figure, and I am one of his audience. In his position, mocking Kelly's accent has wider reaching effects... this isn't simply Geoff and Kelly in a sealed vacuum. Geoff speaks to me, and to everyone else he listens to. Am I then to turn a blind eye (or ear)?


Fair point.
So basically it's not racist to be intentionally hateful towards a French person, if you are white, literally just because he's French, like in the case of MrBitter's stream. There wasn't hate there, they are obviously friends, so no one even batted an eyelid at that.


I understand where you're coming from, but again, it's not the same. On the hierarchy of racism, it's less effective. Still, it exists though, so there you go.

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The point of the joke was never "she's asian, lets laugh at her and her funny accent", it was literally just "her accent is funny".
Say he impersonated her without actually knowing what she looked like ... would that be racist? What if she was white, born in China, learning english again and still had the same accent. Is that racist? I realize that point is semantics, but regardless i suppose it's trying to get across what I'm trying to say.
I could be wrong but i don't' think Geoff ever spoke about her ethnicity, just her accent.


It's pretty simplistic to detach the Asian accent from the Asian image. Again, attacking one's accent is a common weapon in racism.


Racism is pretty subjective it seems. There's no point arguing opinion on this matter. Someone somewhere is always going to find something offensive.
I haven't found anything Geoff has said to be racist, or offensive, but i am not easily offended, and find the funny side of just about everything.
It is obvious that you did find it offensive. The intention wasn't to be hateful or offensive.
The French are a race, so to be hateful to them because they are French is racist. It's just no one cares because it's literally the same skin colour saying it. I actually find it more backwards and offensive to say it's ok that an American can hate on a Frenchman because they are both white.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
February 26 2011 02:21 GMT
#267
On February 26 2011 08:32 elmizzt wrote:
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On February 26 2011 08:26 Gentleman7 wrote:
Geoff,

I think what kind of hit me (although I haven't been to vocal about in on TL, more on screddit) is that by being the front man of the NASL you had basically bought yourself into the casting scene. The 400k in prize money makes NASL THE tourney, and since you are the caster you are THE caster.

What rubbed me as wrong about this is you had never really played that role before. Sure you had casted the GCPL, but I still saw you as the joker of the community - the troll who was a mod, the guy who did impressions of people and made fun of Artosis (please don't stop doing that btw). And now, suddenly, I wake up and the NASL is here, suddenly the biggest tourney in the NA scene, and your casting it - which bring about a conflict.

You can't be the joker/troll on TL and StotG and the head man of NA eSports at the same time, which means one of those rolls is going to suffer. And that's what's upset me. Clearly you've chosen the NASL (power to you, best of luck, godspeed, etc etc) but I'm going to miss the other have of iNcontroL who was out of control (get it, it's punny).

Anyway, your life, your choice. But you can't have both.

glhf ~

Why can't he do both. Have you seen iNc when he is in his professional roles? He is extremely "professional", for lack of a better word, during public events, and especially in his business ventures like coaching. Many casters play dual roles in front of the official cameras and off of it. For example: day9, jp, wheat, tasteless, artosis.


The face of NASL can't mock Kelly, can't be as offensive on StotG etc. Day9's for of humor, for example, is mostly "positive" or directed at himself or no one in particular. iNcontrol is more direct and goes after people.
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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 02:27:00
February 26 2011 02:24 GMT
#268
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edit2: am I right or am I right?
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
grungust
Profile Joined September 2010
United States325 Posts
February 26 2011 02:24 GMT
#269
On February 26 2011 11:07 ayekuf wrote:
The sad fact is 99% of the time it's the people complaining about something that have the loudest voice. There are a lot of people who appreciate the way you are because eSports and StarCraft II needs characters to become successful, and you're certainly a character.

You will never be able to please everyone, but just remember, nobody is forced to listen to State of the Game, read your posts or watch your stream. They are making the choice to do so. If they are only doing it to complain and create drama then it is them who have the problem not you.

As for the Kellymilkies thing, that is an issue for you and her and has very little to do with the rest of the community in my opinion. Restreaming GSL was a mistake if you did indeed do that, but you've apologised for that and theres not much else you can do about it at this point.

Carry on the way you are.

