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On February 26 2011 06:41 WTL wrote:
How about the fact that we hold that website in a high regard when every time a TL thread pops up an overwhelming amount of reddit users just make fun of it?
Maybe you should read the comments? Namely the top rated one?
To be fair, the upvote/downvote score on the thread is of far more importance than the comment ratings. Highly upvoted comments in buried threads are still seldom seen, and they are buried for a reason.
With that said, the fact that some people - even if it is the majority of people, which I doubt - dislike TL on reddit is no reason to dismiss the site. It doesn't mean that there are no redditors who respect TL, or that all of reddit's content is useless. Reddit and TL are two overlapping communities which fulfil somewhat different roles. TL is a highly moderated, highly focused discussion forum, which has many merits, which reddit is a user-sourced and prioritised content sharing and discussion forum, which also has many merits. This antagonism serves no-one, but unfortunately seems to stem from misunderstanding about the goals and operating procedure of each community.
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On February 26 2011 06:32 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Glad to see the growth ^^
from a player....to a giant
And from a giant...to a bear.
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GSL Restreaming was good, Kelly imitation was better. I don't know why people are going over Geoff for this. Stop this hatin. He's better than all of his haters combined. Make a room for the big dawg.
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Russian Federation19 Posts
People just need something to buzz about. That doesn't mean that crossing the line every now and then is fine. Public apology is a good move. Even if (seriously doubt that though) NASL will not be a huge success, iNcontrol won't be the one to blame because of this whole thing.
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don't apologize. if people are going to get up in arms over silly things like making fun of people's accents, then that's their loss. you are hilarious. there isn't a single time ive listened to SotG or your stream where you haven't made me lol. Don't step on eggshells for anyone, just be who you are, cuz frankly, you are awesome! that is all.
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Peoples arguments against you or against the NASL over the last few days have been poor and pathetic. Any small, meaningless garbage is now blown out of proportion due to the fabled saying "face of the future of esports in the west". Unfortunately not one of the masterminds that say this stuff have a damn clue what they are actually talking about.
I've been on Reddit getting downvoted to oblivion defending iNcontroL and the NASL the whole week cus I don't even get why people are complaining so much. Keep up the good work.
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Please don't change to be more serious! You're the best when you're being who you are! If you're acting as a spokesman for the NASL in an official capacity I can understand the need to be professional, but please never stop being awesome on SOTG and your Stream and everything else!! The amount of hate over NASL and yourself is simply absurd, and you shouldn't let it affect you at all. Apologizing for a few (small) publicity mistakes are the most ANYONE should expect from you.
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I didn't know much about the situation. But as a soon to be even bigger representative you should not have restreamed GSL. It just doesn't fit with the role you've put yourself into. However it is brave of you to say sorry and admit your mistake.
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Don't change too much. We don't want you to be the Blatter of ESPORTS. Not everything that tradiotional commercialized 'viewer' sports have to offer is something we want.
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Ok this is derailing into a reddit v. tl competition. The guy asked what he can do to improve. The only thing I can think of is to just be a bit more careful when doing/saying things.
1. The streaming/banning issues are moot at this point and you know what's up in regards to that.
2. Poking fun at other people/casters/players. Personally, I don't give a flying fuck if you're the head of the GSL or WCG; that stuff doesn't bother me. I love hearing friendly pokes at other players. And yes, I interpret most of your jokes as friendly pokes. But apparently many people, the ones that these pokes are not even directed at, take offense to it. To me there is a clash: people's need to grow some god damn thick skin vs. some of your comments being a bit over the top.
It's a tough line to walk, but I have faith you will figure out which ones cross over the line. It will just take some time.
Other than that, GL dude. All of this will easily be forgotten come next week!
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On February 26 2011 06:43 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 06:33 ImHuko wrote:
When I made a response to you while banned, this is exactly what I wanted to let you know how I feel. I didn't intend for this to turn into the shitstorm that it did, but I felt I was being ignored, and then banned, so reddit was my only hope.
