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I've had a lesson with iNcontroL once and nothing made me doubt his professionalism and seriousness. I still believe he is ideal for the figurehead of the NASL, despite recent events. I found it a bit surprising when he said that he really does care what people think about him since he just shrugs off trolls most of the time, and I find that reassuring because if I were in that position it would bug me on some level too.
It's a bit discouraging that people have a hard time differentiating between the professional side and fun, joking side. I sincerely hope, to nearly the point of begging, that iNcontroL remains the exact same, but while exercising a bit more professional discretion (because re-streaming GSL was clearly wrong). State of the Game, of all things, is supposed to be a more laid back, behind scenes forum for pros to discuss the game, and if people find it too controversial or offensive then they really aren't the target demographic anyways.
I hope iNcontroL reads at least some of these posts to know that the community is still behind him, and I suspect by the time that the NASL starts this will be a distant memory in the past.
TL;DR Stay the same iNcontroL, don't ruin SotG, and just show some discretion on serious e-sports issues
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I will always have a soft spot on my heart for you, iNc- even if you do think me sixth sense level retarded...♥ =0)
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To all the people saying "Don't ever change!" I have to just shake my head. Cause he should change. All of this drama, whether with Kelly or TB or the restreaming or whatever comes from him shooting his mouth off and exercising poor judgement just for a cheap laugh or cause he can't find the massive "Go Live" button on the Gom site. He wants to do this thing that's really going to help knit together the Western SC2, but he creates this drama. You can argue about whether people need to be more thick-skinned or whatever (although imo some of his jokes are straight-up racist, and that's not cool) but all you get out that joke is a couple lulz and then this massive pile of drama that doesn't help anybody.
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On February 26 2011 08:09 ImHuko wrote:
You guys should read about what actually happened so you can understand how big this apology is. Mocking kelly was only some of what happened.
Mocking kelly was only part of what happened, but the rest was ridiculous and insignificant to the point that it is ridiculous to have blown up so much. Get off your high horse and turn off the condescending attitude towards Geoff. He has already shown that he is the bigger man in every aspect of the phrase.
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Bah, ignore the peons. You can't please everyone all the time, better to please some of the people most of the time. The personality you have is what got you this far, better to stick with that then be someone you're not for people who will never be happy anyway.
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LOL, cool story bro. Why just not be a complete sarcastic cunt in the first place? Starcraft players and their egos...You've obviously been hanging around Idra too much. Where is day[9] when you need a face for Esports?
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Good to see a bigger and better Incontrol coming out of this. Geoff, you are one of the best and brightest in this community, and i hope that by the end of this, the very best version of you rises to the top.
If we want to be serious about esports, and I believe we do, there's a lot of personal sacrifice that has to go on so the "on screen" or public image is a certain way. It's just showbusiness. thanks for the hard work and look forward to seeing great things from the NASL.
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<3 you InC, keep streaming for us and continue to provide us with your amazing play and oh so melodic metal/taste in music. I love watching you stream to improve my own game play from your own play or your coaching sessions that you broadcast and to watch and enjoy for your love of SC2. Everyone makes mistakes and you are not alone, keep at what you're doing and don't let it get to you.
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so when you insult everyone its fine but when you get a hard time you make a huge blog post and have it spotlighted, this tournie hasn't even started yet, and it's an invitational, doesn't seem like the huuuuuuge deal you make it out to be.
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InControl, honestly you're one of my top 3 favorite community personalities, along with Tyler and Day[9]. The only flaw I see with anything that you need to change personality-wise is not the fact that you make fun of people and criticize them strongly, but the fact that you don't let others do the same without getting angry. Please, do not withdrawal from everything non-NASL related, I really enjoy your stream along with some other things you do.
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On February 26 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:I promise you I will not be boring. I promise this doesn't mean I stop joking around entirely. But what it does mean is I will reduce my community exposure outside of the NASL. That change is up to you the community. I want to hear what people think. I am a cohost of the podcast "State of the Game" and I have a stream on Justin.tv where I joke around a lot. I also post actively on TL and I read all other forums (reddit as well...  )
Dude ... what?!?!
All these things you're already doing got you the NASL job in the first place.
Sure, you've made mistakes, but we all do. Most of them were political. And as you grow and mature as a caster/commentator, you'll learn the fine art of and being the best version of yourself, while learning when and where to pick your battles.
