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dr0M
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway4 Posts
February 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#121
People take things way too seriously, 'nuf said.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
February 25 2011 22:13 GMT
#122
I don't think this was called for at all, drama and jokes is a natural part of any gaming community, we do not gather here at TL (or any other sc2 site) to talk about super serious business, we gather here because we share a love for the game and the community. For example, the reason why so many people listen to SOTG every week is not because they want to here what Nony has to say about phoenix/voidray in pvz, it's because of the drama! The reason why the CombatEX vs Chill showmatch is so widely known is not because people wanted to know who the better player were, it was because of the drama and jokes!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 22:16:51
February 25 2011 22:14 GMT
#123
You've got a lot of jobs now: progamer for EG, coach/caster/podcaster for gosucoaching.com, streamer for incontroltv, and caster/figurehead for NASL. Your usual behavior and personality, which I love, is great for everything except your job with the NASL. It's not only "not great" for the NASL -- it's a huge clash. The NASL has been trying to present itself as professional. So much so that, despite having no one who has ever run a major league before, they come out with a bunch of unprecedented rules for player accountability in order to compel their players to act professionally. And then while performing one of his other jobs, the main caster/figurehead of the NASL acts in a way that would presumably earn any NASL player a hefty fine or removal from the league.

So now I think the NASL ought to introduce a buffer between a player's first transgression and any tapping into the $250 deposit. Each player has the option to publicly post a heartfelt apology and promise to act better. The NASL must accept this apology and trust this promise. Only after a second transgression does a player have to face real consequences.

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Yes, I'm joking folks. This was a tribute to classic incontrol -- I had to take a jab. I know you can do your job (all of them) excellently Geoff. GL. Brotosses forever.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
February 25 2011 22:18 GMT
#124
Most of the people here defending him don't know the whole picture. This public response was warranted and well received. Kudos Inc.
kidleader
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Korea (South)233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 22:20:22
February 25 2011 22:19 GMT
#125
I assure you the majority don't judge you for joshing on Kelly. You obviously like her and it was funny, in the same way people like you but make jokes about your origins as a bear-man, like Jinro but call him the Gorilla Terran. If she was offended, of course that's a different matter.

GSL thing is just an error of judgement, no biggie.

At the end of the day, I don't want ESPN, and I think that's true for a lot of eSports fans. There's nothing worse than the clinical, asinine sports TV in the mainstream. Keep it real
Tokyo Seoul London New York \\ SlayerS, KT
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 22:20:41
February 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#126
Bah, this entire thing was blown so far out of proportion, the only reason it did is because of the ridiculous sensationalism that goes over on at Reddit, there were almost 4000 listening into that 'restream', no one even made post on TL about it, but two days later, apparently iNcontroL is killing western e-sports!

Sad to see it come to this, props for actually taking the high road here and apologizing, completely with matbob though, dick move by Huko for doing what he did the way he did it, seems like the high road for him is a road less traveled.

GL with NASL, hope your stream doesn't completely change because of this.
leonardus
Profile Joined December 2008
59 Posts
February 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#127
You are well known as a master of trolling, why to change something that a lot of people loved?
Also, I was watching live the gsl moment and it was really funny, more fun than the original stream with tasteless and milkies, if that it;s illegal and can not be replayed than I am sad.
Stranger in a strange land
badDogma
Profile Joined August 2010
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 22:25:43
February 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#128
Don't worry guys, I'm sure incontrol will keep his brand of sarcastic humor without alienating people/groups of people. Now that he is focused 100% on starcraft and nasl this announcement/apology can only mean good things for the future.

This is the reality of SC2, it's driven by the internet. Instead of media moguls locked away in their ivory towers we have community people interacting with fans to make the best possible experience for everyone. Obviously there are some kinks to work out, but I do believe incontrol is a fast learner and he'll try his best to make this work.