Carry on doing things like re-streaming the GSL then charging people to watch the NASL? I doubt many people were watching geoff just to find things to accuse him of. Geoffs stream is great when he's playing sc2 but as we all saw, things can get out of hand.
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heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 02:29:33
February 26 2011 02:24 GMT
#270
incontrol:

As a fan. As a fellow e-sports fanatic, and as a student im 100% confident that you are the right man for the job.

Why do I say this?

Because in every lesson we've had (I been student since early beta). You have been on time, professional and incredibly enthusiastic. You love what you are doing and that is a big enough reason to do what you do. Passion is a quality that you cannot teach, and is very hard to find.

With that being said, you are a very funny guy and I hope you don't become something you aren't. You can still make us laugh. I think as long as it is not at the expense of someone else, or at least someone that cares.

You have my full support and best of luck sir!

Heaven-
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 02:26:57
February 26 2011 02:26 GMT
#271
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
February 26 2011 02:27 GMT
#272
We all love 88iNcontrol too much to care. We support you with everything. Or at least I do.
A time to live.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
February 26 2011 02:29 GMT
#273
I don't understand this at all.

A restream isn't some huge issue, as I remember that night being quite stressful on goms servers. It's not an issue of them loosing out on views so much as they couldn't handle all the people wanting to watch. It's not a nice thing to do otherwise and honestly it's like j-walking at that point I don't get why anyone would be upset.

It's okay to be a critic and have an opinion don't change yourself to be what some guys think you should be. You got where you are today by being yourself right? You got to being the head of the North American Star League by being yourself. Remember that. You wouldn't of been made that otherwise. You work hard, you have a good voice and a pretty good personality. Don't let some stumbles alter your viewpoint too much man.

InControl you are a awesome beargamer duder. I for one love having you as you are. ^^ you is awesome yo.
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Stijx
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States804 Posts
February 26 2011 02:35 GMT
#274
I've never posted here before... but I listen to you on SOTG, and I must say I really do appreciate what you're doing for e-sports. I would ignore the people who come out with all the hate, those are the people who would do it regardless of who you are, or what you were doing. Also, respect points for writing this. Good Luck with everything iNcontrol!
t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 03:14:40
February 26 2011 02:42 GMT
#275
I caught this a little late, but for reference the explosion of hate on reddit was cause by the user Huko, because:

Huko [S] 196 points 1 day ago[-]
He asked for a restream on his stream (because hes too famous to watch GomTV second link). His chat lead him to my stream where we happened to be having a debate whether Incontrol should be the face of NASL (Where I think strongly he should not be), he saw this and then banned me on TL permanently. For "Re-streaming GSL and being a huge prick".

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regardless, the situation is what it is, and this apology is indeed the best move incontrol could make after those bad decisions. GL with NASL, this community is counting on you!
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
February 26 2011 02:46 GMT
#276
Great post iNcontrol I'm glad you've realized the gravity that your actions hold...

Looking forward to NASL, and a new era for western ESports. Cheers.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
February 26 2011 02:51 GMT
#277
Now there's a lovely gentleman
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Tatsuyasama
Profile Joined January 2011
Japan50 Posts
February 26 2011 02:52 GMT
#278
your such a hypocrite, first you make fun of other peoples accent (not just kellys, also tlo ect.)
i would understand if you had apologize in the first place, but you kept going on sotg.
its not a matter of your position in this community or responsibilities, its more to show a little decency and respect as a person to other human beings.
acctually i was more shocked to hear, that everyone on the stream lol'ed at your kelly's bashing and incite you to do more.

dont get me wrong i like your humor, but u really lack of manner sometimes.
bcarr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3 Posts
February 26 2011 02:52 GMT
#279
inControl:

You retweeted my message on Twitter regard the whole banning of the random guy for the GSL restreaming. You've more than expressed via Twitter and this post that you're definitely sorry for the remarks and behavior.

Please focus on the NASL and being the stand-up face of the organization that has the most invested in the NA StarCraft 2 scene—I'm sure you'll be successful with it. I never doubted that.

Looking forward to hearing you on State of the Games in the future and after I purchase that premium NASL ticket.
xZiGGY
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom801 Posts
February 26 2011 02:53 GMT
#280
personality is key
Meh.
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