Don't give up anything, man. Your'e great 85-90% of the time. You're a work in progress like everyone else. And don't let people beat up on you too much, including yourself.
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I love your stream and hearing you on SotG Incontrol. However, I have to agree that if you want to be a face of western e-sports growth, you need to have a bit of a filter on the things you say/do. That said, one of my favorite things about e-sports is that everyone feels so accessible and the players feel like real people.
Don't let this happen, Inc:
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Geoff,
I think what kind of hit me (although I haven't been to vocal about in on TL, more on screddit) is that by being the front man of the NASL you had basically bought yourself into the casting scene. The 400k in prize money makes NASL THE tourney, and since you are the caster you are THE caster.
What rubbed me as wrong about this is you had never really played that role before. Sure you had casted the GCPL, but I still saw you as the joker of the community - the troll who was a mod, the guy who did impressions of people and made fun of Artosis (please don't stop doing that btw). And now, suddenly, I wake up and the NASL is here, suddenly the biggest tourney in the NA scene, and your casting it - which bring about a conflict.
You can't be the joker/troll on TL and StotG and the head man of NA eSports at the same time, which means one of those rolls is going to suffer. And that's what's upset me. Clearly you've chosen the NASL (power to you, best of luck, godspeed, etc etc) but I'm going to miss the other have of iNcontroL who was out of control (get it, it's punny).
Anyway, your life, your choice. But you can't have both.
glhf ~
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When you are in charge of NASL, you should indeed behave. Too bad, because you are the most entertaining SC-person at this moment.
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The things you're apologizing for really weren't that bad. (You only restreamed GSL once, without realizing it was illegal, anyway. And as soon as you got the PM from a justin admin, you said "oh, my bad, I won't be doing that again.") And the mocking of kelly seemed to be all in good fun. That doesn't mean they were ok for you to be doing, per se, but I highly doubt anybody was genuinely bothered by any of that. They were just being petty because that's the way people are sometimes.
Nonetheless, you apologizing for them is by no means a mistake. What would be a mistake, in my opinion, is saying "I'm a loose cannon, I've gotta tone it down." Like some others have said, just be yourself. And of course, recognize that there's a time and a place for everything, and when you're talking about NASL or doing casts or what have you, that's the only real time you need to put on your serious face.
What you've been doing up to this point is just fine.
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On February 26 2011 04:59 iNcontroL wrote:
I promise you I will not be boring. I promise this doesn't mean I stop joking around entirely. But what it does mean is I will reduce my community exposure outside of the NASL.
don't do this. you may have made a small mistake, but you learned from it. don't change your persona or exposure, you are good for the community.
just because some 12 year olds on reddit got butt hurt doesnt mean you have to drastically change your involvement
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Just remember that the average person does not pay attention to any drama that you have caused and most likely does not care either. No matter what you say you will offend someone so get used to that. That is the life of a public figure. You have to distance yourself from angry nerd comments and realize that the majority are not angry nerds.
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On February 26 2011 08:26 Gentleman7 wrote:
Geoff,
I think what kind of hit me (although I haven't been to vocal about in on TL, more on screddit) is that by being the front man of the NASL you had basically bought yourself into the casting scene. The 400k in prize money makes NASL THE tourney, and since you are the caster you are THE caster.
What rubbed me as wrong about this is you had never really played that role before. Sure you had casted the GCPL, but I still saw you as the joker of the community - the troll who was a mod, the guy who did impressions of people and made fun of Artosis (please don't stop doing that btw). And now, suddenly, I wake up and the NASL is here, suddenly the biggest tourney in the NA scene, and your casting it - which bring about a conflict.
You can't be the joker/troll on TL and StotG and the head man of NA eSports at the same time, which means one of those rolls is going to suffer. And that's what's upset me. Clearly you've chosen the NASL (power to you, best of luck, godspeed, etc etc) but I'm going to miss the other have of iNcontroL who was out of control (get it, it's punny).
Anyway, your life, your choice. But you can't have both.
glhf ~
Why can't he do both. Have you seen iNc when he is in his professional roles? He is extremely "professional", for lack of a better word, during public events, and especially in his business ventures like coaching. Many casters play dual roles in front of the official cameras and off of it. For example: day9, jp, wheat, tasteless, artosis.
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I'm sending you a PM. I hope you'll read it. :-)
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There's so much love on this thread... it makes me happy because it just shows that INCONTROL'S THE FUCKING MAN!
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