As for me, I can't wait to watch some nasl games, and I would hate to watch a nasl game only to hear him making snarky replies about haters or ragging on popular SC2 community people.

edit: the reddit hate is a little senseless. They don't have the luxury of TL-style bannings and it's a large community designed so popular opinions will rise to the top. I'm sure if TL didn't have around the clock mods the forums would be filled with incontrol drama here too. It'll blow over in a few days, and there will be new stuff to talk about.
A genius cannot defeat someone who works hard. Someone who works hard cannot defeat someone who enjoys their work. -- Rain
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 22:24:23
February 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#129
It's hard to think of anyone that has been more involved in the community over the years and is better fit to take the role you're taking on right now, which is an important one indeed. I haven't always been cheering for incontrol the player however I will always cheer for you as a person in all of your endeavors and I wholeheartedly hope you and NASL will enjoy a lot of success in the future.

Having that said, you're a guy with opinions who's never been afraid to speak his mind and that's bound to spark a lot of rage. People on the internet can be sensitive as hell and will take any excuse to lash out against someone they don't happen to like. I don't think this is cause for you to change at all. Just be the guy you've been over the last decade and things are going to work out great.

Btw it's so fucking comforting knowing people like incontrol and gretorp are part of the decision making in a huuuge tournament like this. You just know there are going to be less fuck ups and problems when real pro's are in charge from the beginning.
everyday847
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14 Posts
February 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#130
On February 26 2011 07:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
So now I think the NASL ought to introduce a buffer between a player's first transgression and any tapping into the $250 deposit. Each player has the option to publicly post a heartfelt apology and promise to act better. The NASL must accept this apology and trust this promise. Only after a second transgression does a player have to face real consequences.


This is a solid idea independent of anything iNcontroL did. While the accountability measures proposed do strike a nice balance, far less harsh than "if you use chat in game except to say gg you lose," having a buffer is simply more fair: in particular, since the intricacies of these rules--however easy it might be to summarize them as "just don't be a dick"--aren't going to be second nature to the participants at first, there are going to be some first time transgressions that were only barely intentional.
MapleFractal
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 22:24:36
February 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#131
Man. I'm kinda upset that its really come to this, the man apologized. He is only a human being, we make mistakes. The fact that he is becoming one of the most prominent faces of Starcraft2, even E-Sports as a whole is rubbing some the wrong way is tough shit! Grow up children, the world is not a happy go-lucky place where everyone agrees, holds hands and sings kumbai-ah while nerds happily macro on SC2.

I personally think its refreshing to have a caster who ACTUALLY KNOWS THE GAME, all this ridiculous flaming and bullshit about TB and a simple mistake with a restream is just nonsense. To say you wont support the NASL because of some drama that was a simple miss-communication to start with and has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU WHAT SO EVER, is bad for the community as a whole. Being a the guy that says "Well ill just restream NASL now cause of iNc blahblahablah" just makes you a douche-bag, and if E-sports does not succeed in NA/EU you'll know you were a part of the reason. So just stop the hate and realize what a big deal this whole thing is.

Geoff, I love all the content you release into the community and the impact that you have on TL and SC2 is very real. Evidence of this is everywhere lol look at all the people talking about you! Just remember the vocal minority will always be louder then the quiet majority. Your casting with Gretorp will get better I'm sure as you guys both get comfortable with one another. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DONT CHANGE ON SoTG!! Seriously having you be the "Bill Mayer" on that show is such a refreshing aspect of the podcast. I always look forward to them and even stay up to catch them live now. I could probably say that I look forward to the cast each week more then any TV show or Hockey game (well maybe not every hockey game....)

You did ask for constructive criticism too! lol iNc buddy if your gonna be on TV do yourself up a bit man! lol some hair gel, and a jacket would have made you look like one sharp mofo. Look at your homeboys Tastosis. Those gentlemen always try to look awesome on air, I'm sure you and Andre can easily do that. Don't worry to much about haters man, your doing a lot of good for the community.

EDIT: TROLOLOL nony you actually had me for a second LOL thanks man
its called a Tuque damnit!
orion27
Profile Joined June 2010
United States44 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 22:25:44
February 25 2011 22:23 GMT
#132
Just wanted to say that you do so much for the community iNcontroL, it's truly amazing. Sadly, being in the "spotlight" yields a weird amount of negative feedback first instead of positive (and constructive) feedback.

I hope the NASL shows your true nature in your dealings with sc2. Hopefully it's positive since you, along with so many others, do so much for this community, above and beyond the average sc2 player. Good luck.
Streets Ahead
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
February 25 2011 22:25 GMT
#133
The only bad thing you did was restreaming GSL, the rest all seemed to be in keeping with your "poke fun at everything" attitude. I mean fuck you've jested about Europeans since the dawn of time but suddenly you make fun of Kelly's accent and its WWIII.