After reading this, I have to say that I am a iNcontrol fan again, glad you are taking steps in the right direction to make this as awesome as everyone wants it to be! (This might have been better in a PM, but I figured since it was a blog) You framed it in the exact worst way possible. There is no way you could have phrased your reddit submission and your comments that would have caused more damage to the public perception of the NASL. You made it quite clear that you thought Incontrol was an irredeemable douchebag and shouldn't be associated with something like the NASL. Show nested quote +It is obvious Incontrol didn't read a fucking thing anyone said. Another reason why he shouldn't be the face of one of the leading movements in E-Sports. Now he says some random fan pleasing bullshit that I can't respond to because I am banned. Show nested quote +I want sponsors to think of fucking Day9 when they want to sponsor a huge E-Sport, not a guy who portrays himself as one of the biggest douche bags in the community. So, I'm not going to say that you should apologize yourself or anything, but honestly you shouldn't be making excuses for what you did.
I can't help that every somewhat respectable post was trolled or ignored. I'd rather not help you derail this though<3
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the weirdest thing to me is that it seems like a LOT of people are so anxious to attack the first negative thing they see in this nasl thing. everything has kinks, they are aware of it. everyone makes mistakes, incontrol knows that and is going to fix it. the way people just relentlessly throw the hate around is despicable though. some criticism is good yes but there are limits of course. everyone should be doing their best to support the league and not bring it down by attacking its every setback and flaw.
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Here's what you do, you stop giving a shit about every little whiney kid in his basement like you always do and supply us with an awesome, fair and epic league that lives up to your hype. I think for the people who are at least out of primary school all of this "drama" is no issue. No one has even seen the NASL and they are already complaining, if this isn't reason enough to not give a shit i dont know what is. Now get back to hair whipping.
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InControl.
I was a critic of you, I will not lie. But your statement here hit the tone and I fully agree with everything you said.
I would like anyone that doesn't think InControl should change his public attitude or behavior to look at the classic old day 9 commentary. Day 9 doesn't act like this anymore, and while I admit it is a fun blast from the past and we think we'd all like him to seem like this all the time, the truth is that his cleaner public persona is much more palatable over long periods and much better for eSports.
So, InControl. Thanks for you humility and understanding. You put yourself out there publicly and had to unfortunately take a few lumps from a bunch of anonymous people behind screens. You have taken it like a man though and I think a large majority of us that were doubters are looking forward to your incredible commitment and investment into NASL.
Good luck, man.
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Bah,
Don't change. Don't think that being part of something big means that you have to subscribe to some misunderstood standard of professionalism. It doesn't mean anything.
You're obviously a very passionate guy and it's normal for passionate people to do things without really thinking it through. Don't change that. If people are going to commend you for the excitement you bring to the whole gaming thing in one breath, they can't turn around and complain about some missteps in the next breath. It all comes from the same source.
This kind of stuff is so annoying. It's like calling a press-conference or checking into rehab because you (god forbid) had too much to drink and someone caught it on camera.
You're like the Don Cherry of StarCraft, albeit not yet quite as senile. I'm sour on Cherry but he brings a lot of attention to hockey and he's the kind of personality that transcends the blandness of the norm and gets people talking about stuff - even if it's just to bitch about him.
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On February 26 2011 06:53 Djagulingu wrote:
GSL Restreaming was good, Kelly imitation was better. I don't know why people are going over Geoff for this. Stop this hatin. He's better than all of his haters combined. Make a room for the big dawg.
You know that geoff banned people who restreamed gsl or mocked Kelly? Think before you write something.
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<3 iNc.
Seriously I think this could be good change of pace for you, but overall I wouldnt worry too much about everything. You'll be doing awesome and you will be appreciated by many 
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I have not been an active member of this community, but while I have I found you to be a very respectable persona that excel as being the face of nasl. Even before I was an active member I had heard a lot about you and had gained respect for you via them. As I try to integrate myself into the community that respect has grown ten fold and I wish you the best of luck. Although the gal stream is significant, I believe you have been very professional and honest in your apology. Keep up the amazing work.
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and when you smile
the whole world stops and stares for awhile
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