I'm sure this is mostly a case of vocal minority rather than something more sinister.
PaPoolee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands660 Posts
February 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#134
You were only joking around, and whoever took it seriously and got actually upset about it is wrong! keep up the great work Geoff, I'm sure you are going to make an excellent caster and representer of NASL! also much respect for making this blog!.
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
February 25 2011 22:28 GMT
#135
I'm glad you're taking this very seriously, but I fear you may lose yourself in the process. I've loved listening to you. You're a hilarious guy. Don't lose that entirely to appease the very vocal minority who thrive on hate.
Dubes
Profile Joined August 2010
United States327 Posts
February 25 2011 22:28 GMT
#136
Please Geoff, don't let us down. A lot of us have been waiting YEARS for this to come along. Even the haters know this is a huge step forward for western E-Sports, so please, PLEASE don't let us down. You've taken the initiative, now it's time to take the responsibility that comes with such a monstrous task. A nation of nerds are behind you on this, make us proud!
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
February 25 2011 22:30 GMT
#137
On February 26 2011 07:28 Rokk wrote:
I'm glad you're taking this very seriously, but I fear you may lose yourself in the process. I've loved listening to you. You're a hilarious guy. Don't lose that entirely to appease the very vocal minority who thrive on hate.

To be honest I don't think he could even if he tried. Try to imagine an extremely serious unfunny incontrol. Can you? Makes my brain hurt.
Howl67
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
February 25 2011 22:31 GMT
#138
I agree that it's probably not a good idea for someone in your position to re-stream the GSL or whatever it was happened, but other than that, people need to lighten up, and I don't see the need to try and alter your personality or anything just because you're going to be somewhat of a figurehead of the NASL. You got to your current position by being the way you are, exactly the way you are. Not by being somebody else more "politically correct" or whatever you want to call it. So other than the little GSL mishap, please don't change a single other thing in the slightest. Otherwise you're doing somewhat of a disservice to yourself, and all of the people that have supported you being you and enjoyed listening to you be yourself.

Not trying to be dramatic or something, but people seriously just need to lighten up.
Creep
Profile Joined September 2010
United States229 Posts
February 25 2011 22:32 GMT
#139
On February 26 2011 06:53 Djagulingu wrote:
GSL Restreaming was good, Kelly imitation was better. I don't know why people are going over Geoff for this. Stop this hatin. He's better than all of his haters combined. Make a room for the big dawg.


Well, he did other things.

One being asking for a restream of GSL and defending it with the fact he couldn't find the big GO LIVE button at the top of the GOM website.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195486&currentpage=46#907


When he has said he does in fact have a GOM account and has used it before, he somehow didn't also see the big Standard Quality button next to the High Quality button, both being the same size and literally next to each other.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195486&currentpage=52#1024


Which he apologized for in the same post he said he couldn't find the Go Live button. He didn't apologize for this in this blog thread though, so most people might not have seen it because they didn't want to walk through the broken glass flooring that was the other thread.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195486&currentpage=46#907


The other being he stayed in Huko's restream for a good hour and banned Huko on TL for mostly personal reasons.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195486&currentpage=46#910


Which he apologized for, not in this blog post but in this post.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195486&currentpage=46#920


Or being condescending while being a mod, calling someone a "random gaming forum poster" instead of just temp banning for back talking a mod. Calling someone a "random gaming forum poster" on a website you mod kinda makes it looks like you feel superior to everyone that doesn't have mod status...right or not, this wasn't very professional.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195486&currentpage=30#594


Which I don't think he apologized for, but I'm sure he is sorry.
Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
February 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#140
On February 26 2011 07:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Yes, I'm joking folks. This was a tribute to classic incontrol -- I had to take a jab. I know you can do your job (all of them) excellently Geoff. GL. Brotosses forever.


On February 15 2011 05:37 Liquid`Tyler (in a different blog post) wrote:
BABY YOU'RE A FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIREWORK
COME ON LET YOUR COOOOOOOOLORS BURST


I think those two quotes pretty much sum up everything that needs to be said in this thread.
The Innocent shall suffer... big time.
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